Post-Game Talk: Game #25: Blackhawks 2, Canucks 1 - Six goals? Nah, one goal will do fine...

[Upoil]

2013 Luongo looks great if the offense could score more than 1 goal in a game and he racked up a few more wins.

He could rack up a few more wins if he wasn't so consistent in letting in a stinker every game.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Or maybe our team could score more than 1 ****ing goal in a game. Your Luongo hate is getting pretty tiresome. I don't care what kind of system this team is playing, they should be able to score more than 1 goal. No forward on this team can shoot well. It's pathetic. Please, tell me more about how you predicted the Hawks to score 4 goals tonight.

This.

Luongo let in 2 goals. When your goalie lets in 2 goals in a game you should be able to get at least a point.

 

[y2kcanucks]

He could rack up a few more wins if he wasn't so consistent in letting in a stinker every game.

You mean he should be letting in 1 or 0 goals every game?

Maybe he could rack up a few more wins if our offense could score a ****ing goal?

 

[Orca Smash]

Ding ding ding. Tells you its not them thats the problem.

I have no issues with benching a player that deserves. I do have a problem with benching one player when he deserves it and not another when they deserve it.

They are not winning or loosing games because of them they are being judged on individual play.

Our former coach had no issues stapling kassian to the bench either win or loose either when he was not playing well.

This is not just torts.

I think booth will draw back in but all your going to see is an equal amount of people yelling to get booth back in the press box again.

 

[bsjezz]

kassian's play without the puck is not what you have to worry about. what you have to worry about is his decision making with the puck in his own end. it's almost universally awful. as soon as he figures out he has to make the simple play, he's fine.

 

[John Bender*]

No one is skewing the numbers. He put up a .931 SVP tonight yet people are still complaining. Funny how when the stats look good for him all of a sudden the stats don't matter, but when they look bad then that's all they count.

When watching the games, tonight in particular, he played well. Let in a bad goal by my judgement, but these things happen. You can't expect to win every game 1-0, and that's exactly what the Canucks needed Luongo to do in 6 of the last 7 games.

He was outplayed by his counterpart. Again. It was another airtight defensive gem by the Canucks and another average game for Lu.

 

[Jack Tripper]

Luongo shouldn't have to be Dallas series 2007 Lu for us to make a playoff spot.

absolutely true, but that's also the issue...luongo should at the very least match the goaltending performance at the opposite end of the rink, and there's been way too many games so far where he's been the inferior goaltender or let in a softie at an important juncture in the game

another point is that it's not 2007 anymore...the excellent post showing the increase in average save percentage around the league demonstrated the increase in quality around the league, as well as showing that he's statistically below average at this point

 

[y2kcanucks]

Aquilinis **** the bed not allowing a Lu buyout

Right, because a goalie who hasn't lost in regulation a single game this season where the offense has scored 2 or more goals is a horrible goalie.

 

[StringerBell]

Saying "2 goals or more" when he's been consistently allowing 2 goals is misleading. The team is still undefeated outside of shootouts when scoring more than a single goal.

Luongo has to improve, certainly. But there are plenty of teams - including the Blackhawks - who would love to have almost a guaranteed win when scoring more than one goal. Our goaltending is certainly good enough for us to be a top team, if we could score at the same rate as the better teams in the league.

No, it's not misleading. Someone posted a stat a few games ago that in the past few years our goaltending has kept opponents to under two goals in ~30% of games. We've gotten that twice this year: the shutout against Buffalo and the shutout against Toronto. We need that more than one every 12 games, which you must agree with since you also think Luongo has to improve.

I'm not saying goaltending has been a bigger problem than scoring, I just take issue with the fanboys who claim our goaltending has been good enough.

 

[ShouldveDraftedFiala]

Burrows is god awful this season. 3 assists in 13 games.

Can't live up to the contract.

Another stat watcher. Burrows was our best player on the ice tonight, and has been for several games now. Just because he's snake bitten does not mean he's "god awful", watch the games please.

