Post-Game Talk: Game #29 - Time to face facts - This is not a good hockey team - Leafs 4 BRUINS 1 F

[VanIsle]

This team needs a change and it starts with the coach and go from there.

2 1/3 years of the same and people still want Claude?
He is a hell of a coach but even the best are fired or let go.

Different style, different systen, for the love of God try something different.

As a fan I would rather lose an exciting game then lose a game more boring then an economics class. How much more as fans can we take?

I for one cant take these games anymore and I hope the ticket buying public is on my side as that is the only measure that will change things.

 

[Pia8988]

Yeah but you say that like the teams we're playing don't have some garbage lines too, yet they are scoring goals against us.

The leafs have Leo Komarov on their first line lol... Colorado was playing with like 3 AHL defenseman with a flu bug running rampant through the team...

But they can score goals... and we can't and I dunno what it is, I don't claim to have the answers but I guarantee there are teams with way worse forwards than us.

is it just luck? Is it the system we're playing due to our coaching staff? who knows

I think it's a lack of people who score goals

Players with great shots:
Pastrnak
Marchand

Only other 30 Goal scorers:
Bergeron (Injured)
Backes (Hasn't hit that total in 6 years, should still get mid 20s)

Rest of line up
Krejci
Nash
Spooner
Moore
Schaller
Hayes
Acciari
Beleskey

Not a huge list of goal scorers

Rookies
Czarnik
Heinen

Both who are more of playmakers than scorers.

They have some prospects that will help score in the future it looks like, but that won't help the team today.

This team needs a change and it starts with the coach and go from there.

2 1/3 years of the same and people still want Claude?
He is a hell of a coach but even the best are fired or let go.

Different style, different systen, for the love of God try something different.

As a fan I would rather lose an exciting game then lose a game more boring then an economics class. How much more as fans can we take?

I for one cant take these games anymore and I hope the ticket buying public is on my side as that is the only measure that will change things.

And I would rather just win the game, which is something the Bruins are still managing to do more than they lose.

 

[The Special K]

Bunch of losers. I could smell this one a mile away. I hope that those that keep having illusions of making the PO's realize that at best this team is a 9-10 seed.

 

[BBB24]

Yeah but you say that like the teams we're playing don't have some garbage lines too, yet they are scoring goals against us.

The leafs have Leo Komarov on their first line lol... Colorado was playing with like 3 AHL defenseman with a flu bug running rampant through the team yet we only manage 2 goals... by our ONE player who is actually scoring goals, and tonight montreal puts 10 by them while MTL is missing their #1 center.

But sthey can score goals... and we can't and I dunno what it is, I don't claim to have the answers but I guarantee there are teams with way worse forwards than us.

is it just luck? Is it the system we're playing due to our coaching staff? who knows

I cannot think of one team in the league that has a worse bottom six than this team and are actually ahead of the Bruins in the standings, which is very important to point out. The coach gets more out of this group of misfits than any other coach I can think of. Enlighten me on who has a worse bottom six I am curious to know, and tops the Bruins in the standings.

 

[BruinsFan1990]

Maybe he's on the back nine ? He's played a TON of hockey over the years and it's showing big time. And If he's playing hurt and looks this bad then take the time and fix the problem, they are going nowhere if this is the player he's going to be this year.

I dont think hes declining yet. It doesnt make sense, judging from his world cup performance. Hes hurt, but we cant sit him. Bruins are in a very frustrating position.

 

[toasterjam]

I feel as though my dream of seeing Jimmy Hayes raise the cup with the bruins is slowly crumbling

 

[Emerz]

I cannot think of one team in the league that has a worse bottom six than this team and are actually ahead of the Bruins in the standings, which is very important to point out. The coach gets more out of this group of misfits than any other coach I can think of. Enlighten me on who has a worse bottom six I am curious to know, and tops the Bruins in the standings.

The flyers bottom 6 looks pretty bad to me.

 

[wintersej]

I cannot think of one team in the league that has a worse bottom six than this team and are actually ahead of the Bruins in the standings, which is very important to point out. The coach gets more out of this group of misfits than any other coach I can think of. Enlighten me on who has a worse bottom six I am curious to know, and tops the Bruins in the standings.

Bruins top 4 forwards are good. Bruins bottom 3 forwards are fine. The middle sucks. Can adding Senyshyn, JFK, Vatrano, DeBrusk and Heinen to that middle group over the next year change that?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I'm ready to face the facts.

 

[JCRO]

Don't shoot me... but I think Heinen needs a lot more time in providence. Nothing against him, just seems... out of place. Not his time yet. Looked like more of the same from when he was up with the big club earlier this year.

I could totally see a pasta-like off-season beef up seriously benefiting him going forward.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I think it's a lack of people who score goals

Players with great shots:
Pastrnak
Marchand

Only other 30 Goal scorers:
Bergeron (Injured)
Backes (Hasn't hit that total in 6 years, should still get mid 20s)

Rest of line up
Krejci
Nash
Spooner
Moore
Schaller
Hayes
Acciari
Beleskey

Not a huge list of goal scorers

Rookies
Czarnik
Heinen

Both who are more of playmakers than scorers.

