GDT: Game 6: 10/24 - Anaheim Ducks @ Columbus Blue Jackets - 5:30 PT, BSSC (updated start time)

[DuckDuckGetz]

Well that's what it is, that isn't a lie or anything. Just be up front with which games he's playing or isn't playing and understand that a not insignificant amount of fans will be paying to go to games to specifically watch him play. Respect that as well by communicating.

Yeah exactly... I have liked Pat overall but his communication has been terrible, so I'm not surprised he hasn't done this but it should be done.

 

[Static]

Cynically, I do wonder if they decision to not disclose his absence in home games is calculated.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It’s clear that we want him on a ducks strength and conditioning program that he wouldn’t have in Sweden. I don’t like him being scratched either. But our Gm isn’t dumb, he’s a professional. Let’s give him some rope. He’s earned it

I'm not sure that logic about strength and conditioning is completely valid. Orebro's done a great job developing Carlsson since he was age 15. Carlsson became the #2 pick overall because of great development physically and mentally.

It's more apt to say that Verbeek wants Carlsson on the Ducks. Verbeek wants to move up the rebuild completion faster by going against his philosophy of preferring "overripen prospects" than rushing. This load mgmt is proof that Verbeek is rushing Carlsson. Conflate that moving up idea with three rookie d-men in LaCombe, Mintyukov, and Luneau, then it makes a lot more sense. LaCombe and Minchy are hits early, but Luneau isn't ready.

I'm very interested if Luneau is being kept all season with the Ducks as it aligns well with what we're doing with Carlsson.

 

[LuGBuG]

I'm not sure that logic about strength and conditioning is completely valid. Orebro's done a great job developing Carlsson since he was age 15. Carlsson became the #2 pick overall because of great development physically and mentally.

It's more apt to say that Verbeek wants Carlsson on the Ducks. Verbeek wants to move up the rebuild completion faster by going against his philosophy of preferring "overripen prospects" than rushing. This load mgmt is proof that Verbeek is rushing Carlsson. Conflate that moving up idea with three rookie d-men in LaCombe, Mintyukov, and Luneau, then it makes a lot more sense. LaCombe and Minchy are hits early, but Luneau isn't ready.

I'm very interested if Luneau is being kept all season with the Ducks as it aligns well with what we're doing with Carlsson.

Carlsson is not being rushed. His game needs to be in the NHL. His showed that in 2 games.

If you are worried about him burning out or not handling the load this is how you manage it.

 

[Deuce22]

I'm not sure that logic about strength and conditioning is completely valid. Orebro's done a great job developing Carlsson since he was age 15. Carlsson became the #2 pick overall because of great development physically and mentally.

It's more apt to say that Verbeek wants Carlsson on the Ducks. Verbeek wants to move up the rebuild completion faster by going against his philosophy of preferring "overripen prospects" than rushing. This load mgmt is proof that Verbeek is rushing Carlsson. Conflate that moving up idea with three rookie d-men in LaCombe, Mintyukov, and Luneau, then it makes a lot more sense. LaCombe and Minchy are hits early, but Luneau isn't ready.

I'm very interested if Luneau is being kept all season with the Ducks as it aligns well with what we're doing with Carlsson.

If a player is your #1 center I don't know how you can say that he's being rushed.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I'm not sure that logic about strength and conditioning is completely valid. Orebro's done a great job developing Carlsson since he was age 15. Carlsson became the #2 pick overall because of great development physically and mentally.

It's more apt to say that Verbeek wants Carlsson on the Ducks. Verbeek wants to move up the rebuild completion faster by going against his philosophy of preferring "overripen prospects" than rushing. This load mgmt is proof that Verbeek is rushing Carlsson. Conflate that moving up idea with three rookie d-men in LaCombe, Mintyukov, and Luneau, then it makes a lot more sense. LaCombe and Minchy are hits early, but Luneau isn't ready.

I'm very interested if Luneau is being kept all season with the Ducks as it aligns well with what we're doing with Carlsson.

When our Gm sees how good minty and lacombe have been to solidify things + mac and zegras taking steps. He sees that carlsson can develop in a good situation. Not a dumpster fire

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It's an interesting plan that can gain traction throughout the league if it shows merit.

I understand people are upset, but understand you're upset because you want to watch him play, not because you know what's best for him.

It's a development season. I think that idea hasn't been accepted. It's an unusual development season, but still a development season.

I think Carlsson, and this season, is a special case. Teams usually don't want to burn an ELC early, especially if that prospect can return to the SHL or go to the AHL, which still qualifies for an ELC slide rule.

 

[MMC]

It's a development season. I think that idea hasn't been accepted. It's an unusual development season, but still a development season.

I think Carlsson, and this season, is a special case. Teams usually don't want to burn an ELC early, especially if that prospect can return to the SHL or go to the AHL, which still qualifies for an ELC slide rule.

You say this, yet you yourself can't seem to understand that this is how our front office feels is the best way to develop the player

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Carlsson is not being rushed. His game needs to be in the NHL. His showed that in 2 games.

If you are worried about him burning out or not handling the load this is how you manage it.

If a player is your #1 center I don't know how you can say that he's being rushed.

A part-time 1C needing load mgmt to improve his body isn't proof we're rushing him? LMFAO!

I'm okay with this b/c we're still in a development era. I'm not complaining that Carlsson's on load mgmt. I think it's unfair to Cronin to juggle between 1C's throughout the season.

 

[All Mighty]

I wonder what Carlsson does during the morning skates. Is he just working out in the weight room? Do visiting teams even have access to weight rooms in other buildings?

 

[Leonardo87]

Leo has become that recurring character on a sitcom. Where he makes the show so much better, as well as his co-stars, and fans want to see more of him.

