Post-Game Talk: Game #29 - Time to face facts - This is not a good hockey team - Leafs 4 BRUINS 1 F

[northeastern]

Anyone think CJ's seat is getting hotter and hotter..?

 

[BruinsFan1990]

Anyone think CJ's seat is getting hotter and hotter..?

Yes, and its going to reach boiling point at the end of next week.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

whatever

 

[Aeroforce]

I wish I shared his confidence that things are going to come around. The scoring ineptitude has manifested long enough that it's more than the B's being snake-bitten or opposing goalies having great nights.

Numerous shots miss the net, others go right into the goalie's chest, Chara decides to throw the the knuckle ball instead of the fastball, etc. Pastrnak has been a godsend, but it's doubtful he can maintain this pace.

One general note, the entertainment value of some of these games is close to nil. I feel cheated just investing a few hours watching; I definitely feel for those who also invested good money to attend.

 

[toasterjam]

Yes, and its going to reach boiling point at the end of next week.

Im genuinely nervous.

I like Clode, grateful for everything he has done this decade!!! He is an amazing hockey mind and coach, defensive genius.

Change in any respect can be scary with the unknown of what comes next.

and Im not so sure I have that much confidence in the higher ups running the show to make good decisions.

I get the pro Clode fans who are scared of the change and of the potential of what could come next...the struggle...things getting worse.

Clode is a safe figure...we see how franchises who are a mess..and maybe that is where we are headed...maybe that's where we already are and just dont see it or want to admit it? who knows.

Change is inevitable.

 

[finchster]

Bruins are lucky that their division is weak and might sneak into the playoffs. But one would think that Tampa would is playing well below potential

 

[BruinDust]

I wish I shared his confidence that things are going to come around. The scoring ineptitude has manifested long enough that it's more than the B's being snake-bitten or opposing goalies having great nights.

Numerous shots miss the net, others go right into the goalie's chest, Chara decides to throw the the knuckle ball instead of the fastball, etc. Pastrnak has been a godsend, but it's doubtful he can maintain this pace.

One general note, the entertainment value of some of these games is close to nil. I feel cheated just investing a few hours watching; I definitely feel for those who also invested good money to attend.

I was going to invest in NHL gamecenter on a month-to-month basis, but I can't bring myself to do it.

Watching this team try the same ***** over, and over, and over, for over 2 years now, it's maddening, I can't justify spending money on this lousy Bruins product, even just to watch it online out-of-market.

This team must lead the league by now in games where they have scored 2 goals or less. They must.

 

[Gordoff]

It's sad that a franchise that was mentioned in the same sentence with Chicago Blackhawks and Los Angeles Kings as the dominant dynasty franchises of recent times has fallen to facing a 3rd consecutive season missing the playoffs, and potentially a 4th or more afterwards. There's nobody else to blame than the incompetent management team. Whatever they did was wrong. They failed. The proof is in the pudding. They mismanaged their assets and misread the development of the game. How guys like Cam still keep their jobs is evidence to the fact that ownership really doesn't care.

THIS in a nutshell! What actually does Cam do except act as a stop-gap to Donnie Sweeney? Is he insurance to make sure that DS doesn't make a major mistake or move because if that's the case why didn't he (ancient history, I know) veto the Seguin trade? So back to that brilliant question, "what the ****** does Cam Neely do besides go to games for free, eat a donut or 9 for free, park his Lincoln for free and use the facilities....for free? PLUS, he actually gets a ****** paycheck!?!?!?!

Agreed, Pitts was horrible, leaf fans laughed at how bad Kessel was performing, people thought Sid was done. Sully came in, they added a few fast players and brought up some skilled youth. The adapted to the new NHL and without the full time services of Letang, Malkin and Fleury. Thats like no Rask, Chara and Bergeron, let that sink in.

I do not expect a cup, thats crazy but at least play an better brand of hockey and we need a better tactical coach for the influx of highly skilled players from the drafts. Seems to me Montreal and the Devils went on to good things after Claude was fired. Before someone says he will be hired with an hour good luck go ahead have at it. Also there is no one out there better, well that was a great search, look for 1 second bury your head and re-live 2011.

