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Post-Game Talk: Game #29 - Time to face facts - This is not a good hockey team - Leafs 4 BRUINS 1 F
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TheBigBadB
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Bruins are stuck in the middle..Not as bad as some claim and not as good. The fact that NESN is trying so hard to pretend they are better than last year is infuriating though. Fans are not dumb, we are exactly the same as last season. Just switch some stats around
The only good thing so far has been Pasta and Carlo. These are future building blocks of this team. Don't care if DoMo is having a good season or any other player like Nash. They are utility guys. Get them after you establish a new core.
As long as the front office has playoff hopes then they don't care how the team is being coached or development of players. I am positive if they are close to playoffs Don will trade some picks for mediocre upgrades to try to squeak in.
Julien doesn't care about development of players as much as making sure his system is being observed. I think both C Miller and Morrow have shown they both can play, but Julien will continue to roll out safe stay at homers because in the end he is playing averages. If he can limit a team to one or two goals a game then they have a better chance of winning.
Problem is his offense strategy is basically throw any shot at the net and pray. That is why they are among league leaders in shots but not goals. No creativity, just shoot, crash and pray. Other than Pasta how many players on this team absolutely bury clean shots?
And I don't want to even get into agreesiveness and intimidation. Other than Noel no one on this team bothers checking anymore from the offense. Just constant flybys. There use to be scrumbs all the time in front of our goalie and that hardly happens now too.
In the end it's not a team right now. I just don't see togetherness from front office on down to the players.
The only good thing so far has been Pasta and Carlo. These are future building blocks of this team. Don't care if DoMo is having a good season or any other player like Nash. They are utility guys. Get them after you establish a new core.
As long as the front office has playoff hopes then they don't care how the team is being coached or development of players. I am positive if they are close to playoffs Don will trade some picks for mediocre upgrades to try to squeak in.
Julien doesn't care about development of players as much as making sure his system is being observed. I think both C Miller and Morrow have shown they both can play, but Julien will continue to roll out safe stay at homers because in the end he is playing averages. If he can limit a team to one or two goals a game then they have a better chance of winning.
Problem is his offense strategy is basically throw any shot at the net and pray. That is why they are among league leaders in shots but not goals. No creativity, just shoot, crash and pray. Other than Pasta how many players on this team absolutely bury clean shots?
And I don't want to even get into agreesiveness and intimidation. Other than Noel no one on this team bothers checking anymore from the offense. Just constant flybys. There use to be scrumbs all the time in front of our goalie and that hardly happens now too.
In the end it's not a team right now. I just don't see togetherness from front office on down to the players.
CharasLazyWrister
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I completely agree with this statement.
Solution to every problem with Julien, and whoever is on his coaching staff at the time, is "play the system". It really bothers me.
Hali33
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If there really was a "playoffs or else" mandate to the season you have to wonder how long "things will come around" will be tolerable. With a third of the season complete things don't seem to be coming around. In fact, it's going to get harder as Rask occassionally plays like a human and the GA goes up and the competition gets harder. These blown losses are really going to hurt later on and no one knows better than these players after the last 2 seasons. But its still happening again.
There's a few individual players having success but as a team they don't seem to be gelling. I don't know what's injury, straight up poor play or a need for a different guy behind the bench. But it likely does not look good that big money players on this team are looking ordinary and inconsistent out there and the lines are still problematic.
There's a few individual players having success but as a team they don't seem to be gelling. I don't know what's injury, straight up poor play or a need for a different guy behind the bench. But it likely does not look good that big money players on this team are looking ordinary and inconsistent out there and the lines are still problematic.
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TheBigBadB
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Especially since the players coming through the pipeline are speedy with skill. These guys will push the pace and develop more off the rush offense...but I don't think Julien will ever really adapt to that.
TheBigBadB
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That is the one thing that is good with an outside coach. Veterans are now competing for their jobs. A new coach could come in and break up Marchand and Bergeron, or put Backes as third liner center. Cut out Miller or Mcquaid. Fact remains they won't be safe and comfortable. I think that is needed with this group
TheBigBadB
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He did in the first period but wore out fast. Definitely should get a couple more games, but its going to be tough with the upcoming schedule. Its definitely throwing him into the fire
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Julien is the head coach of an NHL team. His primary function is to win games now, not to develop players that might help the next coach. I won't ever get frustrated that a coach puts the emphasis on winning now instead of worrying about 2 years from now.
