Post-Game Talk: Game #25: Blackhawks 2, Canucks 1 - Six goals? Nah, one goal will do fine...

[Rotting Corpse*]

But what can you do? We are blessed to be fans of a team that has a core that has had them amongst the top 10 teams in the league almost every year since about 2002. You started watching when Mogo and hE who shall not be named were playing. I started watching during the 94 run.

Not that it matters, but I started watching during the 94 run as well. I'm just saying I lived through the Voldemort years

We have been on the other side of this. Been a fan of a team that was about as good as the Thrashers were for most of their history. So, even if we don't get our happy ending (and we still may), try to enjoy that we go into every game believing that we can win. It's not always like 2011 where we believed we would win every game. But it still means something to me, and it should to you as well.

It depends though. Cheering for a team at this level when they are young and on the way up is exciting. Cheering for a team like this when it's old and on the way down is different, IMO.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Luongo's 21st in the league in save percentage among goalies with at least 9 games played. Does anyone really think that's good enough?

 

[Hammer79]

The major problem with the offence is the terrible power play. If they can get that working and take leads of more than one goal then that forces other teams to open up and they can be put away. That was the recipe during the high scoring seasons.

I think the key to getting the PP going is for a couple of the D-men to break their offensive slumps. Just not enough offense from the back-end right now for a team that has so much cap tied up back there.

 

[Vankiller Whale]

I wondered cause you asked. Luongo's .914 save percentage is 36th -- right behind Richard Bachmann and right in front of the Winnipeg duo of Ondrej Pavelec and Al Montoya

Goalie Stats Sorted by Save Percentage

Ahead of Sergei "Vezina" Bobrovsky, Jonathan "Conn Smythe" Quick, and tied with Martin "Beat Schneider for the starting job" Brodeur.

Sv% this early in the season means jack.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

You STILL fail to see the freaking point. Nobody is saying that Luongo is the problem with this team. People are just waiting for him to steal a game or two, like Crawford did for the Blackhawks tonight, or Reimer did for the Leafs tonight stopping 49 of 50.

You always feel the need to defend Luongo with your life instead of admitting "Yeah, it would be nice if one of these 2-1 losses would swing our way because Luongo was the one who let in 1 instead of 2".

Everyone (or most people here) sees that the main issue with this team is the offense. Luongo is not a problem, per se. We're just looking for Luongo to swing one of these low scoring games in our favour instead of making excuses for him EVERY TIME.

Which games would you like Lu to steal?

The ones where we cant outscore the competition?

 

[Upoil]

This is hilarious. I can't believe I'm having the argument that Luongo isn't doing his job because he's not racking up shutouts at an astronomical pace. The offense is the problem with this team AINEC, yet the discussion is all about Luongo. Unbelievable.

Seriously? Nobody on this board has even come close to saying this. You are like the king of the straw man argument.

I know you probably don't care but there is a concept in debating called the Principle of Charity. Perhaps if you employed it people would actually take you more seriously.

Principle of Charity

[T]he principle of charity requires interpreting a speaker's statements to be rational and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation. In its narrowest sense, the goal of this methodological principle is to avoid attributing irrationality, logical fallacies or falsehoods to the others' statements.

You seem to constantly do the complete opposite...

 

[Ozone]

Doesn't matter. That 2 goal limit is arbitrary and reminds of a threshold analysis. They are inherently flawed.

How many games did he outplay the other goalie?

What is his sv% among his peers?

How many scoring chances do the Canucks give up on average?

Do the Canucks usually win the scoring chance battle?

These questions lead to better answers than an arbitrary marker will ever tell us. If sv% is itself deemed meaningless, what does that 2 goal marker really mean? Nothing IMO.

Well said.

 

[y2kcanucks]

You STILL fail to see the freaking point. Nobody is saying that Luongo is the problem with this team. People are just waiting for him to steal a game or two, like Crawford did for the Blackhawks tonight, or Reimer did for the Leafs tonight stopping 49 of 50.

You always feel the need to defend Luongo with your life instead of admitting "Yeah, it would be nice if one of these 2-1 losses would swing our way because Luongo was the one who let in 1 instead of 2".

Everyone (or most people here) sees that the main issue with this team is the offense. Luongo is not a problem, per se. We're just looking for Luongo to swing one of these low scoring games in our favour instead of making excuses for him EVERY TIME.

Tonight Crawford did for Chicago what Luongo does for us. Win games with 2 or more goals of offensive support. I don't see what your point is...

 

[Hammer79]

Luongo's 21st in the league in save percentage among goalies with at least 9 games played. Does anyone really think that's good enough?

That's what you get when you box score watch instead of breaking down the goals against.