They have some prospects that will help score in the future it looks like, but that won't help the team today.



And I would rather just win the game, which is something the Bruins are still managing to do more than they lose.

Yeah, its been blamed on all kinds of things. Come right down to it, this is the best reason why they can't score.

 

[Fenway]

 

[toasterjam]

Yup let's blame the coach. He has to deal with a shrub on every line except Bergy line, oddly the only line that does anything. Krejci has to play with Heinen or Schaller or Spooner on his left, so he plays shorthanded every shift. Third line is all scrubs, what the hell is Czarnik even doing in this league he is terrible, Spooner is useless and Nash is a fourth liner. Moore is the only NHL player on the fourth line, Schaller is AHL player and Accardi hits and does nothing. So we expect a coach to move players around to balance out, then what, you end up with a scrub on every line. This team is easy to defend against because you only have to defend one and a half lines, seriously, look at the lines and figure it out. If Sweeney does not make a serious move soon and I mean by Monday, it will be clear he has been directed to play out the string for the season and make moves after the expansion draft. At the moment they are short a backup goalie, five bottom six guys and another top six forward. Why not give Claude the top goal scorer from the farm, no instead bring up Kuraly who had not even scored a goal in the AHL when they brought him up, you need a left winger for Krejci and Backes to work with and you give him guys who are not ready. What about DeBrusk, he has more goals than the plugs put there and he is a left winger. Unfortunately it will probably end up being the coach who pays the price but if that happens it will be obvious that that was Sweenys plan all along, give Claude a roster guaranteed to lose, then fire him. But if any Bruins fan believe they will bounce back like the Pens last year, lol, ya just look at the forward groups on these two teams. Pens were loaded and had a coach who could not get them going, the Bruins have a group God could not get going, careful what you wish for. Oh yeah, cant wait for that kid out of Norte Dame, he should put them over the top, another NCAA guy to go with Heinen, Czarnik, Accardi, Kuraly, Miller, Krug etc etc

wow this is quite the conspiracy.

I dont defend the talent on this roster at all...changes need to be made but...I am suppose to buy that in order to fire Clode, Sweeney constructed a **** roster, one guaranteed to lose as you say....just so at mid season or late season he has an excuse to fire Clode?

If Sweeney wanted to fire Clode why didnt he just do it in the off season, get a new coach and build a competitive team for this season? why bother with the whole "create a roster guaranteed to fail" bit? just so he has an excuse to fire Clode?

doesn't the GM have power to just fire the coach? didnt Florida just..do it? or maybe I am missing some deeper aspect to this conspiracy.

More realistic situation?? Sweeney made some mistakes assembling this roster, the guys on the roster are not giving good effort and underachieving/ admittedly not the most skilled guys, and the coaching hasn't been as good as it needs to be.

 

[b in vancouver]

Painful.
Maybe I'm living in my head - but this team is better than this. Score some bloody goals guys. Seriously.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

I forgot about the "he does not have the horses" .... Bergeron, Krech, Marchand, Rask, Pastrnak, Backes, Chara...look at the leafs and avs lineup.Those are prized fillies that any team would drool over. The message is stale and un-inspiring, change the message and move on, not saying its going change over night , stop wasting Bergy and Marchands window

 

[GahdenRinkRat]

Thank god I only have to watch these games on TV. I salute those fans who spend big bucks as well as a lot of their time to watch this boring product on the ice. Thank god for Pasta and Marchand, at least they give the fans some entertainment on most nights.

Thanks for the salute.....the last few games I want to reach over and dope slap some of the players and ready to punch Saco in the face, I sit close enough to do both, if we can scrape up bail money, you might see me do it sooner than later

 

[Daishi]

Clode is an excellent coach, one of the best, but he's not the coach that the Bruins need right now. I'm a firm believer in bottoming out at least one season for the high draft picks. Julien prevents any team from doing that because his system will make any bunch of untalented grinders a middle of the pack borderline playoff team.

Every last one of us on this board knows the Bruins won't win the cup this year, nor make it out of the first round of playoffs if they even get there, so why not just throw the year, give our prospects ice time, play some run and gun hockey with high entertainment value, miss the playoffs by a mile, get the top draft picks, and play a lot better next year? Do we really have to watch this Claude Julien grinding anti-hockey for another full year with a no-hope team just to miss the playoffs by about 4 points? Is that the achievement we're shooting for? Really?

 

[BklyNBruiN]

I know that this team is not a good team.. We are in a rebuild and its going to take TIME. And by the time things really get going this team will probably have a new coach, a new president a new a lot of things.

 

[rickizbruin]

Reading through some of the comments ... hear the same stuff.. Hayes... Nash... Miller ... (take your pick on which one).. these are not the difference makers. The difference makers are: Krejci, Bergy, Spooner, and to some extent Backus, Bergy has 8 points this year thus far, and Spooner has 7. Krejci at least has 17 or so but not the player he was. there is the reason this team sucks. Chara not the greatest out there but he isn't horrible either... just not worth the money.

