PGT: Game 3: Canada 14 - Denmark 0

[admiralcadillac]

Then why didn't we pull the goalie? They weren't going to enter the offensives zone for the entire third period.

Goals for and goals against count - what's your point here?

 

[Reddwit]

hardly a straw man......

but ok what should canada have done?

I already addressed that in my original post.

Give your lesser players more time and experiment with combinations for preparedness in the event of an injury. If you have the extra man, put out a grinder as your 6th guy. If you get a PP, give some teeeners the chance to gain confidence.

Basically....do what all NHL teams do in a blowout by relative standards? No one is saying don’t flex your wrists after your 5th goal but I feel like guys like Entwistle put in enough work to be rewarded with 13 minutes of TOI after the game was 11-0.

 

[Alerion]

Brinkman somehow managed a +/- of 0 in 14:29 of ice-time in a 14-0 loss.

 

[nabob]

If so 10 is the limit for being a kid?

These kids play junior, or go to school or play in second or third rate leagues. They are not pros.

But maybe by running up the score we might get some of these Danish kids to simply quit and then its like the woman's game light.

That's what people are clamoring to see, games that are settled before the puck is dropped.

I'm just a little sad that as the Canadian players kept scoring and scoring that their idiot coach didn't take a time out so that the players could crotch chop the Danish bench. Or get dipietro to play backwards, carey price style.

Or hell since they couldn't even gain the zone we should have pulled the goalie up 14 becuase, again, hurr durrr goal differential.

Thanks but no.

I never said 10 is the limit, not sure why you would make such a stupid comment. Then follow it with even more ridiculousness.

Most of those “kids” are old enough to be drafted if there’s a war and able to play in men’s leagues. These aren’t delicate little snowflakes.

The point of the game and the tournament is to win. Goal differential matters.

 

[Hammer9001]

Then why didn't we pull the goalie? They weren't going to enter the offensives zone for the entire third period.

Because when your goalie is pulled, any player can score from their own defensive zone. It's a massive risk, and your goal differential is reduced the more goals against you suffer.

 

[Red Piller]

Then why didn't we pull the goalie? They weren't going to enter the offensives zone for the entire third period.

You dont have to enter the zone to score a goal?

 

[Ruok]

For all the people crapping on the Canadian team for not letting up, maybe the Danes can take a bit of responsiblity for their poor play and use this as a wake up call.

They played terribly. They were coached terribly. I know they are much less talented, but less talented teams play more talented teams all the time. If they would have played a good defensive system and not given up after the second goal, the score could have been respectable. The blow out is more on the Danes for giving up early than it should be on the Canadians for playing hard.

 

[A4T1L6]

stop making the players look like snowflakes. Every player has a game where they are destroyed. Just work your ass off next game and show how good you really are.

 

[VanJack]

Is it just my imagination or is the pyramid of world junior hockey getting more skewed, and top-heavy every year? Let's face it, in the preliminary round games there are just too many of these 14-0 beat-downs. Realistically only four teams--Canada, the U.S., Sweden, and the odd year Finland and Russia--have any hope of actually winning this tournament.

The rest of the teams are either playing to avoid relegation or expose a few of their more promising players to the scrutiny of scouts. That's really about it. I have no idea what the attendance will be like in southwestern B.C. this time around. But I can understand why this tournament basically bombed in Buffalo and is sparsely attended whenever they hold it in Europe.

Despite the never-ending TSN hype machine--this tournament needs some kind of shakeup.

 

[Rygu]

Brinkman somehow managed a +/- of 0 in 14:29 of ice-time in a 14-0 loss.

That reminds me of when Montreal lost either 10-1 or 9-1 yet Shea Weber was a +1 lol.

 

[AveryQuietMan]

I already addressed that in my original post.

Give your lesser players more time and experiment with combinations for preparedness in the event of an injury. If you have the extra man, put out a grinder as your 6th guy. If you get a PP, give some teeeners the chance to gain confidence.

Basically....do what all NHL teams do in a blowout by relative standards? No one is saying don’t flex your wrists after your 5th goal but I feel like guys like Entwistle put in enough work to be rewarded with 13 minutes of TOI after the game was 11-0.

they can gain confidence elsewhere. this is the pinnacle. not a time to play nice.......

your view on development is untested so guess we will wait for teams to go easy on others to see if it works. as it stands this is how you play on the world stage.

complain enough and you may get your way. but you will be watching the talent level plummet as well

 

[Alerion]

Is it just my imagination or is the pyramid of world junior hockey getting more skewed, and top-heavy every year? Let's face it, in the preliminary round games there are just too many of these 14-0 beat-downs. Realistically only four teams--Canada, the U.S., Sweden, and the odd year Finland and Russia--have any hope of actually winning this tournament.

The rest of the teams are either playing to avoid relegation or expose a few of their more promising players to the scrutiny of scouts. That's really about it. I have no idea what the attendance will be like in southwestern B.C. this time around. But I can understand why this tournament basically bombed in Buffalo and is sparsely attended whenever they hold it in Europe.

Despite the never-ending TSN hype machine--this tournament needs some kind of shakeup.