 

[LuGBuG]

A part-time 1C needing load mgmt to improve his body isn't proof we're rushing him? LMFAO!

I'm okay with this b/c we're still in a development era. I'm not complaining that Carlsson's on load mgmt. I think it's unfair to Cronin to juggle between 1C's throughout the season.

The proof we aren’t rushing him is the load management. His game is NHL worthy. My guess is they don’t want his body to be broken down by the end of the season and are letting him build strength in the first half while getting reps as well.

 

[2faded]

Also, the team should be more up front with the fans about it as well. I know verbeek did that one interview, but they should be smart enough to get ahead of this disappointment and engage with the fanbase more.

Definitely. I'll probably make one game this season. If I buy tickets and then day of they announce he is sitting out I'm going to be pretty pissed.

 

[Vaakou]

Great... another early game i can watch live and he's not playing. Stupid, let him play.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

You say this, yet you yourself can't seem to understand that this is how our front office feels is the best way to develop the player

I think you're confusing me with someone else, like yourself?

You were pretty adamant after the 2021-22 season that we'd be using draft picks to grab NHL players, implying we're trying to make the playoffs or something like that. I kept telling everyone we've reset the rebuild at the 2021-22 TDL and that we're gonna wait longer to be a playoff team again.

Here, I'm explaining why we have load mgmt to many questioning why we're doing it. I'm not opposed to it, but it surely feels you're projecting. There's nothing wrong with identifying that we're rushing Carlsson, especially when our GM specifically stated he prefers "overripen prospects" than rushing. I've stated Verbeek wants to move up the rebuild timeline. Again, I'm not opposing it.

Why am I not opposed to so many things? It's because we're still in a development era. I don't think you understand what that means at all? I've been steadfast since the 2021-22 TDL that we reset the rebuild and I'm ready for the long haul; unlike yourself. Don't be ignorant and come off like a cheesy white knight when we're on the same side. Think, bruh... think better.

 

[McDonald19]

Healthy scratching your franchise center.

 

[MMC]

I think you're confusing me with someone else, like yourself?

You were pretty adamant after the 2021-22 season that we'd be using draft picks to grab NHL players, implying we're trying to make the playoffs or something like that. I kept telling everyone we've reset the rebuild at the 2021-22 TDL and that we're gonna wait longer to be a playoff team again.

Here, I'm explaining why we have load mgmt to many questioning why we're doing it. I'm not opposed to it, but it surely feels you're projecting. There's nothing wrong with identifying that we're rushing Carlsson, especially when our GM specifically stated he prefers "overripen prospects" than rushing. I've stated Verbeek wants to move up the rebuild timeline. Again, I'm not opposing it.

Why am I not opposed to so many things? It's because we're still in a development era. I don't think you understand what that means at all? I've been steadfast since the 2021-22 TDL that we reset the rebuild and I'm ready for the long haul; unlike yourself. Don't be ignorant and come off like a cheesy white knight when we're on the same side. Think, bruh... think better.

Haha, no I wasn't. I floated the possibility but never claimed it to be a certainty

 

[Mr Rogers]

on a different topic, I hope Luneau draws in for Vaaks tonight. At least Tristan can be dangerous offensively. they are both bad defensively but Vaaks doesn't bring any offense whatsoever. This would be a good game for him to play against a bad team.

 

[2faded]

So this Frozen Frenzy is the day where ESPN is supposed to be doing something like NFL Redzone and jumping between games I think.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The proof we aren’t rushing him is the load management. His game is NHL worthy. My guess is they don’t want his body to be broken down by the end of the season and are letting him build strength in the first half while getting reps as well.

If Carlsson were in the SHL, he'd be playing 1C for all 52 SHL games and we wouldn't blink an eye.

In the NHL, we have a part-time 1C. We're rushing him, but it's okay. This aligns well to acclimating him from the SHL schedule to the NHL schedule, SHL + 10% more games. This is how Verbeek chooses to develop Carlsson and I'm not opposed it. Just reframe your brain to say Carlsson is on an SHL + 10-20% more games schedule progression.

IMO, Verbeek is doing this to move up the reset rebuild timeline. At McIlvane's introductory presser during the summer, Verbeek identified his OFD's needing to learn how to play defense. Carlsson, Minchy, and LaCombe in the NHL has panned out great as we're hitting on more prospects and seeing the blueliners finally fill in at the NHL level. There was a lot of guessing how long the blueliners would take to get into the NHL. Carlsson looking great between Z and Terry while adapting to NA ice as well as gameplay establishes we found a great center, but still needs development. That means next season is going to be a lot better than this season, and maybe pushing towards the fringes of a playoff birth.

 

[MMC]

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Haha, no I wasn't. I floated the possibility but never claimed it to be a certainty

I didn't read an apology from you mistaking my position regarding Carlsson or this season. I've been steadfast on my position since the 2021-22 TDL. Or you gonna turtle out after making a false accusation?

 

[Boo Boo]

God forbid we scratch the 18 year old rookie

 

[MMC]

I didn't read an apology from you mistaking my position regarding Carlsson or this season. I've been steadfast on my position since the 2021-22 TDL. Or you gonna turtle out after making a false accusation?

Your arrogance is truly something, and it's quite unfortunate because you're clearly capable of having informed discussion on this board but the tone of your posts makes engaging with you not worthwhile.

In the NHL, we have a part-time 1C. We're rushing him, but it's okay.

In the same sentence you call him a 1C and then say he's being rushed. If you don't see how this is incredibly oxymoronic I don't know what to say

 

[ohcomeonref]

God forbid we scratch the 18 year old rookie

The 18-year-old rookie that happens to be our best forward already?