GDT: Game 35: Sharks vs. Avalanche 7:30pm NBCSCA

[Chinaski89]

I mean this IS the avs

Go to the Avs board… they hate their team lol 90% of their posters are more negative than any of our posters

 

[dmcccdmn]

I credit today's awesome tank job to Grier's trade. Great job Grier. Looking forward to adding a franchise Dman this draft.

 

[The Nemesis]

No, I don't think it backfired. I think this was the hope.

The fact that you suddenly seem to think this is terrible makes me question where you've been the last few years. This was always the plan. Acting as if it's unconscionable now when we're like 1/3rd of the way through the season is a weird pivot.

The team needs to be bad for the short term, Vanacek can't play because of a freak accident, and they might as well see if they can catch lightning in a bottle with Georgiev between now and the trade deadline on the off chance that some dumb, panicky team in need of a backup goalie can be sold in the idea that he's closer to what he used to be than what he is now and the last year and a bit with the Avs was some sort of horrible bump in the road.

It's not likely that the last thing happens but if they're are going to/need to lose games anyways there's no real significant harm in trying.

And yeah, yeah "culture" and all that. But it won't matter if it's just this year and maybe a slightly lesser degree next if that means the team can really swing around and compete afterwards. If they're still in the basement in 4 or 5 years then it's time to panic but for now this is the cost of doing business.

 

[Tw1ster]

The plan has clearly been to keep Askarov in the AHL not because he needs a ton more development (no more crazy passes with the puck, no cheating too much to the near side) but because they want another high pick. If Vanacek didn't bravely protect the fans from the puck with his face, they would have rotated those two for the rest of the year unless one of them started playing well enough to trade for whatever someone will give.

Yeah which is fair enough, Vanecek might be somewhat serviceable for some games. The thing I worry about is if Vanecek is out for a couple weeks , and Georgiev continues to be horrid and Askarov looks good in his games, it’ll be a pretty bad message to send him down instead of firing Georgiev into the sun where he probably should be

 

[karltonian]

If you legitimately thought that then you drank Mike's kool-aid.

My point is not about Mack leaving. Good on him. He deserved a chance to be on a contender. But, and I've said this numerous times, there is only ONE reason for Georgie to be getting any games and that's for losses. I would honestly rather they cut bait with Georgie, bring in someone else behind Vanacek (not Askarov). Everything about Georgie on and off the ice seems incredibly demoralizing.

we're developing our D to shut down 100% of all chances.

 

[TheBeard]

That’s fair, I disagree. Most teams would let their new goalie play their former team

I think Mike wanted Georgiev to want to play against Colorado because any other goalie on our roster would have won that game.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Chinaski89]

Gorgiev with a question about what the defense could learn from this and said ‘not sure if it’s mental, but we need to be smarter’ not at all acknowledging he gave up two softies to seal the loss… what a chode

 

[hockeyball]

Some good news though guys...

I'm at Disneyland and didn't have to watch that mess haha

 

[Star Platinum]

Yeah which is fair enough, Vanecek might be somewhat serviceable for some games. The thing I worry about is if Vanecek is out for a couple weeks , and Georgiev continues to be horrid and Askarov looks good in his games, it’ll be a pretty bad message to send him down instead of firing Georgiev into the sun where he probably should be

I agree. If Askarov plays really well, you have to let him keep the job.

 

[karltonian]

The fact that you suddenly seem to think this is terrible makes me question where you've been the last few years. This was always the plan. Acting as if it's unconscionable now when we're like 1/3rd of the way through the season is a weird pivot.

The team needs to be bad for the short term, Vanacek can't play because of a freak accident, and they might as well see if they can catch lightning in a bottle with Georgiev between now and the trade deadline on the off chance that some dumb, panicky team in need of a backup goalie can be sold in the idea that he's closer to what he used to be than what he is now and the last year and a bit with the Avs was some sort of horrible bump in the road.

It's not likely that the last thing happens but if they're are going to/need to lose games anyways there's no real significant harm in trying.

And yeah, yeah "culture" and all that. But it won't matter if it's just this year and maybe a slightly lesser degree next if that means the team can really swing around and compete afterwards. If they're still in the basement in 4 or 5 years then it's time to panic but for now this is the cost of doing business.

I mean the Avs didn't give us a 2nd and Kovalenko because Georgiev is a competitive NHL goalie at this time. Add up georgiev and kovalenko and that's the value of that move even before you consider the 2nd. even if you are keeping score like that it's not too much of a bummer.

Some good news though guys...

I'm at Disneyland and didn't have to watch that mess haha

honestly it was a decent game against a stacked team. they legit outshot them and had a chance to win it.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Go to the Avs board… they hate their team lol 90% of their posters are more negative than any of our posters

Legit 1st world problems here. Sharks outside of Celebrini, Smith, and Eklund raise my blood pressure and short my temper every so often lol

 

[Star Platinum]

Gorgiev with a question about what the defense could learn from this and said ‘not sure if it’s a mental thing, but we need to be smarter’ not at all acknowledging he gave up two softies to seal the loss… what a chode

I don't even know what questions you can ask a goalie at a press conference where he didn't play well other than "Why the hell couldn't you have stopped one or more of those goals?"