It's the reality of hockey, there just aren't enough strong nations. Like another poster said, 8 is a better size for this tournament because at least countries like Slovakia and Switzerland can hold their own and sometimes surprise the top nations. While Denmark is better than they showed today, they're not on that level yet.

 

[greasysnapper]

For all the people crapping on the Canadian team for not letting up, maybe the Danes can take a bit of responsiblity for their poor play and use this as a wake up call.

They played terribly. They were coached terribly. I know they are much less talented, but less talented teams play more talented teams all the time. If they would have played a good defensive system and not given up after the second goal, the score could have been respectable. The blow out is more on the Danes for giving up early than it should be on the Canadians for playing hard.

Big time disagree. There is a huge disparity between the two teams. No system, no hustle, no nothing could have made this anymore than a blowout. This Danish team didn't stand a chance.

 

[Reddwit]

did u just delete your profile pic of mcdavid lol

If that’s a joke, it went over my head. I’m a Wings fan who grew up on teams that were then packed with future HHOFers. I know a thing or two about being a fan of teams that can beat up on the little guy. I watched my NHL team set the record for wins in a season.

Personally, half my disgust with running up the score is that after a certain point, the majority of the opposition isn’t even trying anymore. You’re just twisting the blade at that point. Are there guys on the other team who will fight to the death? Sure. But plenty of guys throw in the towel. And all it takes is a handful of guys who have given up to further tilt things in your favor. Add that to the fact that the team is often inherently inferior to being in with and I’m not sure what the point is of maintaining status quo by then.

If you ask me, the reward for blowing out a team isn’t the pride or the individual points - it’s the opportunity to then use game time at your will - to give a potential boost to your tweener forwards, give PP time to that damn with hidden offensive potential, to experiment with a guy who is the backup to an injury-prone skater, etc. Its not to set up shop and boost the point totals of a top line that’s bent double shifted when the score is 9-0.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Is it just my imagination or is the pyramid of world junior hockey getting more skewed, and top-heavy every year? Let's face it, in the preliminary round games there are just too many of these 14-0 beat-downs. Realistically only four teams--Canada, the U.S., Sweden, and the odd year Finland and Russia--have any hope of actually winning this tournament.

The rest of the teams are either playing to avoid relegation or expose a few of their more promising players to the scrutiny of scouts. That's really about it. I have no idea what the attendance will be like in southwestern B.C. this time around. But I can understand why this tournament basically bombed in Buffalo and is sparsely attended whenever they hold it in Europe.

Despite the never-ending TSN hype machine--this tournament needs some kind of shakeup.

That isn't true at all. The tournament is coming closer together then it ever used to be. Games like this are far far more rare then they ever used to be and it isn't even close. Hell Denmark was in the quarters minutes away from a semi final in 2016. To say this tournament is getting less competitive is factually incorrect. 15 years ago the Finns didn't have much of a chance at all and Sweden was in the middle of a dead period where the almost got relegated. There are 5 legit threats to win year in year out and that isn't including a team like the Czechs who can make noise on good years.

As for the attendance the tournament this year is basically sold out and the one last year bombed because of over exposure in the southern Ontario region and trying to milk it until it went dry....and it went dry. I swear some people don't remember what this tournament actually came from.

 

[AveryQuietMan]

honest question..... how the hell did denmark even make it here? germany is way better.

 

[greasysnapper]

I already addressed that in my original post.

Give your lesser players more time and experiment with combinations for preparedness in the event of an injury. If you have the extra man, put out a grinder as your 6th guy. If you get a PP, give some teeeners the chance to gain confidence.

Basically....do what all NHL teams do in a blowout by relative standards? No one is saying don’t flex your wrists after your 5th goal but I feel like guys like Entwistle put in enough work to be rewarded with 13 minutes of TOI after the game was 11-0.

You can't do that in a short tournament though. Establishing chemistry early on in this tournament format, especially amongst players who don't have a rapport is a very important part in building a winning team. Sure you can spare the feelings of the Danes, but you also risk losing out on important line meshing.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Here's the thing, goal differential can make the difference on seeding in this tourney, and seeding can drastically effect the outcome of the tournament. If you are trying to win the tournament, it makes complete sense to feast on a weaker team as much as you can, in order to ensure that high goal differential. It's not pretty, it's not something that any team or coach relishes (I hope) but it is the right competitive call to make.

That's why my argument for preventing these kinds of blowouts is to reduce the size of the tourney, until the gap between the top 4 in the world and the 9-10th in the world, drastically shrinks.

Excellent point and really nothing else needs to be said.

But if one of these guys ends up close to an all-time wjc scoring record later on and didn’t go all out in games like this I think they’d look back and regret it.

 

[Red Piller]

If that’s a joke, it went over my head. I’m a Wings fan who grew up on teams that were then packed with future HHOFers. I know a thing or two about being a fan of teams that can beat up on the little guy. I watched my NHL team set the record for wins in a season.