I for one want to see the team challenge again with some gusto, not watch them fade away slowly without grooming the next core like this one was allowed too. I was a fan longer then Claude every even thought about coaching a fan long after he is gone. What I wish for is to not be ground hog day for the last 3 years. I did not wish for this boring, predictable shiite, who did

Until Pitts hired Mike Sullivan I was hoping that the Bruins would give him another chance by firing Claude and giving Sully a second shot. No such luck of that happening now.
IF they fire CJ they will just move all of the assistant coach up a rung. IOW, Cassidy or Sad Sack Sacco will be the next head coach to finish off any hope that this team may have had.

Clode is an excellent coach, one of the best, but he's not the coach that the Bruins need right now. I'm a firm believer in bottoming out at least one season for the high draft picks. Julien prevents any team from doing that because his system will make any bunch of untalented grinders a middle of the pack borderline playoff team.

Every last one of us on this board knows the Bruins won't win the cup this year, nor make it out of the first round of playoffs if they even get there, so why not just throw the year, give our prospects ice time, play some run and gun hockey with high entertainment value, miss the playoffs by a mile, get the top draft picks, and play a lot better next year? Do we really have to watch this Claude Julien grinding anti-hockey for another full year with a no-hope team just to miss the playoffs by about 4 points? Is that the achievement we're shooting for? Really?

But, But, but Jeremy Jacobs said that he EXPECTS the team to "go deep in the playoffs?" I believe him!

 

[BruinsFan1990]

Im genuinely nervous.

I like Clode, grateful for everything he has done this decade!!! He is an amazing hockey mind and coach, defensive genius.

Change in any respect can be scary with the unknown of what comes next.

and Im not so sure I have that much confidence in the higher ups running the show to make good decisions.

I get the pro Clode fans who are scared of the change and of the potential of what could come next...the struggle...things getting worse.

Clode is a safe figure...we see how franchises who are a mess..and maybe that is where we are headed...maybe that's where we already are and just dont see it or want to admit it? who knows.

Change is inevitable.

Whats even scarier imo is the continuation of a mediocre team, finishing with the 14th overall pick for the 3rd year in a row. Something has got to give.

 

[BBB24]

I honestly have no idea what the Florida situation is..sorry for my ignorance. Was just using them as an example.

I just assumed it's within the GM's power to fire a coach.

So if Don wanted Clode gone he could have just fired him this offseason, skip the entire "assemble a roster guaranteed to fail" step and instead assemble a roster to be competitive with a new coach in place.

I just think Sweeney tried to create something..and it's failing and he isnt making moves, completely holding him accountable for not bringing in quality guys.

The guys on the team that we KNOW can be better arent giving the effort or injured (bergy?)

and coaching staff could be better?

again I'm no hockey genius but that's what I'm seeing.

or I guess this is all part of the elaborate plan...make a very bad bruins team so we can finally rid ourselves of CLODE!! seems like a lot more work..having to hand out all these contracts to bad players just so we can fire Clode.

Did Sweeney sign Backes, Nash, Liles, Beleskey, Hayes, resign Mcquaid/K.Miller etc etc to all help in the assassination of Clode?

because I guess it's working.

And I do completely agree with your critic of Sweeney...he has made some mistakes assembling this roster.

You are making up the fact that I am saying Sweeney made this roster with the sole intention to fire Claude. What I said was if he doesn't make changes and soon it is obvious he doesn't care about the season, coach or fans, in a nut shell. I hate to believe Sweeney thought he had a roster to compete, I have to believe he is smarter than that, if I am wrong, then he was the wrong man for the job, I still believe he is the right man for the job. Yes coaches have to take some responsibility, but they can't score, also Claude is pretty limited to line shuffling due to what he has to work with. No issues with Bergy, none, his line is the only one producing, he doesn't need to score, just win face offs, play strong defensively and let the other two score, which is what is happening. It is the remainder of the forward group that suck, badly. The GM provides the coach with the roster, the coach has to work with what he is given, I am just amazed that they remain three games over 500 with this group, of course due mainly to one line and Rask. I hope they leave the coach alone or at least until they give him something to work with before pulling the plug. At the start of the season all Bs fans were worried about the dmen, thankfully Carlo is proving the scouts right and we have to admit the remainder are at least holding their own for the most part. I cannot remember ever seeing such a weak bottom six on this team. Just no talent there to work with with the ecxception of Moore, they could keep Nash on the fourth line but they need other options and soon, or this entire forward group are going to just quit, you can see the disention starting to set in now.