 

[Intangibos]

LOL, right over your head bud.

You don't seem to understand that your play on a single night doesn't make you elite or otherwise. We've played against backups that look like allstars against us. Reimer played great tonight, that doesn't make him an elite goalie.

Don't forget Lu had a good save percentage tonight and was the second star. Guess he should have gotten a shutout.

 

[Grumbler]

You can't expect to win every game 1-0, and that's exactly what the Canucks needed Luongo to do in 6 of the last 7 games.

We didn't win a single game 1-0 btw for some years now with Luongo in net. The games we won 1-0 was with Schneider and it happened 2 times last year which was a key reason we made the playoffs last year.

 

[y2kcanucks]

absolutely true, but that's also the issue...luongo should at the very least match the goaltending performance at the opposite end of the rink, and there's been way too many games so far where he's been the inferior goaltender or let in a softie at an important juncture in the game

another point is that it's not 2007 anymore...the excellent post showing the increase in average save percentage around the league demonstrated the increase in quality around the league, as well as showing that he's statistically below average at this point

If Luongo faced the Canuck offense every night his numbers would look much better too.

 

[arsmaster*]

Saying "2 goals or more" when he's been consistently allowing 2 goals is misleading. The team is still undefeated outside of shootouts when scoring more than a single goal.

Luongo has to improve, certainly. But there are plenty of teams - including the Blackhawks - who would love to have almost a guaranteed win when scoring more than one goal. Our goaltending is certainly good enough for us to be a top team, if we could score at the same rate as the better teams in the league.

Misleading?

It's a ****ing joke. Guy is allowing 2 goals or less most of the time and we're griping about needing 3.

We need two goals to get a single point. We can't even do that.

Luongo lost is one point tonight. The lack of finish lost us the other.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

Not if they don't have players who can finish

Daniel Sedin isn't the goal scorer he once was
Henrik never was
Burrows is what everyone thought he was, a product of the Sedins goal scoring wise
Kesler is up and down

Santa Claus, Higgins, and Hansen mostly rely on hard work to score goals, they don't have a lot of natural skill.

If Kassian could get his head out of his ass and learn to play without the puck he might be a decent fit in the top six since he has a natural ability to score goals imo

Torts has this team playing the right way put they just don't have goal scorers

I know that. Ive been saying that for some time.

A lot of it relies on Kesler and Burrows being those solid secondary support.

Kesler has needed the Sedins this year to be where he should be.

Burrows tries but hasnt got it dont.

Kassian isnt costing us games.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

That's not completely fair; I grew up watching the Alex Mogilny and Mark Messier Canucks. I know what a crappy team is like. It's just depressing watching this roster slowly decline from its heyday. I agree that that 2011 team was one of the best we will ever see, and every season since then we've just been a little bit worse than the year before. We are aging, and that's what made the Schneider trade such a gut bunch. Luongo is not the player he was; the Sedins are not the players they were, Burrows, Kesler, etc. It's depressing to watch.

The only young forward we have is Kassian, and he got stapled to the bench today because (I assume) Torts was finally sick of his bone-headed play. It's depressing watching us slowly decline into the crap team that we are probably going to be in a few years, unless our drafting and development really turns us around really fast.

And this isn't a "chicken little," I've been saying the same thing for awhile now.

That's fair enough. I don't think this team is unimpeachable. I'm not accusing you specifically. But there are a lot of people here who think that if you're not the primary Stanley cup favorite, it's time to blow it up Edmonton style. That's just ridiculous. I get the frustration, but we're still a good team. This is not a team that you disassemble. And sometimes it's not your year. Maybe in 2 years Horvat and Shinky give us good contributions on entry level deals, and the Sedins still have some gas in the tank. That may be our next best chance. But in the meantime, winning is a habit. Losing in the 2nd round twice in a row (and having a chance of going all of the way) is much better than bottoming out for 3 years. Please go cheer for the Oilers. This is not directed at you, by the way.

