Post-Game Talk: Game #25: Blackhawks 2, Canucks 1 - Six goals? Nah, one goal will do fine...

[David71]

kassian should have a few games in the pressbox. booth/dalpe in?

 

[serge2k]

Not what I said. And never gave the offense a pass.

Lou is good for a stinker at least once a game. That's on him; not the offense.

And the offense is only good for 1 goal a game, that's not on Luongo.

 

[serge2k]

If Luongo has a trend of sketchy play that sees him giving up 2 goals a game, then sign me up for more of Luongo's sketchy play please! I'll welcome Luongo's sketchy 2 goals against per game play.

Yup.

Can playoff Luongo please be consistently at most this awful? Please

 

[Upoil]

And the offense is only good for 1 goal a game, that's not on Luongo.

You get it! They are different issues!

 

[y2kcanucks]

Not what I said. And never gave the offense a pass.

Lou is good for a stinker at least once a game. That's on him; not the offense.

Lou is tied for 2nd in the league in shutouts this year, and only 1 goalie has more shutouts than him. It appears as if there are several other goalies in the NHL who are good for at least a stinker per game, by your standards.

 

[John Bender*]

If Luongo has a trend of sketchy play that sees him giving up 2 goals a game, then sign me up for more of Luongo's sketchy play please! I'll welcome Luongo's sketchy 2 goals against per game play.

So what you are saying is you are fine with Luongo being outplayed by his counterpart every night as long as he does not let in more than 2.

You have no concept of the context of the type of game being played.

 

[ahmon]

Luongo should have stopped goal #2.

He CAN be better, but Luongo is STILL giving us a chance to win.

The offense and lack of finish is clearly the main issue.

Defense is also overrated.

 

[Grumbler]

You're wrong.

Oh yea ur right, we won once against the predators where they hit the post a couple of times.

 

[Ozone]

Wow, this is the worst post I have ever seen. You either weren't watching in 2007 or don't understand hockey.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. 2007 Luongo was the best goaltending I have ever seen (for an entire season) other than Hasek's Hart Trophy years. He was unbelievable and probably should have won the Hart if Crosby hadn't gotten 120 points.

This year's Luongo isn't in the same stratosphere. I mean literally, he is AHL quality compared to that level of goaltending. That team in 2007 had no business being in the playoffs. He single handedly got us there.
Now, he's a passenger. As the team goes, so goes Luongo. Except for when he let's us down in big moments.

 

[StIllmatic]

Let's talk honestly tho, not being irrational because of tonight's loss.

Is this team good enough to make the playoffs? NO
Is this team good enough to win a round? NO
Is this team good enough to challenge for a cup? NO


We bicker and argue like little girls as to WHY we stink but let's not try to pin point 1 specific reason, it's a multitude of reasons. It just ....some teams have to be bad, some are good. We are just ....plain bad. Nobody is scared to play us like they used to be years ago. We are pushovers.

That's not rational.

 

[John Bender*]

Lou is tied for 2nd in the league in shutouts this year, and only 1 goalie has more shutouts than him. It appears as if there are several other goalies in the NHL who are good for at least a stinker per game, by your standards.

How does Lu rank in Save percentage - a much more pertinent stat.

 

[RexHell44]

It's becoming pretty clear now that we need to trade player(s). MG has to be smart about this, he has to trade the right players and not do anything stupid like trade tanev or hansen. My order of players to be traded would be kesler, edler, higgins, garrison.

 

[Upoil]

Lou is tied for 2nd in the league in shutouts this year, and only 1 goalie has more shutouts than him. It appears as if there are several other goalies in the NHL who are good for at least a stinker per game, by your standards.

Haha. Go back and look at your posting history. You agree with me about the second goal being a stinker. So by both our standards!

 

[Squall]

All I see in the offensive zone are board plays, passing it around the outside, pass back to the point, shoot. This is especially true on the powerplay. Only 2 scenarios come out of that.

1. The goalie saves it
2. The opponent takes it away and possibly gets a 2 on 1 rush while they're at it

I would have had a third scenario which is "3. They score". but those goals only comes once every 40 shots, so that's hardly a choice.

Luongo is hardly the issue. Sure, he could have given us the one point, but the main issue is the offense, not the goalie.

 

[NonBruinHatingCanuck]

I Know this team is gonna go on a hot streak and put together a pile of wins.. They Got Heart Just need to get that confidence Iwould be worried if the scoring chances weren't there but they are.

 

[bsjezz]

it's not luongo, people. you do not sell your goalie out by making him face yet another shot nine seconds after a center-ice faceoff. that's bad defensive play. luongo was in control for everything but that tiny span of the game, and shut down a hell of a lot of excellent chances the hawks had in the first part of the game. it's madness to blame him. he's doing his job.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Oh yea ur right, we won once against the predators where they hit the post a couple of times.

