Game 7 SCF - Would you rather have Peak Crosby or Current McDavid?

[GreatGonzo]

Your Statwatching skills are truly Elite, again, I prefer game watching. I'm taking absolutely nothing away from McDavid but where are the Cups that he has led his team to if he is so great? Check that stat.

Crosby's shooting percentage was insane in 2017, especially in the Washington series. I cannot conceive of how the Penguins win the cup that year without Crosby playing at the level he did throughout those playoffs in all aspects of the game. Crosby is somewhat like a McDavid- Barkov hybrid in that sense

It’s almost like Cups are team achievements, and that Crosby had better teams around him…

Who would have thought?!

Much like how Crosby doesn’t touch a cup if Malkin didn’t reach the level he did, much like how Kessel, Murray, and Letang played at the level they did….again, shocking stuff.

 

[Laveuglette]

Hard to vote against McDavid currently.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Nope, if McDavid wins the cup on Monday night I think most people are going to think that he was unequivocally the number one reason why Edmonton won just like Crosby was a key contributor for all three of his cups. Same with Wayne, Mario, Messier, Kane, Lidstrom, etc.

Here is this threads argument, more points = better game 7 player. Crosby has actually hoisted the cup after a game 7 victory in a Stanley Cup final not to mention his Golden goal or other big game heroics like in game 7 of the Washington series during the 2009 playoffs. Mcdavid's track record just doesn't have that much to offer, he just hasn't been in as many big games and big moments. Crosby is a proven commodity, McDavid is just the it girl of the moment. Connor McDavid could end up being the Caitlin Clark of hockey.

A game in which he didn’t score any points and barely played in?….

 

[GoldenSeal]

Crosby only because he's got multiple Cups and was fostered in a winning environment. McDavid had to work hard to help create that environment especially with an idiotic management at the time. Imagine if he was brought up as a rookie towards the tail end of the Oilers dynasty.

If McDavid and Co. wins the Cup tomorrow, these Oilers will have created their winning culture and that is so much more impressive than anything Crosby's done.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Crosby for now until McDavid wins multiple cups and Conn Smythes.

 

[nowhereman]

Crosby only because he's got multiple Cups and was fostered in a winning environment. McDavid had to work hard to help create that environment especially with an idiotic management at the time. Imagine if he was brought up as a rookie towards the tail end of the Oilers dynasty.

If McDavid and Co. wins the Cup tomorrow, these Oilers will have created their winning culture and that is so much more impressive than anything Crosby's done.

Crosby WAS the Penguins winning culture. This is a team that finished 2nd last in the league and saw all it's aging veterans (Lemieux, Recchi, Palffy, Leclair) retire or leave the team within the year. From that point forward, Sid took on the captaincy and set the tone for the next two decades. He is one of the greatest leaders in the history of the sport and every single guy who has ever played with him acknowledges what he brings to the Penguins organization.

 

[Ignatius]

It’s almost like Cups are team achievements, and that Crosby had better teams around him…

Who would have thought?!

Much like how Crosby doesn’t touch a cup if Malkin didn’t reach the level he did, much like how Kessel, Murray, and Letang played at the level they did….again, shocking stuff.

In 2015 the HF Hivemind said that Toews was better than Crosby because Cups, in 2018 the HF Hivemind said that Ovechkin was better than Crosby because individual awards.

Plenty of negative Crosby sentiment to go around over the past two decades. People who talk about Malkin and Kessel are showing their ignorance because those two rarely if ever played with Crosby outside of the power play. Meanwhile McDavid is force-fed Drai on a regular basis and always has been throughout his career.

A game in which he didn’t score any points and barely played in?….

How many game sevens of the Stanley Cup final has McDavid played in? The only reason he is playing in a game 7 tonight is because McDavid didn't do jack **** in the first three games of the series. Again I want to give McDavid his due but the reality is he has had two big games in the series and people are getting delusional.

 

[norrisnick]

In 2015 the HF Hivemind said that Toews was better than Crosby because Cups, in 2018 the HF Hivemind said that Ovechkin was better than Crosby because individual awards.

Plenty of negative Crosby sentiment to go around over the past two decades. People who talk about Malkin and Kessel are showing their ignorance because those two rarely if ever played with Crosby outside of the power play. Meanwhile McDavid is force-fed Drai on a regular basis and always has been throughout his career.



How many game sevens of the Stanley Cup final has McDavid played in? The only reason he is playing in a game 7 tonight is because McDavid didn't do jack **** in the first three games of the series. Again I want to give McDavid his due but the reality is he has had two big games in the series and people are getting delusional.

No you don't. Otherwise you'd acknowledge what Sid did en route to his "heroic" game 7 Cup win.

 

[DitchMarner]

In 2015 the HF Hivemind said that Toews was better than Crosby because Cups, in 2018 the HF Hivemind said that Ovechkin was better than Crosby because individual awards.

How many game sevens of the Stanley Cup final has McDavid played in? The only reason he is playing in a game 7 tonight is because McDavid didn't do jack **** in the first three games of the series. Again I want to give McDavid his due but the reality is he has had two big games in the series and people are getting delusional.

And people constantly argue that Crosby is better than McDavid because of Cups. If it was bad logic back then, why isn't it now?

He'll be playing in his first one. Crosby's played in two and has twice as a long a career. Not really Earth-shattering stuff.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Crosby scored the golden goal too

 

[Thallis]

In 2015 the HF Hivemind said that Toews was better than Crosby because Cups, in 2018 the HF Hivemind said that Ovechkin was better than Crosby because individual awards.