Because some of the above have loyalty with the fan base they don't get the heat that they currently deserve. if they are injured.. why are they on the power play etc.. maybe its time to blow it up ? and get the youth in.. let them play and see how far away we really are.

 

[BklyNBruiN]

Thanks for the salute.....the last few games I want to reach over and dope slap some of the players and ready to punch Saco in the face, I sit close enough to do both, if we can scrape up bail money, you might see me do it sooner than later

I salute you.. I can imagine how you feel..

 

[toasterjam]

Thanks for the salute.....the last few games I want to reach over and dope slap some of the players and ready to punch Saco in the face, I sit close enough to do both, if we can scrape up bail money, you might see me do it sooner than later

I got $20,000 saved in the bank...this seems like something I could invest in

 

[BBB24]

wow this is quite the conspiracy.

I dont defend the talent on this roster at all...changes need to be made but...I am suppose to buy that in order to fire Clode, Sweeney constructed a **** roster, one guaranteed to lose as you say....just so at mid season or late season he has an excuse to fire Clode?

If Sweeney wanted to fire Clode why didnt he just do it in the off season, get a new coach and built a competitive team for this season? why bother with the whole "create a roster guaranteed to fail" bit? just so he has an excuse to fire Clode?

doesn't the GM have power to just fire the coach? didnt Florida just..do it? or maybe I am missing some deeper aspect to this conspiracy.

More realistic situation?? Sweeney made some mistakes assembling this roster, the guys on the roster and not giving good effort and underachieving/ admittedly not the most skilled guys, and the coaching hasn't been as good as it needs to be.

First off you should follow the game more closely, the GM did not want to fire the coach in Florida, he was ordered to do so by the owner and also ordered to take over behind the bench, after he told the owner they should wait out for the end of their road trip. This was from Rowe himself in an interview with Friedman on CBC, so you are wrong. He won't fire the coach until he gets permission from ownership, if you think coaches are fired by authority of the GM alone, well I don't know what to tell you. The owner pays the owner gives the nod. You have your thoughts I have mine, and if Sweeney does not give Claude NHL players then there is more to the story than we know, that simple. How long does a GM have to wait to see he is short 6-7 NHL players. I am/was a big Sweeney supporter, but he has to give his coach something to work with, or accept the fact you are going nowhere and be up front with your fan base.

 

[BBB24]

The flyers bottom 6 looks pretty bad to me.

So out of 29 other teams, we have one. I would argue, even though I agree flyers bottom six is weak, it has more NHL caliber players than the Bs have, Cousins, Bellemare, Weis at least have scored in this league.

 

[toasterjam]

First off you should follow the game more closely, the GM did not want to fire the coach in Florida, he was ordered to do so by the owner and also ordered to take over behind the bench, after he told the owner they should wait out for the end of their road trip. This was from Rowe himself in an interview with Friedman on CBC, so you are wrong. He won't fire the coach until he gets permission from ownership, if you think coaches are fired by authority of the GM alone, well I don't know what to tell you. The owner pays the owner gives the nod. You have your thoughts I have mine, and if Sweeney dies not give Claude NHL players then there is more to the story than we know, that simple. How long does a GM have to wait to see he is short 6-7 NHL players. I am/was a big Sweeney supporter, but he has to give his coach something to work with, or accept the fact you are going nowhere and be up front with your fan base.

I honestly have no idea what the Florida situation is..sorry for my ignorance. Was just using them as an example.

I just assumed it's within the GM's power to fire a coach.

So if Don wanted Clode gone he could have just fired him this offseason, skip the entire "assemble a roster guaranteed to fail" step and instead assemble a roster to be competitive with a new coach in place.

I just think Sweeney tried to create something..and it's failing and he isnt making moves, completely holding him accountable for not bringing in quality guys.

The guys on the team that we KNOW can be better arent giving the effort or injured (bergy?)

and coaching staff could be better?

again I'm no hockey genius but that's what I'm seeing.

or I guess this is all part of the elaborate plan...make a very bad bruins team so we can finally rid ourselves of CLODE!! seems like a lot more work..having to hand out all these contracts to bad players just so we can fire Clode.

Did Sweeney sign Backes, Nash, Liles, Beleskey, Hayes, resign Mcquaid/K.Miller etc etc to all help in the assassination of Clode?

because I guess it's working.

And I do completely agree with your critic of Sweeney...he has made some mistakes assembling this roster.

 

[BruinDust]

Wanna hear a sad story.

So I'm watching this game with company, in particular a Leaf fan.

I looked at him at the end of the 1st period, and said essentially that the Bruins had a strong first, but couldn't bury their chances, and will likely start the 2nd half asleep and get scored on early, and precede to lay an egg the rest of the way. And sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

You could smell it coming a mile away, for whatever reason, this team has a serious problem putting together 2 consecutive good periods, or playing a full 60 mins. And it has had this problem for awhile.

I'm not pointing fingers, because I really don't have the answer for the inconsistency period to period. It's probably a lot of things.

I'm not going to call out the usual suspects like Claude, McQuaid, Nash, etc., because you know what, the whole group was bad tonight. Every single one of them, coaches and players.