Ideally the coach would be responsible for, and focused on, both but I think it's obvious that Claude knows that if he fails now he won't be here to reap the benefits of that development.
TheBigBadB
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Then Claude and Don aren't on the same page. Don talks about changing the system and being faster yet they are head deep in Juliens system right now. So either Don is just playing to the masses or Julien is ignoring Sweeney. Either way it seems that the whole front office down to the coach is dysfunctional
The thing that is killing the team this year is they are not scoring consistently. The top players are not scoring like top players, with the exception of one. And until they do the team will struggle.
The defense and starting goaltending has vastly improved from last year. Though i would prefer C. Miller and Morrow play constantly and alternate K. Miller and McQuaid.
But overall they are about where I expected they would as a team a this point. (Read my post in the predict where they will finish thread .)
Still a long way to go and many games to play. I will be most interested in seeing what happens between Christmas and the trade deadline.
The defense and starting goaltending has vastly improved from last year. Though i would prefer C. Miller and Morrow play constantly and alternate K. Miller and McQuaid.
But overall they are about where I expected they would as a team a this point. (Read my post in the predict where they will finish thread .)
Still a long way to go and many games to play. I will be most interested in seeing what happens between Christmas and the trade deadline.
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CharasLazyWrister
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I have always had concerns about CJ's ability to adapt. He has shown an adherence to a system over the years, which he was extremely vocal about until recent years (which I would to have to imagine is the result of taking heat for the failure of it...)
If Claude's goal is to win games now and not to develop players (I get the notion, even I am not fully on board with it...), he hasn't done a great job the last couple of seasons considering they have lost games at the absolute worst possible times. The complaints that I have this season (lack of a strong forecheck, clear lack of practice on odd man rushes, the D has admittedly looked slightly better this year) are the same ones I have had for the last three.
I think yesterday's press conference said a lot. When a media member suggests the idea of switching up his lines, he doesn't have an interest in hearing it. "Well, we can talk about switching lines all day, but we just have to score more goals". Okay, yeah....and how you gonna do it? It feels like instead of troubleshooting, instead of adapting, the answer will once again be "just play the system harder" as it seemingly has been for years.
I am just tired of it. Some folks want to stall as much as possible on the idea of replacing CJ with questions of "well, who are we going to replace him with? I don't see anyone out there" or "what, you think we're just going to win the Cup now?" No. What I'm saying is the guy has been here a long time. Enough time to rack up the most wins for a coach in franchise history. But, you know what? No matter how much some fans want to think it, he's not Belichick. He's not the Almighty father. His weaknesses have shown time and time again and on year three, and when (despite what the Jacobs family wants to admit) we are in transition, now is the time to make a serious change.
Claude was good for the Old Bruins. If we really want to turn the page, it's time for a new philosophy to wake the old guys and energize the ones coming into the system. I'm not interested in every prospect being turned into the ideal Claude player.
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Over under on how many years until management sees this fact. Will a third year of no playoffs start the proper rebuild or do they then push harder to make a buck right now?
All things being equal, weaknesses being pointed out have gone on as long as Claude has been here. A younger more talented team at times masked a lot of the complaints people are now pointing at as obvious the past three years.
Poor drafting for many years and trading away a number 2 pick has left the team with a talent gap (until the recent draft picks mature) has resulted in needing to fill that gap with what was available and willing to sign here via FA. Not an excuse it is a reality - you can't build muscle as quickly if you don't have the proper nutrients.
Poor drafting for many years and trading away a number 2 pick has left the team with a talent gap (until the recent draft picks mature) has resulted in needing to fill that gap with what was available and willing to sign here via FA. Not an excuse it is a reality - you can't build muscle as quickly if you don't have the proper nutrients.
Hamilton Brian
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Let's imagine this, however. What was Julien's role as a coach with Team Canada? It was a team stacked with talent. Did it impact how he coached? I know he wasn't HC, but he still had opportunities to put his opinion out there. Can we assume that with an effective line-up, Julien's coaching wouldn't come under fire? If we accept that assumption, then the finger needs to point to Sweely.