 

[vancityluongo]

Luongo looked equally sketchy against Columbus. This is a trend, and it has nothing to do with the offense.

Anyone who can't see that simply can't analyze objectively. It'd be like saying the Canucks played well if they won the shootout against Florida. If Daniel buries that shot late in the third and they win it in OT, would that have made Luongo's performance any better? Nope.

I think MS posted a few days ago how if Luongo could allow us to win games where we score 2 or less than the team would already have 6 more points. Instead, both our goalies are basically at or below replacement level netminding. Really, someone who could be acquired for pennies to the dollar like Andersen/Fasth would be giving the Canucks much better bang for their buck right now.

As for scoring; well that's a bigger issue altogether. There isn't an abundance of scoring fowards floating around the league looking for jobs. Really just have to hope that Gillis can manage assets wisely and try and pull off a trade for a young potential top-6 player that can grow with the team. A Goligoski for Neal type deal is about the only hope that this team can contend this year IMO.

 

[y2kcanucks]

We didn't win a single game 1-0 btw for some years now with Luongo in net. The games we won 1-0 was with Schneider and it happened 2 times last year which was a key reason we made the playoffs last year.

You're wrong.

 

[serge2k]

How many goals does LA score?

Their scoring should be more consistent than it has been, because of the higher shot rates, but conversion rates have not been there over this span. That should normalize over time. But throughout, their scoring chance against rate has been pretty good. It's only Luongo's play heading inthe other direction that has limited their ability to win on either end.

Luongo has one game in November where he has allowed more than 2 goals.

 

[Upoil]

You mean he should be letting in 1 or 0 goals every game?

Maybe he could rack up a few more wins if our offense could score a ****ing goal?

Not what I said. And never gave the offense a pass.

Lou is good for a stinker at least once a game. That's on him; not the offense.

 

[Luongos Knob]

That should normalize over time.

oh my god

 

[Canucker]

Misleading?

It's a ****ing joke. Guy is allowing 2 goals or less most of the time and we're griping about needing 3.

We need two goals to get a single point. We can't even do that.

Luongo lost is one point tonight. The lack of finish lost us the other.

Thats a fair assessment.

 

[WinterEmpire]

kassian's play without the puck is not what you have to worry about. what you have to worry about is his decision making with the puck in his own end. it's almost universally awful. as soon as he figures out he has to make the simple play, he's fine.

He needs to work on both, unless he's in front of the net or along the boards with the the puck he keeps making the same bad decisions over and over.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Luongo looked equally sketchy against Columbus. This is a trend, and it has nothing to do with the offense.

Anyone who can't see that simply can't analyze objectively. It'd be like saying the Canucks played well if they won the shootout against Florida. If Daniel buries that shot late in the third and they win it in OT, would that have made Luongo's performance any better? Nope.

I think MS posted a few days ago how if Luongo could allow us to win games where we score 2 or less than the team would already have 6 more points. Instead, both our goalies are basically at or below replacement level netminding. Really, someone who could be acquired for pennies to the dollar like Andersen/Fasth would be giving the Canucks much better bang for their buck right now.

As for scoring; well that's a bigger issue altogether. There isn't an abundance of scoring fowards floating around the league looking for jobs. Really just have to hope that Gillis can manage assets wisely and try and pull off a trade for a young potential top-6 player that can grow with the team. A Goligoski for Neal type deal is about the only hope that this team can contend this year IMO.

If Luongo has a trend of sketchy play that sees him giving up 2 goals a game, then sign me up for more of Luongo's sketchy play please! I'll welcome Luongo's sketchy 2 goals against per game play.

 

[John Bender*]

You don't seem to understand that your play on a single night doesn't make you elite or otherwise. We've played against backups that look like allstars against us. Reimer played great tonight, that doesn't make him an elite goalie.

Don't forget Lu had a good save percentage tonight and was the second star. Guess he should have gotten a shutout.

Reimer has a 947 save percentage over 10 games this season, last year 924 over an entire season.