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GDT: Game # 71 - New York Rangers vs Carolina Hurricanes - 7pm EST, MSG

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MrAlmost said:
Ghost was a good add for Carolina. Losing Pac and Svech for the season hurts them for sure, but they are still a great team. Don't be quick to write them off. They play a real prick of a style and they are tough to break out clean against.
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yeah we know, we've been watching them play this style for years. we know what to expect.

they are a tough team to play against but they're also not a juggernaut. They have pletny of flaws that they keep struggling to find solutions to
 
Also, you can argue the inherent value of an individual goaltender and I've gone that hill many times, but FWIW, what Shesterkin provides is probably also below market at that position.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Don't disagree. They also executed a rebuild amazingly well compared to some of these joke franchises that havent made the playoffs in 10 years. All that despite a global pandemic and Davidson & Gorton taking their foot off the gas and paying with their jobs during the shortened season in 2021.
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Personally I think we've been way more lucky than good during our rebuild. We had 3 guys force their way here when the team was just a year removed from the Letter which jumpstarted the process. Then we had Kane & Tank force their way here this year.

Along the way, we blew the McD trade, blew the Buch trade, cut TDA for nothing, & mishandled the Hank situation. Our drafting has been very spotty & we're now counting on guys like Othmann & Cuylie to salvage that. We've hit on Miller & Chytil, but lucked into Laf & Kakko. I'm hopeful on Schneider, but it's still too early to tell. The Anderson & Kravtsov picks were abhorrent when you look at where they were taken.

I wasn't in favor of Dolan canning JD & Gorton when it happened, but looking back it was absolutely the right move. Gorton had so many assets to move off the '17 team that lost to Ottawa & really didn't capitalize on the return nearly as well as he could've.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Personally I think we've been way more lucky than good in our rebuild. We had 3 guys force their way here when the team was just a year away from the Letter which jumpstarted the process. Then we had Kane & Tank force their way here this year.

Along the way, we blew the McD trade, blew the Buch trade, cut TDA for nothing, & mishandled the Hank situation. Our drafting has been very spotty & we're now counting on guys like Othmann & Cuylie to salvage that. We've hit on Miller & Chytil, but lucked into Laf & Kakko. I'm hopeful on Schneider, but it's still too early to tell. The Anderson & Kravtsov picks were abhorrent when you look at where they were taken.

I wasn't in favor of Dolan canning JD & Gorton when it happened, but looking back it was absolutely the right move. Gorton had so many assets to move off the '17 team that lost to Ottawa & really didn't capitalize on the return nearly as well as he could've.
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Not to mention the bolded have not even come close to expectations.
 
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Machinehead said:
It was over before that.

Fox won the Norris that year. Zibanejad had 50 in 56 and Panarin had 58 in 42. We had one more point than a team that made the SCF.

Hell, we were 37-28-5 the year before that.

The rebuild began when they traded Stepan whether they want to admit it or not. The 16-17 team being good was a complete accident.

We were in the latter stages of it when we signed Panarin. Fox, Chytil, Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller, Lindgren, and Shesterkin were already in the organization at that point.

That's your rebuild. Winning the Lafreniere lottery was another complete accident.

People think rebuilds are being terrible for ten years. That's a failed rebuild.
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Hard to make that case when they turned around and signed Shattenkirk a few days later.

The rebuild started when the letter went out and they started trading away players for prospects/picks. It ended the second they inked Panarin.

What people forget is that the rebuild process almost started earlier. They nearly traded McDonagh for the 4OA in 2016 before PLD went 3OA (NYR would have taken Keller, this place would have exploded into a whiny outrage, quieted when they found out thats hes a really good player and I'd currently be pissed off that they took him ahead of Tkachuk) and that would have likely opened the flood gates.

Brassard went a few weeks later. Stepan went the next summer but could have easily gone at that draft too (IIRC, he was going to Arizona in that draft for the 16OA+ had McAvoy fallen another spot, he ended up going a pick earlier - yes there is a universe where the Rangers could have had McAvoy and Fox.) They would have likely committed to being bad in 2017 and 2018 and perhaps the year after as well. The big UFA's just weren't there to be signed in those seasons outside of Shattenkirk (who may have ended up here anyway as JG isn't the type to keep it in his pants but if the team had committed to being bad perhaps he says no thanks) and Tavares (who wouldn't have come here even if they did pursue him.)

At least in that scenario, the timeline to add Panarin would have probably made more sense than it did for them in their actual one. I'll keep on banging the drum that his signing was really poor timing on the Rangers part and all it really did was make their work harder for themselves. These "they're rarely available!" guys seem to be available every year now, whether its through trade or UFA. They could have easily waited to add one of those while figuring out what they have with all their assets/giving them the minutes and opportunities to actually do things.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Personally I think we've been way more lucky than good in our rebuild. We had 3 guys force their way here when the team was just a year removed from the Letter which jumpstarted the process. Then we had Kane & Tank force their way here this year.

