Post-Game Talk: Game #74 - Deja Vu All Over Again - Tampa Bay 6 BRUINS 3 F

Mione134

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Here's a photo that matches this disaster:

the-phantom-menace.jpg

:laugh:

Damn. You pulled the Jar-Jar card on us. That's how you know it's bad
 

Absurdity

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Disagree. Great Head of Player Development or Head of Amateur Scouting but has shown little to no ability to be a General Manager at the NHL level.

This was his shot. He once again gambled on patchwork and avoiding addressing the current teams needs in lieu of his 2018-2019 plan.
I mentioned it wouldn't be fair because most GMs are given 3 years before their future as a GM is decided.

Even if the Bruins added a player like Landeskog, at the price of prospects and picks, it would have been a horrible move given what this team ultimately is, a middling team.

Adding any significant talent would have been detrimental to this team's future. The problem is with the core of this team. I brought it up as a possibility when I made the, "What is the cause of the Bruins' mediocrity" thread halfway into the season. The two constants that last three years have been the core of this team and Claude. Claude is gone, which in my opinion was the right move. The constant right now is the core of this team.

This team has talent. Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Backes, and Pastrnak are all top 6 players. The question people need to be asking is if this is the RIGHT talent and core for this team. Krejci is not a player who can drive his line on his own. He needs two top 6 wingers to play with to be a factor game in and game out. Backes is being utilized as a winger which still makes no sense. If management brought in Backes, who has been a selke-candidate center in St. Louis, to mainly play RW, that was 100% the wrong move.

Does the team lack additional talent? Yes. But when the core on this team still doesn't give a **** for three years now, how does wasting pieces that will contribute in the future solve anything?
 

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I didn't say anything at the time, but I felt that starting Rask on consecutive nights was a mistake. Now he is tired, with the REAL must win games coming up. A tired Tuuka is a below average goalie.

If i was Cassidy he'd be resting for the next 2 games minimum
 

Estlin

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Krejci
Backes
Vatrano
Spooner
Beleskey
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Nash
Kevan Miller
Colin Miller
Chara
Krug
McQuaid
Rask

Should all be replaced because they don't care.

All players on the roster should be fair game except for Bergeron, Marchand, Carlo and Pastrnak.
 

TaroTsujimoto

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Listening to the players talk, they seem to have a "We can't lose this" mentality. Which is exactly the type of mentality that leads to choking.

I didn't watch the game - decided beforehand that I would check the score afterwards to avoid unnecessary stress. But I'm guessing that this was the first game this season where we actually choked. (Against Toronto we lost to a better team, and against Ottawa we ran up against a hot goalie). I hope they can get it together. I do believe Toronto will finish ahead of us, but we do still have a real chance to beat out the Isles.
 

cat400

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During Tim Thomas' fine years with the Bruins he showed a tendency to wear down after a stretch of 4- 5 games and would bounce back after sitting out one or two. Rask provided the capable back up.

Rask has shown over the last couple of years that he can't handle the condensed load and still play at an elite level which is required on most nights playing behind the defense of the last two seasons.

Khudobin upon his recall had played quite well yet, during the most critical week of the year, Cassidy reverted to Julien's panic mode of riding Rask all the way.
 

Aeroforce

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Not that the team doesn't have holes besides Rask, but great goaltending would mask those problems; and he's just not providing it.

Are we expecting too much wanting that, given his salary? I don't think so.

I feel for the ticket-buying customers and STH's that are paying for this again.
 

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The problem with Krecji is he really doesn't care. He's here to collect a paycheque then go home for the next 4 months. He doesn't want to play 2 more months of hockey. Have you seen him play lately? When was the last time he actually hit somebody. He skates around the ice like he's figure skating instead of playing like a $7.5 mil hockey player. I'm tired of watching this guy - get rid of him but nobody wants him.
 

rsnook

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There are no excuses! Don Sweany and Cam Neely have give away the shop. They have squandered many Boston assests and prospects. I have been saying it for two years now, these guys need to go! The front office leadership is lacking. I will celebrate when these guys go. Neely was a player not a team president or office personnel, maybe office janitor. Just also look at the drafting. Horrible! If you could not see this coming then you lack insight, brains, vision and even eyes!
 

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I mentioned it wouldn't be fair because most GMs are given 3 years before their future as a GM is decided.