 

[BruinDust]

Im genuinely nervous.

I like Clode, grateful for everything he has done this decade!!! He is an amazing hockey mind and coach, defensive genius.

Change in any respect can be scary with the unknown of what comes next.

and Im not so sure I have that much confidence in the higher ups running the show to make good decisions.

I get the pro Clode fans who are scared of the change and of the potential of what could come next...the struggle...things getting worse.

Clode is a safe figure...we see how franchises who are a mess..and maybe that is where we are headed...maybe that's where we already are and just dont see it or want to admit it? who knows.

Change is inevitable.

We'll need a reverse Florida for that to happen.

Jacobs loves Claude Julien, the man who is very much responsible for bringing Jacobs his only Cup win as owner.

Sweeney, Neely, and Charlie Jr. will have to convince the owner to allow them to fire Julien, because I don't believe Jacobs. Sr. will ever call for his head.

They've lost 3 in a row, and it's not inconceivable that they could be 1-6 in their last 7 by the time they finish playing LA a week from tomorrow.

My prediction is Julien survives, and the lines and PP units will remain intact for the duration.

 

[toasterjam]

You are making up the fact that I am saying Sweeney made this roster with the sole intention to fire Claude. What I said was if he doesn't make changes and soon it is obvious he doesn't care about the season, coach or fans, in a nut shell. I hate to believe Sweeney thought he had a roster to compete, I have to believe he is smarter than that, if I am wrong, then he was the wrong man for the job, I still believe he is the right man for the job. Yes coaches have to take some responsibility, but they can't score, also Claude is pretty limited to line shuffling due to what he has to work with. No issues with Bergy, none, his line is the only one producing, he doesn't need to score, just win face offs, play strong defensively and let the other two score, which is what is happening. It is the remainder of the forward group that suck, badly. The GM provides the coach with the roster, the coach has to work with what he is given, I am just amazed that they remain three games over 500 with this group, of course due mainly to one line and Rask. I hope they leave the coach alone or at least until they give him something to work with before pulling the plug. At the start of the season all Bs fans were worried about the dmen, thankfully Carlo is proving the scouts right and we have to admit the remainder are at least holding their own for the most part. I cannot remember ever seeing such a weak bottom six on this team. Just no talent there to work with with the ecxception of Moore, they could keep Nash on the fourth line but they need other options and soon, or this entire forward group are going to just quit, you can see the disention starting to set in now.

yea I think most people here agree with you...we need better effort from the guys we DO have and Sweeney needs to acquire some better players too..and the coaches need to be better.


Just thought your comment that "IF Sweeney doesnt do this" that means he was "creating a roster guaranteed to fail in order to get Clode fired"

That's why I said I agree with you on x,y,z and bolded and the part of your post that I thought was ridiculous.

I don't wanna let the players off the hook..there is talent there, almost all of them are not playing any where CLOSE to their potential..making it a lot harder on Clode and clearly whatever Clode is telling them...isnt working to motivate them?

I just don't think if Sweeney doesnt make some moves...then it follows that Sweeney assembled a roster that was guaranteed to lose just so he can fire Clode.

I think that's silly and explained why.

 

[toasterjam]

Whats even scarier imo is the continuation of a mediocre team, finishing with the 14th overall pick for the 3rd year in a row. Something has got to give.

agreed...I think that would be like being trapped in purgatory right?

eternally trapped in a waiting room...waiting for things to get better...waiting for the goals to come.

I am a patient boy, I wait I wait I wait I wait

some fugazi for ya

 

[BBB24]

Bruins top 4 forwards are good. Bruins bottom 3 forwards are fine. The middle sucks. Can adding Senyshyn, JFK, Vatrano, DeBrusk and Heinen to that middle group over the next year change that?

