ON3M4N
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I can handle it just fine. BTW interesting you look at his last 21 games. It just so happens to stop exactly before his 8-4 record. Almost like your trying to cherry pick the numbers
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I can handle it just fine. BTW interesting you look at his last 21 games. It just so happens to stop exactly before his 8-4 record. Almost like your trying to cherry pick the numbers
ON3M4N
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Lets be honest, there are very few QB's in the NFL that can carry a bad offense.
smithformeragent
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
This is what they are and what they have been for a handful of seasons now.
Well on their way to 7-10.
This is what they are and what they have been for a handful of seasons now.
Well on their way to 7-10.
KrejciMVP
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I can handle it just fine. BTW interesting you look at his last 21 games. It just so happens to stop exactly before his 8-4 record. Almost like your trying to cherry pick the numbers
ok so what happens if they start 0-4 are you going continue to flex Mac Jones as a great QB. Bill has had to learn this and fans of
Mac Jones will too, youre not winning in this league with an avg QB and twisting yourself into a pretzle trying to build a super team around one is an act of futility. the QB that elevates others does win
wintersej
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Jones is mediocre but I do think he is good enough to put up points if there were pieces around him.
It’s going to get much harder to do that when his rookie contract runs out.
It’s going to get much harder to do that when his rookie contract runs out.
With the exception of Tom Brady, Patriots fans have always been more in love with the backup than the starter. At least for as long as I can remember.
Actually… now that I think of it, remember when Matt Cassel went 11-5 with a squad that went 18-1 the year before? Some people were actually calling WEEI saying that the Patriots should trade Brady and keep Cassel who was obviously the quarterback of the future. The Patriots need more talent on the offensive line and at WR. They don’t need a quarterback. Mac Jones wasn’t responsible for Demario Douglas fumbling the ball. A very significant turning point in the game.
I don’t think Jones’ supporters are defending him because he’s a swell guy and they hang out with him on the weekends. I think he’s supported because they (and I) genuinely don’t think he’s the real problem. Another QB won’t fix the line.
I do think that Jones’ detractors are giving him more blame than he deserves (and he does deserve some) because he’s the face of the team, and the only player besides the center that touches the ball on every play. It’s not hard to blame the QB, just like hockey fans who really don’t know the game always blame the goalie regardless of what happens in front of him. Not to mention people around here are spoiled. It really isn’t as easy as the last 20 years looked.
I’m just surprised that Belichick isn’t taking more heat. If DeAndre Hopkins is a Patriot, I know at least one of these games turns out differently. Belichick the GM gets a pass because Belichick the coach has won so much. Most of the media are probably afraid to call him out because they don’t want the Patriots to revoke their credentials.
On the bright side, this is really only week two of the new offense. The next two weeks are crucial.
PS: Jones’ development as a pro quarterback was absolutely stunted last year. Let’s not forget that. We all know why, so I won’t get into that.
Actually… now that I think of it, remember when Matt Cassel went 11-5 with a squad that went 18-1 the year before? Some people were actually calling WEEI saying that the Patriots should trade Brady and keep Cassel who was obviously the quarterback of the future. The Patriots need more talent on the offensive line and at WR. They don’t need a quarterback. Mac Jones wasn’t responsible for Demario Douglas fumbling the ball. A very significant turning point in the game.
I don’t think Jones’ supporters are defending him because he’s a swell guy and they hang out with him on the weekends. I think he’s supported because they (and I) genuinely don’t think he’s the real problem. Another QB won’t fix the line.
I do think that Jones’ detractors are giving him more blame than he deserves (and he does deserve some) because he’s the face of the team, and the only player besides the center that touches the ball on every play. It’s not hard to blame the QB, just like hockey fans who really don’t know the game always blame the goalie regardless of what happens in front of him. Not to mention people around here are spoiled. It really isn’t as easy as the last 20 years looked.
I’m just surprised that Belichick isn’t taking more heat. If DeAndre Hopkins is a Patriot, I know at least one of these games turns out differently. Belichick the GM gets a pass because Belichick the coach has won so much. Most of the media are probably afraid to call him out because they don’t want the Patriots to revoke their credentials.
On the bright side, this is really only week two of the new offense. The next two weeks are crucial.
PS: Jones’ development as a pro quarterback was absolutely stunted last year. Let’s not forget that. We all know why, so I won’t get into that.
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smithformeragent
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Yes, actually.
At some point, the bandaid needs to be ripped off.
You can only spin your wheels as an organization so long. They haven’t bottomed out, but they’re also (currently) headed nowhere other than mediocrity.
Their margin for error on the field is non existent. They literally need everything to go right to win games.
Trickery. Fortunate bounces. And then need to cash in on plays like the blocked field goal.
Once you use an item from your bag of tricks, teams know to plan for them. They only work once.