 

[TheBeard]

we're developing our D to shut down 100% of all chances.

Well played.

Gorgiev with a question about what the defense could learn from this and said ‘not sure if it’s a mental thing, but we need to be smarter’ not at all acknowledging he gave up two softies to seal the loss… what a chode

This is how he was in Colorado.

 

[Pavelski2112]

And yeah, yeah "culture" and all that. But it won't matter if it's just this year and maybe a slightly lesser degree next if that means the team can really swing around and compete afterwards. If they're still in the basement in 4 or 5 years then it's time to panic but for now this is the cost of doing business.

The "culture" will be a hell of a lot better when the Sharks have not just Celebrini but another top-5 pick (potentially Schaefer) around

 

[TheBeard]

I agree. If Askarov plays really well, you have to let him keep the job.

They’d probably trade him to Colorado for Wedgewood.

 

[karltonian]

I think Mike wanted Georgiev to want to play against Colorado because any other goalie on our roster would have won that game.

I guarantee you this was not penciled as a win by anyone

 

[Tw1ster]

I think Mike wanted Georgiev to want to play against Colorado because any other goalie on our roster would have won that game.

I think any other goalie would have won as well but I’m not ready to say he was played with the intention of losing when it was his former team he had 80 wins with over the last couple of seasons. If he gets the next start however….

 

[TheBeard]

I mean the Avs didn't give us a 2nd and Kovalenko because Georgiev is a competitive NHL goalie at this time. Add up georgiev and kovalenko and that's the value of that move even before you consider the 2nd. even if you are keeping score like that it's not too much of a bummer.


honestly it was a decent game against a stacked team. they legit outshot them and had a chance to win it.

I’m fine with the trade. But playing Georgie for whatever reason sends a clear message to the players of what is expected of them this year.

 

[Chinaski89]

I don't even know what questions you can ask a goalie at a press conference where he didn't play well other than "Why the hell couldn't you have stopped one or more of those goals?"

I’ve seen some goalies fall on their sword. He literally blamed the team and by using mental and with how he appeared on camera it was like he was calling them stupid… which yeah, some of the D do seem to have low hockey IQ, but to say that after the team played a decent game and you let in two saveable goals to lose the game is pretty damning to me.

 

[TheBeard]

I think any other goalie would have won as well but I’m not ready to say he was played with the intention of losing when it was his former team he had 80 wins with over the last couple of seasons. If he gets the next start however….

I agree. He was played as an opportunity to show up his old team but everyone knew that wasn’t going to happen.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

Sharks fans should do a go fund me to fly Tony Deangelo to every sharks game to chirp WhoreGiev

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

If you legitimately thought that then you drank Mike's kool-aid.

My point is not about Mack leaving. Good on him. He deserved a chance to be on a contender. But, and I've said this numerous times, there is only ONE reason for Georgie to be getting any games and that's for losses. I would honestly rather they cut bait with Georgie, bring in someone else behind Vanacek (not Askarov). Everything about Georgie on and off the ice seems incredibly demoralizing.

No I get where you're coming from on Georgiev. I just don't agree that Grier acquired him strictly to lose games. This is not based on what Grier had to say - this is based on my general stance on goalies which is that they're fairly random and unpredictable and most prime-aged goalies who have a track record of decent play are reasonable bets to get back to that even if they haven't been doing it lately.

The data supports this stance and there is evidence to suggest that most NHL GMs are generally aligned with it. (For example, Martin Jones got 3 straight contracts from different NHL teams with playoff aspirations - two of whom actually made it - after we bought him out).

I agree that Georgiev appears to be rotten and needs to go. But I'm not convinced Grier saw it that way when acquiring or that Warsofsky sees it that way when playing him. And you do have to acknowledge that Vanecek's injury threw off the plans substantially.

 

[karltonian]

i dunno i guess i'm pretty positive about this game despite beanie not getting his point while michy also goose egged.

- they managed to legitimately outshoot the avs and carry a lead through a lot of the game
- will smith had a pretty good game outside of that disaster turnover
- celebrini had a pretty good game outside of that disaster turnover
- eklund had himself a GAME. he was all over the ice and effective.
- thrun looked serviceable
- rutta actually looked decent away from ferarro

 

[StrawHatEklund]

I think we’ve taken enough losses for the tank now. Hoping for 1-2 wins in the next 3-4 games. Happy with the Eklund goal and Grundstrom getting his 1st of the season. Celebrini was unlucky with that post and we probably should have scored once on the 6 vs 5. I thought we deserved OT but on to the Oilers.