Top four forwards are good no arguement there, but bottom three, nope, Moore is the only NHL level player there. People believe Vatrano will make a difference, I doubt it, hope he does but just don't see him as a top line left winger which is what hey need. Heinen needs a full year in the AHL and ZS, JFK and DeBrusk will have to prove they belong, they are very young.

 

[Boston Bruno]

Their home record over the past 2 years is horrendous,

 

[BruinsFan1990]

Ive had my eye on Jeff Skinner for a while. He would fit perfectly with Krejci. What would it take to get him?

 

[BBB24]

We'll need a reverse Florida for that to happen.

Jacobs loves Claude Julien, the man who is very much responsible for bringing Jacobs his only Cup win as owner.

Sweeney, Neely, and Charlie Jr. will have to convince the owner to allow them to fire Julien, because I don't believe Jacobs. Sr. will ever call for his head.

They've lost 3 in a row, and it's not inconceivable that they could be 1-6 in their last 7 by the time they finish playing LA a week from tomorrow.

My prediction is Julien survives, and the lines and PP units will remain intact for the duration.

It is also conceivable that they end up 4-3, I doubt it but not impossible, if some changes are made it would be more likely. I think the owner is smart enough to realize that firing the coach won't make a difference without a roster overhaul, so why pay a guy over a million a year to sit at home, and another guy whatever amount to get the same results. Jacobs is a business man and didn't get to where he is by being stupid with his money.

 

[BruinDust]

It is also conceivable that they end up 4-3, I doubt it but not impossible, if some changes are made it would be more likely. I think the owner is smart enough to realize that firing the coach won't make a difference without a roster overhaul, so why pay a guy over a million a year to sit at home, and another guy whatever amount to get the same results. Jacobs is a business man and didn't get to where he is by being stupid with his money.

Your not actually serious with this comment.

If Jacobs wanted Julien gone, he would be.

He doesn't, so he's not.

Jacobs wouldn't know a good roster from a bad one if it slapped him in the face.

It's pretty cut and dry. And considering most acknowledge Julien would find employment coaching another NHL in very short order (and thus no longer be receiving a paycheck from the Bruins once he's hired elsewhere), the cost to fire Julien is/would be inconsequential if firing Julien is what they wanted.

Even during the dark days in the mid-90s-early 2000s, having to pay two coaches at once was never a concern for Jacobs if he wanted that coach gone.

The only thing that will sway Jacobs to fire Julien is a sea of empty black and gold seats at the TD Garden.

 

[Ladyfan]

Long drive home.

Not a fun game. Tuukka and the Hobbit were pissed off.

The Habs scored many goals tonight...I think we play them next

It was nice to meet HooperDrivestheBoat (Mark). Nice guy ! Also good to see DKH and Julia !

I am happy the next two are away.

 

[BBB24]

Your not actually serious with this comment.

If Jacobs wanted Julien gone, he would be.

He doesn't, so he's not.

Jacobs wouldn't know a good roster from a bad one if it slapped him in the face.

It's pretty cut and dry. And considering most acknowledge Julien would find employment coaching another NHL in very short order (and thus no longer be receiving a paycheck from the Bruins once he's hired elsewhere), the cost to fire Julien is/would be inconsequential if firing Julien is what they wanted.

Even during the dark days in the mid-90s-early 2000s, having to pay two coaches at once was never a concern for Jacobs if he wanted that coach gone.

The only thing that will sway Jacobs to fire Julien is a sea of empty black and gold seats at the TD Garden.

Ya I am serious, I know you for some reason hate the guy, but I am not on that cart as I have never met him, and due to the fact he allows the GM to spend to the cap I have no reason to hate him. Of course he would fire him if he wanted to, but like I said who is going to come in and do a better job with what they have to work with, NO ONE. Jacobs knows this and he probably knows as much about the game as you do, he has been involved for awhile at a pretty high level, not sure what your experience is at that same level so cannot comment on it. But to say the guy wouldn't know a good roster from a bad one is a bit shortsighted. Yes he stated he expects to go deep into the playoffs, why wouldn't he, how many season tickets does he sell if he states, "we will be crap this year but should be back on track in a few years".

 

[Fenway]

Long drive home.