Personally, half my disgust with running up the score is that after a certain point, the majority of the opposition isn’t even trying anymore. You’re just twisting the blade at that point. Are there guys on the other team who will fight to the death? Sure. But plenty of guys throw in the towel. And all it takes is a handful of guys who have given up to further tilt things in your favor. Add that to the fact that the team is often inherently inferior to being in with and I’m not sure what the point is of maintaining status quo by then.

If you ask me, the reward for blowing out a team isn’t the pride or the individual points - it’s the opportunity to then use game time at your will - to give a potential boost to your tweener forwards, give PP time to that damn with hidden offensive potential, to experiment with a guy who is the backup to an injury-prone skater, etc. Its not to set up shop and boost the point totals of a top line that’s bent double shifted when the score is 9-0.

So when the Danes run up the score in relegation i want to see some posts from you saying how awful it is.

 

[greasysnapper]

honest question..... how the hell did denmark even make it here? germany is way better.

Solid 96's, 97's and 98's. That's the issue with some of these smaller hockey nations and a tournament format like this. You can have some really great teams that just never make it just based on the previous teams relegation. Kazakhstan for example, I actually think is good enough to knock the Slovaks into relegation this year. But next year without Gatiyatov, Yeremeyev, or the Daniyar's there's not a chance they can maintain even if they did pull out a major upset this year. There's no momentum building for these smaller nations.

 

[Reddwit]

they can gain confidence elsewhere. this is the pinnacle. not a time to play nice.......

your view on development is untested so guess we will wait for teams to go easy on others to see if it works. as it stands this is how you play on the world stage.

complain enough and you may get your way. but you will be watching the talent level plummet as well

How is my view untested when it’s literally how most players outside of the elite prospects are dealt with as they progress to the next level? You ease most young players into their future role by taking on lesser assignments as they transition and use moments like this opportunistically to help them take the next step.

I’m not sure why you think that’s revolutionary when literally every NHL team operates this way when they have raw offensive prospects on the roster in games that are out of reach.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Solid 96's, 97's and 98's. That's the issue with some of these smaller hockey nations and a tournament format like this. You can have some really great teams that just never make it just based on the previous teams relegation. Kazakhstan for example, I actually think is good enough to knock the Slovaks into relegation this year. But next year without Gatiyatov, Yeremeyev, or the Daniyar's there's not a chance they can maintain even if they did pull out a major upset this year. There's no momentum building for these smaller nations.

Yeah exactly I mean Denmark was literally minutes from making a semi final in 2016. They have earned their spot in this tournament the last 5 years....The talent has just dropped off.

 

[Ruok]

Big time disagree. There is a huge disparity between the two teams. No system, no hustle, no nothing could have made this anymore than a blowout. This Danish team didn't stand a chance.

I'm not saying they could have won the game, but there was a major difference in their team after the second goal. This game absolutely could have been closer.

 

[A4T1L6]

If that’s a joke, it went over my head. I’m a Wings fan who grew up on teams that were then packed with future HHOFers. I know a thing or two about being a fan of teams that can beat up on the little guy. I watched my NHL team set the record for wins in a season.

Personally, half my disgust with running up the score is that after a certain point, the majority of the opposition isn’t even trying anymore. You’re just twisting the blade at that point. Are there guys on the other team who will fight to the death? Sure. But plenty of guys throw in the towel. And all it takes is a handful of guys who have given up to further tilt things in your favor. Add that to the fact that the team is often inherently inferior to being in with and I’m not sure what the point is of maintaining status quo by then.

If you ask me, the reward for blowing out a team isn’t the pride or the individual points - it’s the opportunity to then use game time at your will - to give a potential boost to your tweener forwards, give PP time to that damn with hidden offensive potential, to experiment with a guy who is the backup to an injury-prone skater, etc. Its not to set up shop and boost the point totals of a top line that’s bent double shifted when the score is 9-0.

Im going to let the coaching staff do what they want think is best for their team. They are the professionals, not us. If coach wants his star player out there scoring every shift, so be it. In the end its all about the glory, not the little nitpicking that might make a small change or whatnot.

 

[Hammer9001]

Is it just my imagination or is the pyramid of world junior hockey getting more skewed, and top-heavy every year? Let's face it, in the preliminary round games there are just too many of these 14-0 beat-downs. Realistically only four teams--Canada, the U.S., Sweden, and the odd year Finland and Russia--have any hope of actually winning this tournament.

The rest of the teams are either playing to avoid relegation or expose a few of their more promising players to the scrutiny of scouts. That's really about it. I have no idea what the attendance will be like in southwestern B.C. this time around. But I can understand why this tournament basically bombed in Buffalo and is sparsely attended whenever they hold it in Europe.

Despite the never-ending TSN hype machine--this tournament needs some kind of shakeup.

I don't think it's your imagination, I just think that junior hockey has always been skewed. Canada, Russia and Sweden have always been the top three, and the US while I bit late to the party, they have always had some of the worlds top sports infrastructure due to the NCAA.

I mean look at this medal table we are somehow expecting teams that can't seem to consistently past the teams with barely any medals, to somehow get past teams with tens of medals? It's crazy. What should happen is the tournament should also go back to the old round robin format, like the rest of the sporting world. 8 teams, round robin, everyone plays each other, best record takes the tournament.