Game 75: Columbus at Nashville | 3/26 8PM EDT

Dr. Fire

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Sabres beat Wpg, Chi beat Calgary and Edmonton lost to LA.

My Blues continued their shut-out streak against the Caps in Washington. Sadly, I am paying way more attention to them now then I am the CBJ.
 
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Dubinsky was asked if he felt badly for Jones: "Absolutely. We owed it to him to have a good game. Anytime you come back to your old team -- obviously, I've been there -- you want to play well, and your teammates owe it to you to play well. God, nobody played well tonight, except for Korpi and maybe Boone in spurts. Not even close."


Ever notice that it's always Dubinsky giving interviews after disappointing big games ? Team comes out sleepwalking, when it was made known they wanted to play big for Seth . Now that I think about it, it's usually Dubinsky always speaking for the team . Does foligno duck the media ? Or does the media just not care to hear from the captain on why they laid an egg, on a game that was circled on the calendar. Personally , I think his appointment to the captaincy was a big divide in the room , and I hope he's the first guy we ship out this offseason . He has been invisible nearly all season. Go back and watch some of our old games . Win or lose, it's always Dubinsky , the last one off the ice , acknowledging the effort of the players . Torts gave a 20 second press conference last night :laugh:
 

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Dubinsky was asked if he felt badly for Jones: "Absolutely. We owed it to him to have a good game. Anytime you come back to your old team -- obviously, I've been there -- you want to play well, and your teammates owe it to you to play well. God, nobody played well tonight, except for Korpi and maybe Boone in spurts. Not even close."


Ever notice that it's always Dubinsky giving interviews after disappointing big games ? Team comes out sleepwalking, when it was made known they wanted to play big for Seth . Now that I think about it, it's usually Dubinsky always speaking for the team . Does foligno duck the media ? Or does the media just not care to hear from the captain on why they laid an egg, on a game that was circled on the calendar. Personally , I think his appointment to the captaincy was a big divide in the room , and I hope he's the first guy we ship out this offseason . He has been invisible nearly all season. Go back and watch some of our old games . Win or lose, it's always Dubinsky , the last one off the ice , acknowledging the effort of the players . Torts gave a 20 second press conference last night :laugh:

I notice this too and just wonder if Dubie gives the better soundbite.
 

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Personally , I think his appointment to the captaincy was a big divide in the room , and I hope he's the first guy we ship out this offseason . He has been invisible nearly all season. Go back and watch some of our old games . Win or lose, it's always Dubinsky , the last one off the ice , acknowledging the effort of the players . Torts gave a 20 second press conference last night :laugh:

I knew he'd never repeat a season like last year, but Foligno has me fairly worried that we've paid big money for somebody who's looked like a poor man's RJ Umberger.

I know stats aren't everything, but Foligno goes 5-6 games without being remotely noticeable.
 

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I knew he'd never repeat a season like last year, but Foligno has me fairly worried that we've paid big money for somebody who's looked like a poor man's RJ Umberger.

I know stats aren't everything, but Foligno goes 5-6 games without being remotely noticeable.

I don't know if this is just hyperbole or you actually believe what you just said.

We've had games this year where Foligno has played great, and got on the scoresheet, and posters still say "is he even playing?"

I think we've got some kind of vortex here. I notice the guy every game. (I actually notice everyone every game, which is why the question "is player x even playing" is so weird to me, but Foligno is usual more noticeable, often making good plays out of scratch).

He's become a scapegoat. Last night was bad for them both, but Dubi's line got absolutely killed.Yet you won't hear a peep about it. And that's fine, Dubi is a great player, but there is a double standard here.

And can we not try to infer locker room dynamics based on who Porty quotes after a game? That's terrible reasoning.
 

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I don't know if this is just hyperbole or you actually believe what you just said.

We've had games this year where Foligno has played great, and got on the scoresheet, and posters still say "is he even playing?"

I think we've got some kind of vortex here. I notice the guy every game. (I actually notice everyone every game, which is why the question "is player x even playing" is so weird to me, but Foligno is usual more noticeable, often making good plays out of scratch).

He's become a scapegoat. Last night was bad for them both, but Dubi's line got absolutely killed.Yet you won't hear a peep about it. And that's fine, Dubi is a great player, but there is a double standard here.

