GDT: Game # 47 - 1/23/2023 - New York Rangers vs Florida Panthers - 7pm EST, MSG

[McRanger92]

I dunno, Kravt and Key were buddies from the day they met.

Yeah I think from the draft year. More a commentary on Laf & KAM's bromance that seems to have fizzled. We know how much NYR loves to push Mika/Kreids, Fox/Lindy on everyone

 

[Profet]

I cant disagree with the culture aspect of it. But, did you feel this way during the Lundqvist years? Because the bad culture they seemingly have now was not how the Lundqvist teams were built at all.

The Lundqvist teams were coached by a systems coach. Torts taught everyone how to play defense. It was boring hockey, but it worked.

When Torts outlived his expiration date, we jumped to AV. AV couldn't coach a system if his life depended on it. But Torts' lessons carried on and the team was able to inject some offense (that Torts suppressed here because of a severe lack of talent) into their game.

This team completely skipped the systems coach and went with two locker room likeable coaches in Quinn and GG.

The kids have no idea what they should be doing.

 

[Machinehead]

I cant disagree with the culture aspect of it. But, did you feel this way during the Lundqvist years? Because the bad culture they seemingly have now was not how the Lundqvist teams were built at all.

I just can't as a fan chalk it up to "Oh well, Palpatine is in charge and we have no chance of ever winning with him running the show so we may as well just live with the fact that were screwed."

I know outrage is the favorite emotion of Ranger fans but things are good! We made a deep run last year with a team of 23 year olds and are very much in the mix to do it again. There is plenty of time left before we need to label the lottery boys as busts. It would be a unique development curve for them to become impact players in the mid-20s, but they were also drafted into a unique situation no?

Honestly, they just didn't have the talent back then for something like that to happen.

Forget Panarin, Mika Zibanejad would look an alien on the Lundqvist teams.

It made for a less toxic place for development, but they needed more talent to get over the hump. It's a double-edged sword.

The situation is far from dire, I'll agree with that, but Panarin and Zibanejad are mortal. If this team doesn't want to run into not having the horses again like they did with Hank, the young players need to improve.

I'm not saying it's hopeless, either. The Rangers went from Leetch to McDonagh without a 45 point defenseman. They became a development powerhouse on D, including for my money, the best defenseman on this earth. Things can change. I'm just afraid they don't see the issue.

 

[McRanger92]

The Lundqvist teams were coached by a systems coach. Torts taught everyone how to play defense. It was boring hockey, but it worked.

When Torts outlived his expiration date, we jumped to AV. AV couldn't coach a system if his life depended on it. But Torts' lessons carried on and the team was able to inject some offense (that Torts suppressed here because of a severe lack of talent) into their game.

This team completely skipped the systems coach and went with two locker room likeable coaches in Quinn and GG.

The kids have no idea what they should be doing.

I dont think they liked Quinn very much at all. I think his problem was that he was a meddling hard-ass but did not have a system that was proven to work or any kind of track record, so no one respected him and he took it out on the children. He wasnt the right coach to handle Panarin & Trouba coming in as big ticket franchise players imo. It wouldve worked better with him if they had ripped everything down to the studs.

 

[Profet]

I dont think they liked Quinn very much at all. I think his problem was that he was a meddling hard-ass but did not have a system that was proven to work or any kind of track record, so no one respected him and he took it out on the children. He wasnt the right coach to handle Panarin & Trouba coming in as big ticket franchise players imo. It wouldve worked better with him if they had ripped everything down to the studs.

Maybe so... but Quinn was brought in as a players' coach. What he turned out to be is irrelevant. The player reviews from his college coaching tenure were fantastic.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I think from the draft year. More a commentary on Laf & KAM's bromance that seems to have fizzled. We know how much NYR loves to push Mika/Kreids, Fox/Lindy on everyone

Eh they were pretty chummy even after that. There was a pic of the 2 of them chilling in the ocean during the pandemic.

They'd push that bromance on us too if Kravtsov didn't suck.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Really need to see a win tonight. It's been too long.

 

[McRanger92]

Honestly, they just didn't have the talent back then for something like that to happen.

Forget Panarin, Mika Zibanejad would look an alien on the Lundqvist teams.

It made for a less toxic place for development, but they needed more talent to get over the hump. It's a double-edged sword.

The situation is far from dire, I'll agree with that, but Panarin and Zibanejad are mortal. If this team doesn't want to run into not having the horses again like they did with Hank, the young players need to improve.

I'm not saying it's hopeless, either. The Rangers went from Leetch to McDonagh without a 45 point defenseman. They became a development powerhouse on D, including for my money, the best defenseman on this earth. Things can change. I'm just afraid they don't see the issue.

I think they do see the problems. Drury was critical of Panarin in the summer and Gallant is starting to call him on things now. It's a start. This year is not a lost season by any stretch, but I dont think they will go into next year with Kreider-Panarin-Lafreniere on the left wing. One of them, could be any of the 3 imo, wont be here on opening night next year.

 

[OthmannOut]

Gameday and all I can think about is what will be the PGT title. Will it simply be 'felines'? Might it be 'like canines, just lazy, pretentious, and boring'? hmmmm.....

"meow"

 

[TominNC]

I think you are overly negative about 21 year old's who don't get any powerplay time

He could still show us a bit more.