Along the way, we blew the McD trade, blew the Buch trade, cut TDA for nothing, & mishandled the Hank situation. Our drafting has been very spotty & we're now counting on guys like Othmann & Cuylie to salvage that. We've hit on Miller & Chytil, but lucked into Laf & Kakko. I'm hopeful on Schneider, but it's still too early to tell. The Anderson & Kravtsov picks were abhorrent when you look at where they were taken.

I wasn't in favor of Dolan canning JD & Gorton when it happened, but looking back it was absolutely the right move. Gorton had so many assets to move off the '17 team that lost to Ottawa & really didn't capitalize on the return nearly as well as he could've.
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I would rather be lucky than good. And I don't consider guys forcing their way here "luck" per se, because it's been happening for 20+ years. It's a feature, not a bug.
 
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McRanger92 said:
I would rather be lucky than good. And I don't consider guys forcing their way here "luck" per se, because it's been happening for 20+ years. It's a feature, not a bug.
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I'm not complaining, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the way they drew it up when the Letter went out. I think they cut it a little short, but that horse left the barn when they signed Panarin. The impetus is to win before Igor's contract is up...that's all that matters for the immediate future.
 
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Boris Zubov said:
Along the way, we blew the McD trade, blew the Buch trade, cut TDA for nothing, & mishandled the Hank situation. Our drafting has been very spotty & we're now counting on guys like Othmann & Cuylie to salvage that. We've hit on Miller & Chytil, but lucked into Laf & Kakko. I'm hopeful on Schneider, but it's still too early to tell. The Anderson & Kravtsov picks were abhorrent when you look at where they were taken.

I wasn't in favor of Dolan canning JD & Gorton when it happened, but looking back it was absolutely the right move. Gorton had so many assets to move off the '17 team that lost to Ottawa & really didn't capitalize on the return nearly as well as he could've.
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They absolutely blew the McD deal. But that's really the only move within that group that was uh, rebuild related.

I don't think the Buch trade really counts as a "rebuild" era move but sure, blew that one too.

TDA situation was complete f***ery on every side. Theres so much blame to go around there and I almost need 2 hands for all the finger pointing. I guess he was a young-ish asset who had value before that entire situation blew up but he isn't blameless here either. I very much doubt that the organization was encouraging him to go on twitter to challenge fans to fight him after games.

Hank situation was f***ed but not rebuild related at all. Never understood how they could just buy him out but would f***ing move heaven and earth to keep Marc Staal happy. They even played a better defenseman at forward just so they could get him into the lineup (after Skjei was moved Smith moved up to play with Trouba AND he ate more minutes than Staal who he supposedly couldn't get into the lineup over at D before Skjei went to Carolina.)

Sure Staal and his entire Salary were traded not to long after but they could have easily found an easier exit ramp for Hank.

Lias and shithead were bad picks. Glad Bobrov will be lending his expertise to the Habs for the foreseeable future. Just didn't do their homework on those guys at all, especially shit head.
 
Boris Zubov said:
I'm not complaining, but I'm pretty sure this isn't the way they drew it up when the Letter went out. I think they cut it a little short, but that horse left the barn when they signed Panarin. The impetus is to win before Igor's contract is up...that's all that matters for the immediate future.
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The goal of rebuilding was to get elite talent. That usually happens through the draft. We are the Rangers so it didn't happen that way, but we definitely got the elite talent that we need.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
They absolutely blew the McD deal. But that's really the only move within that group that was uh, rebuild related.

I don't think the Buch trade really counts as a "rebuild" era move but sure, blew that one too.

TDA situation was complete f***ery on every side. Theres so much blame to go around there and I almost need 2 hands for all the finger pointing. I guess he was a young-ish asset who had value before that entire situation blew up but he isn't blameless here either. I very much doubt that the organization was encouraging him to go on twitter to challenge fans to fight him after games.

Hank situation was f***ed but not rebuild related at all. Never understood how they could just buy him out but would f***ing move heaven and earth to keep Marc Staal happy. They even played a better defenseman at forward just so they could get him into the lineup (after Skjei was moved Smith moved up to play with Trouba AND he ate more minutes than Staal who he supposedly couldn't get into the lineup over at D before Skjei went to Carolina.)

Sure Staal and his entire Salary were traded not to long after but they could have easily found an easier exit ramp for Hank.

Lias and shithead were bad picks. Glad Bobrov will be lending his expertise to the Habs for the foreseeable future. Just didn't do their homework on those guys at all, especially shit head.
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The TDA & Hank buyouts also affected our cap space moving forward which cost us the ability to sign additional players. Had they traded Georgiev sooner, Hank's money isn't still on our books. TDA was a meathead, but regardless you don't shoot yourself in the foot by banishing an asset & rendering it basically worthless.

I could argue all those moves including Buch were rebuild moves since they all occurred before we made the playoffs since losing to Ottawa. No sense in going back & forth, it's all semantics, but my initial point was the results of the rebuild have exceeded the execution.
 
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