And can we not try to infer locker room dynamics based on who Porty quotes after a game? That's terrible reasoning.
In that case, he's perfectly poised to be the next Umberger, because that's what happened to Umby long before he actually regressed - he went from Glorious Savior, The Guy Who Should Be Captain, and Beloved MVP to perpetual whipping boy. Because that's what folks around here do with their heroes - they devour them alive, because you only get to be a hero if you turn out to be the One True Savior that everyone keeps denying they want but they wait for all the same.

Seriously. We had three All-Stars last year - Foligno. Johansen. Bobrovsky.
What's the board's reaction to any of those names right now?

If Dubinsky does get named Captain, I give it about, oh, two months before he gains whipping boy status. And Jones is almost certainly doomed to be in that state before December.
 

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I don't know if this is just hyperbole or you actually believe what you just said.

We've had games this year where Foligno has played great, and got on the scoresheet, and posters still say "is he even playing?"

I think we've got some kind of vortex here. I notice the guy every game. (I actually notice everyone every game, which is why the question "is player x even playing" is so weird to me, but Foligno is usual more noticeable, often making good plays out of scratch).

He's become a scapegoat. Last night was bad for them both, but Dubi's line got absolutely killed.Yet you won't hear a peep about it. And that's fine, Dubi is a great player, but there is a double standard here.

And can we not try to infer locker room dynamics based on who Porty quotes after a game? That's terrible reasoning.

No hyperbole.

Given last season's over achievement, a step or two back was inevitable. And the Johansen trade probably can explain another step back.

Not noticeable isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's not acceptable from a guy who was expected to be the focal point of the offense. Some of that is Jarmo's fault for putting him in that situation, but I still can't help but be disappointed.

Dubinsky's been disappointing as well. Pretty much all of our veterans have been.

And agreed on the captaincy thing. I'd have hoped, given the predicted boost that the fanbase predicted naming a captain would bring didn't come close to materializing, the fanbase would cool it on the leadership/chemistry crap. That didn't happen.
 

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Dubinsky has not been disappointing. In the two month stretch from Jan 8th to Mar 8th, when Dubinsky was our #1 Center between Atkinson and Jenner (Torts has since demoted him, inexplicably (tanking?)), Dubinsky had 21 pts in 26 games. In other words, he was a solid #1 Center, the first time we had one all year. You would think this achievement would draw notice from the fans, but instead he is still considered disappointing. Dubinsky is doing his thing, winning the vast majority of his puck battles, and unlike Foligno has been a serious presence all year.

Foligno had 18 pts in 19 games prior to his concussion. He was playing great, and people were still asking "Is he playing?", which should be all the evidence you need that certain posters speak from their id, not their brain. I think this is where Viqsi is onto something. There seems to be some kind of apotheotic expectation at work.
(Though I don't know how Johansen's antics are excused in any professional setting, I'm only here to defend players who play well and don't get credit.)

Since Foligno's concussion he's been okay all-around, but certainly not an effective scorer - one lucky hat trick and not much more. If not for that concussion we could be looking at a 50 pt or so season for him, which is fully in line with the 55 pt expectations that you would get from his abilities and his contract. (Though not in line, of course, with the one-true savior expectations). I don't know why anyone thinks Foligno is "expected to be the focal point of the offense". Before the year started, even with our rose-colored glasses on, we were all expecting his offense to regress, and so was Jarmo or he would have paid him more than second-tier money.
 

Dr. Fire

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I don't think Dubi was demoted for any reason, other then Torts is looking to next season. He is looking at combo's, young guys, chemistry, etc to figure out what he has, and how he is going to start putting things together for the 16-17 season.
 

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Not a popular opinion but look for options to trade Foligno could work too. Maybe to a team like NJD. If we get let's say 8-11 pick would you package it with Clarkson for like a 2nd?

If you were a GM of any team in the NHL, would you take on Clarkson's hit of $5.25M for the next four years in return for a first and second round pick?
 

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I don't know if this is just hyperbole or you actually believe what you just said.

We've had games this year where Foligno has played great, and got on the scoresheet, and posters still say "is he even playing?"

I think we've got some kind of vortex here. I notice the guy every game. (I actually notice everyone every game, which is why the question "is player x even playing" is so weird to me, but Foligno is usual more noticeable, often making good plays out of scratch).

He's become a scapegoat.
Last night was bad for them both, but Dubi's line got absolutely killed.Yet you won't hear a peep about it. And that's fine, Dubi is a great player, but there is a double standard here.