Smoke and mirrors only gets your so far when you don’t have the horses.
So 20% of the NFL has great O lines and his WR are inferior. That's an indictment of primarily BB the GM, but to a degree BB the coach because IMO that's a pretty low threshold to meet to achieve a superior or great O line.
Why? He should have been fired after last season when he thought it was a good idea to surround Mac Jones with Matt Patricia and no talent. Why do we think lazy Robert Kraft is gonna then do something with Shula record imminent?
But at least Bill got to teach Douglas a lesson last night!
Bruins/Dolphins fan coming in peace. One of our local reporters always says that BB the GM is trying to get BB the coach fired. More and more, that seems like the case... Feels like the roster should be better when the QB is on a rookie contract. He overvalues guys that play well against the Patriots than guys who play well against everyone else.
Point 1 - your local reporter is right.
Point 2 - probably correct on this point as well.
KrejciMVP
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Bill can get Mac and Obrien the ball back 100 times in pivotal situations. Those 2 just wont take advantage. Could be 2-0 if Mac had a 100th of Bradys 4th quarter ability. Bills draft pick made a big INT last night and special teams made 2 them miss 2 FGs. Just like Bloom Im waiting out this clown show at QB till a change is made. buckle up for a wild media week
I have no problem getting on Mac for the truly bonehead plays but we all know he's not an elite QB. So if you wanna win with Mac you certainly need a better OL and skill position players than Bill has provided.
KrejciMVP
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we'll see I think the main culprit is the QB who can't elevate anyone and never will and has no 4th quarter magic. We wont know until we see a another QB. If they fire Bill he'll land on his feet as a coach far sooner than Mac will help another team. The whole Obrien will help Mac is one big pile of BS pushed on us for months
Not sure how anyone can complain about O'Brien. The offense actually looks like it's being called by someone who knows what they are doing. He's just working with a bunch of average pass catchers and a qb who craps his pants half the time he has to throw the ball more than 10 yards.
I think we might be surprised by the lack of interest in Bill is he was a "free agent". He's in his 70s and has shown no ability to adapt the modern football post Brady. The only teams that would show interest are win now teams with elite QBs/established offenses. Usually those teams aren't looking for a coach to begin with.
Yeah the offense looks like a legitimate offense, it’s the execution by the talent that’s an issue
ON3M4N
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I haven't once flexed Mac Jones as a great QB. When he's made a bad play I've said so. When he's made a good play I've said so. Do I think Mac is the long term solution? Right now it doesn't seem like he is. Is he what's holding the team back? absolutely not. I'd say right now Jones is better than average, but not good enough lead a team into a deep playoff run. In fairness though there aren't a lot of those guys in the NFL that truly can do that, hell there are only 4 starting QB's I believe that actually have a Superbowl ring (Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers & Wilson). Of those 4 guys Mahomes & Rodgers are probably the only two that instantly make this team better because of how elite they are.
So you're right, you wont win with an avg QB. That's why Mahomes & KC have been in the Superbowl for 3 of the last 4 years. He is head and shoulders better than every other QB in the NFL. Most of the current NFL QB's don't have that ability (or have shown it consistently yet) that they can elevate others. Even look at a guy like Josh Allen. He was ok his first few years, but really took off once BUF brought in Diggs. Tua was decent his first few years, but then had his best season when Tyreek Hill was acquired.
smithformeragent
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Looking ahead, I think they beat the Jets and lose to Dallas.
Totally expect them to then beat New Orleans and Vegas and be at 3-3, which is pretty much what they’ve been post Brady: competitive against the stronger teams, but lose. Clean up against the middle of the pack and bad teams.
Within striking distance of the playoffs, yet not a true contender.
Totally expect them to then beat New Orleans and Vegas and be at 3-3, which is pretty much what they’ve been post Brady: competitive against the stronger teams, but lose. Clean up against the middle of the pack and bad teams.
Within striking distance of the playoffs, yet not a true contender.
KrejciMVP
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Bill gets a good QB again look out IMO. He can only do so much holding these high offenses a low point total. The Philly and Miami games should be Ws
PatriceBergeron
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It’s going to take a dumpster fire 5-12/6-11 season for them to fire Bill. If he goes 8-9 again I’d be shocked if Kraft fires him 10 wins away from Shula.
Kraft is already embarrassed about pushing Brady out and I don’t think he wants to do the same to Belichick unless he absolutely has to. Getting Belichick that record is this team’s Super Bowl over the next 2-3 seasons.
Kraft is already embarrassed about pushing Brady out and I don’t think he wants to do the same to Belichick unless he absolutely has to. Getting Belichick that record is this team’s Super Bowl over the next 2-3 seasons.
Bill is also responsible for the subpar talent all over this team. Maybe if he was just the coach he'd be fine. But he's in over his head as GM.
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