There are a number of things that need to change; first Sacco has to go he has been a loser everywhere he has been and can't run a PP to save his life, can him bring in Oates for that role. Julien is a good defensive coach hence why Canada had him on the staff, but as a head coach he does not play to win, rather he plays not to lose and that is a big difference. They need a fresh voice in the room and I think Gallant could be the guy, he still wants good D played, but allows the offensive players to play their game as well.
As for on ice personnel, they simply need to get rid of the likes of Hayes, Nash, at least one of McQuaid or K Miller and an upgrade on Khudobin, until all these things happen we are never going to contend. We need to bring in maybe one more top 4 D, but also a couple more guys that can score, Spooner would be one player I would use as bait to try and land a winger with potential for scoring, after that in the right deal I would look at even moving Backes or Krejci for a legit scoring winger.
As for on ice personnel, they simply need to get rid of the likes of Hayes, Nash, at least one of McQuaid or K Miller and an upgrade on Khudobin, until all these things happen we are never going to contend. We need to bring in maybe one more top 4 D, but also a couple more guys that can score, Spooner would be one player I would use as bait to try and land a winger with potential for scoring, after that in the right deal I would look at even moving Backes or Krejci for a legit scoring winger.
Sweeney been here 1.5 years and he gets blamed for the lack of talent? Suggest you look at what is in the system as far as prospects now and compare it to the prospects Peter drafted and left the team with. Give Sweeney his 5 year window to build /rebuild a winner.
TheBigBadB
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Not a huge fan of Juliens methods but I understand what makes him successful. He plays on averages. Keeping teams to low scoring and throw everything in the offensive zone at the net. I get it, but it's not the only way to coach. You have to look at your personal and adjust. There is none with Julien, you play his system and that's it. Creativity is definitely frowned upon because he is going to sit you if you make a play that backfires and goes against his way.
He was not the head coach of Team Canada and its a dream team to begin with so in no way does that count.
Post game thread
The majority of teams today have a very fine line between success and failure. Bottom six players are largely a weak overall group around the league. A team getting good play from that group is more the exception than the rule. It's the reality of, among other factors, the combination of a salary cap and the rush to get young players into the league largely because they afford you a more cost effective option while the more elite players eat up large amounts of cap dollars. As Kelly Hudrey of HNIC spoke to last night, the expectation of many in the hockey world, is for young talented players to be fully ready for success when entering the league because they come with so much hype. Much of it totally unrealistic for this young stage of a career. Yes exceptions do exist, Carlo as an example.
When the elites are performing well the flaws of others get masked and the spot light is not shown on them every game. If that was happening at the moment in Boston all would be right in the hockey world. The best players will often work their way out of funks. The length of a funk for any team can take you from the penthouse to the outhouse quickly. Another example to illustrate that is to examine what has happened in Calgary to this stage of the season.
Much of this may sound familiar to the situation a Bruins team now finds it self in the moment. Food for thought.
Consider the many peaks and valleys that come for most if not all teams in the league during the course of a season. It's a long, long season. Columbus as an example got off to a mediocre start at 4 and 4. There was ample chatter and frustration with how they were playing. Offense was really off, defensive play a questionand and of course Torts fueding with key players like Saad who could not seem to do anything right. They now stand at 17-5-4. Bobrovsky playing at an incredible level this year held them in games they should not have one especially early on. It has fallen into place for them to have a terrific run in a relatively short amount of tome. That does not mean they won't hit a significant skid again. Might even hit a few before it's over. It's likely not if but when.
The majority of teams today have a very fine line between success and failure. Bottom six players are largely a weak overall group around the league. A team getting good play from that group is more the exception than the rule. It's the reality of, among other factors, the combination of a salary cap and the rush to get young players into the league largely because they afford you a more cost effective option while the more elite players eat up large amounts of cap dollars. As Kelly Hudrey of HNIC spoke to last night, the expectation of many in the hockey world, is for young talented players to be fully ready for success when entering the league because they come with so much hype. Much of it totally unrealistic for this young stage of a career. Yes exceptions do exist, Carlo as an example.
When the elites are performing well the flaws of others get masked and the spot light is not shown on them every game. If that was happening at the moment in Boston all would be right in the hockey world. The best players will often work their way out of funks. The length of a funk for any team can take you from the penthouse to the outhouse quickly. Another example to illustrate that is to examine what has happened in Calgary to this stage of the season.
Much of this may sound familiar to the situation a Bruins team now finds it self in the moment. Food for thought.
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