Even if the Bruins added a player like Landeskog, at the price of prospects and picks, it would have been a horrible move given what this team ultimately is, a middling team.

Adding any significant talent would have been detrimental to this team's future. The problem is with the core of this team. I brought it up as a possibility when I made the, "What is the cause of the Bruins' mediocrity" thread halfway into the season. The two constants that last three years have been the core of this team and Claude. Claude is gone, which in my opinion was the right move. The constant right now is the core of this team.

This team has talent. Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Backes, and Pastrnak are all top 6 players. The question people need to be asking is if this is the RIGHT talent and core for this team. Krejci is not a player who can drive his line on his own. He needs two top 6 wingers to play with to be a factor game in and game out. Backes is being utilized as a winger which still makes no sense. If management brought in Backes, who has been a selke-candidate center in St. Louis, to mainly play RW, that was 100% the wrong move.

Does the team lack additional talent? Yes. But when the core on this team still doesn't give a **** for three years now, how does wasting pieces that will contribute in the future solve anything?

Very solid response.

I see the plan and the future here that Sweeney has in mind for 2018-2019. The problem is that the plan includes this annual choke each year along the way.

Make no mistake. The signs were there and people didn't want to 'mortgage the future' to help this team avoid this choke slump.

Now, 2018-2019 needs to be a huge year for this franchise and a number of these prospects need to hit because going through these annual stretches to get here is a lot more painful to the fans than a proper rebuild.

Trust me on that. This team has been one year behind the Canucks situation for years now as I watched them try to re-tool here instead of rebuild.

Fans are a lot more pissed at three years in a row 14th overall than bottoming out, watching prospects and new faces develop while seeing light at the end of the tunnel.

2018-2019 folks. Everything they are going through now is about that and you have to listen to the optimism from DKH, Kirk and company about 2018-2019 during these typical Bruins times.
 

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Not that the team doesn't have holes besides Rask, but great goaltending would mask those problems; and he's just not providing it.

Are we expecting too much wanting that, given his salary? I don't think so.

I feel for the ticket-buying customers and STH's that are paying for this again.

I think by and large he has been masking it. Some games he has not. The defense has been a mess as of late. I don't think people realize just how bad this defense is. No true top-pairing. Bottom six forwards that make constant defensive mistakes. Way too many own goals. Claude's system at least helped the D look better than they are. I don't even know if they know what they are doing over the past couple weeks.
 

Coach Parker

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I think by and large he has been masking it. Some games he has not. The defense has been a mess as of late. I don't think people realize just how bad this defense is. No true top-pairing. Bottom six forwards that make constant defensive mistakes. Way too many own goals. Claude's system at least helped the D look better than they are. I don't even know if they know what they are doing over the past couple weeks.

This is what the Pro-Julien crew and critics of Rask have been saying for years now. Honestly, Krug is the only capable top four right now.
 

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During Tim Thomas' fine years with the Bruins he showed a tendency to wear down after a stretch of 4- 5 games and would bounce back after sitting out one or two. Rask provided the capable back up.

Rask has shown over the last couple of years that he can't handle the condensed load and still play at an elite level which is required on most nights playing behind the defense of the last two seasons.

Khudobin upon his recall had played quite well yet, during the most critical week of the year, Cassidy reverted to Julien's panic mode of riding Rask all the way.

Khudobin was still awful. Bad rebounds everywhere.
 

Mr Cartmenez

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All players on the roster should be fair game except for Bergeron, Marchand, Carlo and Pastrnak.

The thing is you wouldn't be able to get blue-chippers if those 4 are exempt. But what they could accomplish is creating a new enviroment and atmosphere.

And to be honest, I don't think Marchand, Carlo or Pastrnak should be off-limits. Pastrnak is obviously as close to untouchable as it gets, but if someone offered a D on a similar talent level, we should be thinking about it (wouldn't happen, though).
Marchy signed a team-friendly deal, which is why I don't think he's going anywhere, but I would deal him if the right offer came along.

Bergeron has to stay, he is still leading by example and a good role-model for an up and coming young team.
 

Hali33

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2018-2019 sound great if we put Bergy and Marchand in a cryo chamber until then and Backes, Krejci and Rask's contracts evaporate as well when those contracts are really starting to rot.
 

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