 

[McRanger92]

He could still show us a bit more.

Lafreniere for sure. He deserves the criticism he gets for coming into the season out of shape. Kakko I actually think has been quite good, but I also dont measure development with point totals

 

[hackeyman]

Oh look….ANOTHER thread completely ruined by the same half dozen posters that need to make everything into a bash Laf thread. This is getting so ridiculous.

I read through the entire thread . It starts off bashing the coach for the lines and not playing the kids more and on PP1and then progresses to bashing NYR management in general. Now there's some genuine new material for the threads. A couple of members gave some stats on the kids and now we have someone crying that it's a bash Laf thread. It's been RIDICULOUS like this for some time. Is this a New York Rangers board or is it a LAF /Kids board ? We can have a great game and beat a good team and the PGT thread will be dead if there's nothing noticeable for posters to complain about how the team is handling the kids.

 

[Leonardo87]

Oh look….ANOTHER thread completely ruined by the same half dozen posters that need to make everything into a bash Laf thread. This is getting so ridiculous.

Yeah, it’s getting a little off the rails here. The thing is Laf has to play better and produce there is no question, I don’t think it’s bashing him to criticize his play.

Hopefully with the kids line together tonight and against a middle team they can get something going.

 

[will1066]

I read through the entire thread . It starts off bashing the coach for the lines and not playing the kids more and on PP1and then progresses to bashing NYR management in general. Now there's some genuine new material for the threads. A couple of members gave some stats on the kids and now we have someone crying that it's a bash Laf thread. It's been RIDICULOUS like this for some time. Is this a New York Rangers board or is it a LAF /Kids board ? We can have a great game and beat a good team and the PGT thread will be dead if there's nothing noticeable for posters to complain about how the team is handling the kids.

You forgot bash EdJovo for his food choices.

But you're right.

 

[Leonardo87]

You forgot bash EdJovo for his food choices.

But you're right.

I thought the Robin Hood: men in tights quotes were funny. Lol.

 

[TominNC]

Lafreniere for sure. He deserves the criticism he gets for coming into the season out of shape. Kakko I actually think has been quite good, but I also dont measure development with point totals

Yes, Laf. You know, I understand the age and all and I'm more patient thancouple of games many here, but jeez, every couple of games give me an oooh moment. Like KAM has even when he was inconsistent. I mean, even Gauthier gets you out of your seat now and then.

 

[McRanger92]

Yes, Laf. You know, I understand the age and all and I'm more patient thancouple of games many here, but jeez, every couple of games give me an oooh moment. Like KAM has even when he was inconsistent. I mean, even Gauthier gets you out of your seat now and then.

I think part of Laf's issue was complacency knowing he was the 3rd line LW no matter what so he's taken it a bit easy. He cost himself a fair bit of money so hopefully he learns from it.

 

[OrwellianNightmare]

So we can develop defenseman, goalies, and two-way forwards, aka 3/4s of an NHL roster, but whiffed on high draft picks 20+ years ago so Lafreniere & Kakko have no chance? I'm trying to follow you here

What’s interesting to me is our reputation for developing defensemen and not forwards considering what vets blocked Fox, Lindgren, Miller and Schneider versus Kakko, Chytil and especially Lafreniere.

We force our young blue line into ice time but not our forwards. And as a result they develop. Growing pains and all.

The same approach should be followed with forwards.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What’s interesting to me is our reputation for developing defensemen and not forwards considering what vets blocked Fox, Lindgren, Miller and Schneider versus Kakko, Chytil and especially Lafreniere.

We force our young blue line into ice time but not our forwards. And as a result they develop. Growing pains and all.

The same approach should be followed with forwards.

Also dman almost never play at 18

 

[OrwellianNightmare]

Also, the screams about wanting to move Lafreniere because of our inability to properly develop is the reason why Dolan and this franchise continue to appease impatient and vocal fans (like plenty on here) and themselves with overpaid veterans and try to win now. It's the same old Rangers. We just couldn't f***ing resist could we?

We announce a rebuild, well, we should f***ing stick to it. For once in my 30+ years of watching this team, I'd rather go with a different approach, but time and time again we've proven as an organization and fanbase we just can't f***ing handle that. So here we are. Trying to win now and getting ribbed for failing to develop two top picks in the process.

 

[Machinehead]

I think they do see the problems. Drury was critical of Panarin in the summer and Gallant is starting to call him on things now. It's a start. This year is not a lost season by any stretch, but I dont think they will go into next year with Kreider-Panarin-Lafreniere on the left wing. One of them, could be any of the 3 imo, wont be here on opening night next year.

They do get it in bursts.

I just hope they don't default to "well obviously if things are a bit toxic, we need more character and grit." We already wasted money on Goodrow.

Just try to get more out of the guys you have. Sometimes it's personnel but sometimes it's mental.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Kodiak]

Oh look….ANOTHER thread completely ruined by the same half dozen posters that need to make everything into a bash Laf thread. This is getting so ridiculous.

The GDT before puck drop is supposed to be for lineup updates, the same handful of jokes that get posted in every GDT (tradition is important), and general shitposting. We are way off track today and in dire need of more movie quotes and memes.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He must be reading the fire GG thread.

 

[EdJovanovski]