Plenty of negative Crosby sentiment to go around over the past two decades. People who talk about Malkin and Kessel are showing their ignorance because those two rarely if ever played with Crosby outside of the power play. Meanwhile McDavid is force-fed Drai on a regular basis and always has been throughout his career.

Neither of these were ever held by a plurality or majority of people. The Toews one was more widespread but died pretty quickly in 2011-2012 after the hype of the Olympics died down. The Ovechkin one wasn't held beyond a few contrarians on here.

How many game sevens of the Stanley Cup final has McDavid played in? The only reason he is playing in a game 7 tonight is because McDavid didn't do jack **** in the first three games of the series. Again I want to give McDavid his due but the reality is he has had two big games in the series and people are getting delusional.

McDavid was PPG, had points on 75% of his team's goals, and individually contributed on the majority of the Oilers' scoring chances in the first 3 games. Saying he didn't do jack shit is not only wrong, it's wishful thinking.

 

[waitin425]

Ask me after tonight.

Peak Crosby is a proven winner. I voted him for now. McDavid.....although probably the best body of work in the playoffs I have ever seen (after 1993 Patrick Roy), still has to seal the deal. If he brings it home tonight, I take McDavid in all future game 7s.

 

[GreatGonzo]

In 2015 the HF Hivemind said that Toews was better than Crosby because Cups, in 2018 the HF Hivemind said that Ovechkin was better than Crosby because individual awards.

Plenty of negative Crosby sentiment to go around over the past two decades. People who talk about Malkin and Kessel are showing their ignorance because those two rarely if ever played with Crosby outside of the power play. Meanwhile McDavid is force-fed Drai on a regular basis and always has been throughout his career.



How many game sevens of the Stanley Cup final has McDavid played in? The only reason he is playing in a game 7 tonight is because McDavid didn't do jack **** in the first three games of the series. Again I want to give McDavid his due but the reality is he has had two big games in the series and people are getting delusional.

The bolded never happened, but nice try

None of that matters at all. Malkin led the team in points in 2/3 of those winning runs while Kessel led the other. It doesn’t matter whether or not they played with Crosby. Also, I still love the whole “McDavid is a product of Drai!” Argument that has been debunked already.

The team had scored 4 goals and McDavid had assisted on 3 of them, so your whole “he hasn’t done Jack shit” argument is desperate. You know who didn’t do “jack shit?” Crosby. 3 points in 7 games…why are you ignoring this and yet using it against McDavid?…

Your trying way to hard to hate on McDavid. It’s going to be ok

 

[Orange Dragon]

McDavid.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Growing up is realizing that playoff Crosby had 3 other HOF talents performing at equal or greater levels for his cup runs and when they stopped performing he stopped performing.

Is this on your Xbox or when did this happen?

Neither of these were ever held by a plurality or majority of people. The Toews one was more widespread but died pretty quickly in 2011-2012 after the hype of the Olympics died down. The Ovechkin one wasn't held beyond a few contrarians on here.



McDavid was PPG, had points on 75% of his team's goals, and individually contributed on the majority of the Oilers' scoring chances in the first 3 games. Saying he didn't do jack shit is not only wrong, it's wishful thinking.

McDavid had zero points and mostly just skated around the perimeter in the first 3 games when he wasn't on the ice with Draisaitl.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Is this on your Xbox or when did this happen?


McDavid had zero points and mostly just skated around the perimeter in the first 3 games when he wasn't on the ice with Draisaitl.

McDavid had 3 points in his first 3 games….while the whole team had only 4 goals. Are you being serious?

 

[Lt Dan]

Justin Williams

 

[Ignatius]

The bolded never happened, but nice try

None of that matters at all. Malkin led the team in points in 2/3 of those winning runs while Kessel led the other. It doesn’t matter whether or not they played with Crosby. Also, I still love the whole “McDavid is a product of Drai!” Argument that has been debunked already.

The team had scored 4 goals and McDavid had assisted on 3 of them, so your whole “he hasn’t done Jack shit” argument is desperate. You know who didn’t do “jack shit?” Crosby. 3 points in 7 games…why are you ignoring this and yet using it against McDavid?…

Your trying way to hard to hate on McDavid. It’s going to be ok

You are correct, I am not a McDavid sycophant therefore I must have MDS, McDavid derangement syndrome

 

[norrisnick]

A lot of things are falling into place and making a whole lot more sense now...

 

[heretik27]

You are correct, I am not a McDavid sycophant therefore I must have MDS, McDavid derangement syndrome

Found the proof right here

 

[Ignatius]

Found the proof right here

I recently applied for Canadian citizenship and I had to take an extensive medical exam, MDS was the only thing that I was diagnosed with.

 

[KevinRedkey]

McDavid being better than Crosby ever was, doesn't tarnish Crosby's legendary legacy by any means. It just shows how ridiculously good McDavid is.

 

[Thallis]

Is this on your Xbox or when did this happen?


McDavid had zero points and mostly just skated around the perimeter in the first 3 games when he wasn't on the ice with Draisaitl.

Again, he created the majority of the team's scoring chances (literally 5 of the Oiler's 7 in game 2) in those 3 games. Draisitl also had 0 points in that time so why does it matter?

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Again, he created the majority of the team's scoring chances (literally 5 of the Oiler's 7 in game 2) in those 3 games. Draisitl also had 0 points in that time so why does it matter?

5 scoring chances doesn't sound that great when you play with all the other best players on your team and play almost half the game (26 minutes)

 

[Thallis]

5 scoring chances doesn't sound that great when you play with all the other best players on your team and play almost half the game (26 minutes)

When all the other best players (and everyone else) on has 2 scoring chances, yeah it sounds pretty good. It's also a 1 game total so 5 scoring chances is still good.