And can we not try to infer locker room dynamics based on who Porty quotes after a game? That's terrible reasoning.


He's got goals in one out of his last 27 games (a hat trick vs. NJ on Feb 25). That's one third of a season and he went goal less in 96.3% of them. He's scored goals in 2 of his last 31 games dating back to Dec 17th. He didn't score a goal in January. He'll probably be shut out in March as well. That's pathetic or brutal or ghastly or however else one would like to describe it.

5 more years at $5.5 million per year. He'll be 29 starting next season-an age where many players of his style and build start to decline. Great contract, Jarmo:shakehead

Nick Folgino has been scoring goals at a rate over the last 3 months that a healthy David Clarkson with similar ice time would likely eclipse. It had best be due to concussion-related issues or the next 5 years are going to be brutal with him.

Yeah. A real scapegoat:laugh: Dubi as "great player" is an absurd statement as well. Keep defending this team as they slide to the bottom of the standings.
 
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Dednimnepo

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I see the CBJ cannibal fans are in full bib and butter knives. Chew each other up. Chew up the team.

This season can't end soon enough.
 

CBJWerenski8

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Lol.. No way. Been thinking about Ryjo way too much in the last month or so?

Nope. But the fact you brought him up must mean you have.

Ryan johansen has no impact on my outlook on Seth jones. None. I said jones has struggled the past month or so, hell even he said so and torts said so.
 

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Nope. But the fact you brought him up must mean you have.

Ryan johansen has no impact on my outlook on Seth jones. None. I said jones has struggled the past month or so, hell even he said so and torts said so.

Stats say otherwise. And your Johansen posts give me all the proof I need that you've been following him closely.
 

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Stats say otherwise. And your Johansen posts give me all the proof I need that you've been following him closely.

What stats? His TOI? He's put up decent points, but his overall game has fallen since when he first got here.

I have followed Joey since the trade. I've tried to watch as many Nashville games as I could. What's that have to do with Seth jones? I like Jones (still wouldn't do the trade), and I also like Joey. That doesn't mean I can't judge a player without bias
 

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I see the CBJ cannibal fans are in full bib and butter knives. Chew each other up. Chew up the team.

This season can't end soon enough.

You must be new, this is just starting. And its going to make for one long ass offseason.


I, for one, am going to attempt to make my summer as eventful as possible to stay away from here.. :laugh:
 

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He's got goals in one out of his last 27 games (a hat trick vs. NJ on Feb 25). That's one third of a season and he went goal less in 96.3% of them. He's scored goals in 2 of his last 31 games dating back to Dec 17th. He didn't score a goal in January. He'll probably be shut out in March as well. That's pathetic or brutal or ghastly or however else one would like to describe it.

5 more years at $5.5 million per year. He'll be 29 starting next season-an age where many players of his style and build start to decline. Great contract, Jarmo:shakehead

Nick Folgino has been scoring goals at a rate over the last 3 months that a healthy David Clarkson with similar ice time would likely eclipse. It had best be due to concussion-related issues or the next 5 years are going to be brutal with him.

Yeah. A real scapegoat:laugh: Dubi as "great player" is an absurd statement as well. Keep defending this team as they slide to the bottom of the standings.

Dubi is a great player, imo. Debatable perhaps, but not absurd. And Nicks production post-concussion has been awful, I've never asserted otherwise.
Somehow your conflating defending a couple players with defending the team. What do those things have to do with each other? Why must I abuse every player?

There is a lot of parity in the league. If a few players come up short, that's the difference between 30 wins and 40, or the difference between 15th and 29th in the league. If every player is awful, as many here seem to think, you don't win at all.
 

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I see the CBJ cannibal fans are in full bib and butter knives. Chew each other up. Chew up the team.

Good morrow, gents.

Why are our bodies soft and weak and smooth, unapt to toil and trouble in the world. But that our soft conditions, and our hearts, should well agree with our external parts?

God give you goodnight.
 

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What stats? His TOI? He's put up decent points, but his overall game has fallen since when he first got here.

I have followed Joey since the trade. I've tried to watch as many Nashville games as I could. What's that have to do with Seth jones? I like Jones (still wouldn't do the trade), and I also like Joey. That doesn't mean I can't judge a player without bias

Overall game has fallen? Are you sure you're not getting players confused? And, what are you - an NHL scout? Cmon dude...
 

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