Oh so now Luongo's an average goalie because the other team hit the post a couple times?

This is hilarious. I can't believe I'm having the argument that Luongo isn't doing his job because he's not racking up shutouts at an astronomical pace. The offense is the problem with this team AINEC, yet the discussion is all about Luongo. Unbelievable.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

They are not winning or loosing games because of them they are being judged on individual play.

Our former coach had no issues stapling kassian to the bench either win or loose either when he was not playing well.

This is not just torts.

I think booth will draw back in but all your going to see is an equal amount of people yelling to get booth back in the press box again.

Of course. Coaches are pretty much the same.

But Torts is our coach. Our former coach is our former coach.

Torts downside is he starts to squeeze too tight when he gets frustrated with the team. Kassian is 22 years old and needs to be on the ice to make those mistakes or he will just live another day to make the mistakes. He has to go through it.

Torts is impatient because the team is not winning so he benches Kassian. Its not a great move , it resolves nothing.

Benching a guy playing less that 10 minutes really doesnt do much. He has to learn and I am sure he will. But as far as our team performance its a moot point.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

That's fair enough. I don't think this team is unimpeachable. I'm not accusing you specifically. But there are a lot of people here who think that if you're not the primary Stanley cup favorite, it's time to blow it up Edmonton style. That's just ridiculous. I get the frustration, but we're still a good team. This is not a team that you disassemble. And sometimes it's not your year. Maybe in 2 years Horvat and Shinky give us good contributions on entry level deals, and the Sedins still have some gas in the tank. That may be our next best chance. But in the meantime, winning is a habit. Losing in the 2nd round twice in a row (and having a chance of going all of the way) is much better than bottoming out for 3 years. Please go cheer for the Oilers. This is not directed at you, by the way.

Nah, I get what you mean. I've never been a proponent of "blow it up," we are still good but if we make the playoffs, we will likely be underdogs and then we'll decline a bit more next year. The way it goes. I want us to continue to try to win with the Sedins and am not convinced we have the youth to do anything different (it's too early to say anything about Horvat/Shinkaruk. We have no idea how they'll adjust to a pro league.) We are the Phillies of the NHL, but at least they won a ****ing championship before age caught up to them.

 

[John Bender*]

That's not rational.

His posts never are.

 

[Virtanen2Horvat]

The thing with this team is....Y2K.....they are not good enough to outscore the opposition. they need to play air tight defense and have excellent goaltending. Excellent goaltending is what Chicago got tonight. Luongo does not provide that anymore.

You can argue offense until you are blue in the face, but this team is build to win game 1-0, 2-1, etc. Luongo needs to be better, or he needs to get the **** out of dodge and we need to try someone else.

I really would like to see Lack get more games.

Yes goaltending is key but for 2 goals give me a break. That is good and Luongo is a great goalie still. Face it the offense is the problem they can't finish their opportunities. Their rebounds are always going wide to the opposition or in the open where no one is there to put it away. I wasn't here to watch the game but I have been watching them and I know enough to know that this is happening. We need a trade we need to mix our core up a bit give it a little change. Shinkaruk, Horvat, Guance, Cassels guys like that are going to help. Hopefully Jensen starts picking up points and the Comets start winning more often. But we can't run with the core we got forever.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Aquilinis **** the bed not allowing a Lu buyout

You realize Schneider has struggled in New Jersey and we would be without a top ten prospect, yes?

That would have been great right now.

 

[LolClarkson*]

Why can't we buy a god damn goal right now

We are the LA Kings in the regular season.... wait a minute...

 

[y2kcanucks]

That's not rational.

Actually it's quite rational. Right now we are 6 points back of the final playoff spot, with every team having multiple games in hand on us. Yes, there is lots of hockey left to be played and this can change very quickly, but right now this is not a playoff team.

 

[arsmaster*]

No, it's not misleading. Someone posted a stat a few games ago that in the past few years our goaltending has kept opponents to under two goals in ~30% of games. We've gotten that twice this year: the shutout against Buffalo and the shutout against Toronto. We need that more than one every 12 games, which you must agree with since you also think Luongo has to improve.

I'm not saying goaltending has been a bigger problem than scoring, I just take issue with the fanboys who claim our goaltending has been good enough.

It hasn't been good enough....because we aren't scoring.

If we're winning these games 3-2 it's plenty good enough.

Average goaltending + no offense = goaltending isn't good enough.

Chicago averages 3.6 goals a game. Holding them to 2 should be good enough for a point.

Another interesting stat. The allow 2.9 goals a game. We put one past them.