Not a fun game. Tuukka and the Hobbit were pissed off.

The Habs scored many goals tonight...I think we play them next

It was nice to meet HooperDrivestheBoat (Mark). Nice guy ! Also good to see DKH and Julia !

I am happy the next two are away.

Terrible vibe tonight - Tough 4 games coming up and our best shot at a win might be against Los Angeles.

 

[BruinDust]

Ya I am serious, I know you for some reason hate the guy, but I am not on that cart as I have never met him, and due to the fact he allows the GM to spend to the cap I have no reason to hate him. Of course he would fire him if he wanted to, but like I said who is going to come in and do a better job with what they have to work with, NO ONE. Jacobs knows this and he probably knows as much about the game as you do, he has been involved for awhile at a pretty high level, not sure what your experience is at that same level so cannot comment on it. But to say the guy wouldn't know a good roster from a bad one is a bit shortsighted. Yes he stated he expects to go deep into the playoffs, why so lent he, how many season tickets does he sell if he states, "we will be crap this year but should be back on track in a few years".

I'm not worried about some fluff statements about making the playoffs, your right, that's just selling/marketing jargon, I'd expect no less.

But you can bet your last dollar that Julien still being the head coach has nothing to do with Jacobs believing his roster sucks and his coach has done all he can and no other coach could possibly make it better.

How do you explain all the times he fired his coaches before, or are you one of those post-2011 fans who didn't experience the coaching carousel this franchise had going for most of the 80s/90s/2000s.

Because some of those rosters were flat out awful, and miles worse than this one.

 

[BruinsFan1990]

Ya I am serious, I know you for some reason hate the guy, but I am not on that cart as I have never met him, and due to the fact he allows the GM to spend to the cap I have no reason to hate him. Of course he would fire him if he wanted to, but like I said who is going to come in and do a better job with what they have to work with, NO ONE. Jacobs knows this and he probably knows as much about the game as you do, he has been involved for awhile at a pretty high level, not sure what your experience is at that same level so cannot comment on it. But to say the guy wouldn't know a good roster from a bad one is a bit shortsighted. Yes he stated he expects to go deep into the playoffs, why wouldn't he, how many season tickets does he sell if he states, "we will be crap this year but should be back on track in a few years".

Not sure how you can know this. But yeah, lets keep on finishing just out of the playoffs.

 

[vjcsmoke]

All this excuse making for Sweeney and Clode.

The whole house needs to be swept clean.
Enough excuses.

Neither the GM who shops for the groceries, nor the coach who manages those groceries are getting the job done.

End of season, everyone needs to go!

Sweeney is the right man for the job? That's really rich considering the string of bad moves and most importantly the lack of results for the past 3 years now.

This team simply isn't good enough.

And that won't change until everything changes.

Fear of change is what is stopping us from making a change. Really, you're willing to accept more regular season futility and no postseason action again? Well I'm not.

Get rid of the whole stinking nest of snakes! Boston needs a fresh start - that goes from the top all the way to the bottom!

You are making up the fact that I am saying Sweeney made this roster with the sole intention to fire Claude. What I said was if he doesn't make changes and soon it is obvious he doesn't care about the season, coach or fans, in a nut shell. I hate to believe Sweeney thought he had a roster to compete, I have to believe he is smarter than that, if I am wrong, then he was the wrong man for the job, I still believe he is the right man for the job. Yes coaches have to take some responsibility, but they can't score, also Claude is pretty limited to line shuffling due to what he has to work with.

 

[Pia8988]

All this excuse making for Sweeney and Clode.

The whole house needs to be swept clean.
Enough excuses.

Neither the GM who shops for the groceries, nor the coach who manages those groceries are getting the job done.

End of season, everyone needs to go!

Sweeney is the right man for the job? That's really rich considering the string of bad moves and most importantly the lack of results for the past 3 years now.

This team simply isn't good enough.

And that won't change until everything changes.

Fear of change is what is stopping us from making a change. Really, you're willing to accept more regular season futility and no postseason action again? Well I'm not.

Get rid of the whole stinking nest of snakes! Boston needs a fresh start - that goes from the top all the way to the bottom!

Sweeney has been GM for less than 2 years