 

[serge2k]

Doesn't matter. That 2 goal limit is arbitrary and reminds of a threshold analysis. They are inherently flawed.

How many games did he outplay the other goalie?

What is his sv% among his peers?

How many scoring chances do the Canucks give up on average?

Do the Canucks usually win the scoring chance battle?

These questions lead to better answers than an arbitrary marker will ever tell us. If sv% is itself deemed meaningless, what does that 2 goal marker really mean? Nothing IMO.

0.921 in November.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Crawford hasn't won a game this year with less than 2 goals of offensive support either....

 

[Derp Kassian]

Oh look, y2k is martyring himself on Luongo's behalf. What a shock.

The difference is, Henrik has been consistently fantastic for years and years and years. Luongo has been consistently fragile since 2008. He's still a good goaltender, don't get me wrong. But we're not going to win a cup with him. He tends to give up backbreakers.
Also, I can actually point to the moment that I thought Henrik got hurt. Do you think Luongo's hurt? When do you think it happened?

...that's what I thought.

Someone with Markus Naslund in his name talking about fragility

 

[Nuck Bonino]

If I was Schneider, I am glad I got traded.

I hope Luongo ditches Vancouver and just gets up and says he retires

Would be funny to see these fans start freaking out

Believe it or not, Schneider is getting even worse goal support than Lu

 

[Virtanen2Horvat]

Too much grind not enough skill.

Grinders:

Richardson
Hansen
Santorelli
Kassian (Probably but he is a ??? right now due to bad games)
Welsh
Weise

Some of that is mixing into the top and overpowering the skilled players like the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows and Higgins. Booth is useless. This is what you are going to expect from a team.

Out of that group of grinders I would keep the bolded. We will probably have to let Santorelli go once Horvat is in the mix. Or we can resign him and he goes back and fourth in the minors depending on Horvat's contribution.

 

[opendoor]

You realize Schneider has struggled in New Jersey and we would be without a top ten prospect, yes?

That would have been great right now.

That says a lot about Schneider that a .925 sv% is seen as "struggling". And he's only just getting better with 3 GA and a .964 sv% in his last 3 starts. In fact, in his last 3 games he has stolen more points than Luongo has in 23 starts.

 

[stuffradio]

The only thing positive about this team is Horvat and Shinkaruk.

 

[Bleach Clean]

The major problem with the offence is the terrible power play. If they can get that working and take leads of more than one goal then that forces other teams to open up and they can be put away. That was the recipe during the high scoring seasons.

Yes, the PP is a definite factor here. They can play a controlled, methodical game at ES if their PP further pressure opponents. So far, it has done anything but.

A 29th ranked PP is leading to perceptions of a weak offense when a few games ago they Ranked 11th in ES offense. The PP needs to be fixed.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

That's what you get when you box score watch instead of breaking down the goals against.

You have no clue who you're talking to. I watch every televised game and have since 94. My analysis is based on watching combined with stats. But since y2k has been throwing out Luongo's single game save percentage to defend him, I wanted to put that in some perspective.

 

[deadinthewater]

Crawford hasn't won a game this year with less than 2 goals of offensive support either....

Well he's not (supposed to be) a position of strength for them. They have world class offense and two elite d-men.

 

[Ozone]

Tonight Crawford did for Chicago what Luongo does for us. Win games with 2 or more goals of offensive support. I don't see what your point is...

Are you just trying to get your post count up? Is there somewhere I can donate to help others like you?

Seriously though, less is more. In some cases.....much, much, less.

 

[Wetcoaster]

 

[y2kcanucks]

Believe it or not, Schneider is getting even worse goal support than Lu

And has only 2 wins this season too. Even he hasn't won a game where his team has scored fewer than 2 goals of offensive support. Look at how many goalies aren't "stealing" games like people expect Luongo to do...

 

[arsmaster*]

Doesn't matter. That 2 goal limit is arbitrary and reminds of a threshold analysis. They are inherently flawed.

How many games did he outplay the other goalie?

What is his sv% among his peers?

How many scoring chances do the Canucks give up on average?

Do the Canucks usually win the scoring chance battle?

These questions lead to better answers than an arbitrary marker will ever tell us. If sv% is itself deemed meaningless, what does that 2 goal marker really mean? Nothing IMO.

Not all shots, saves, scoring chances are created equal. Looking at them as such seems silly to me.

I'm trying to remember one save Crawford had to make tonight that was as clear cut a chance as the winner. Was there one? I don't recall.

 

[Boruto]

Hey Canucks, I'm dropping by with a question.

How would you grade Torts thus far?

 

[EpochLink]

Aquilini starting to see some staggering down profits?

Well we replaced the coach, GM is now on watch..