Proposal: Penguins sell-off trades (Canucks, Avalanche, Kings and Predators)

[DingDongCharlie]

Absolutely zero interest in the Colorado one... How is Nedjelkovic even remotely an upgrade on our current goaltending, ditto O'Connor quite frankly.


And you want a 2nd for that?

I thought I was crazy thinking O'Connor does basically nothing for Colorado but add a warm body for a 2nd? That's pretty bad for the Avs. Remove Ned and maybe a 3rd rounder for DOC as depth insurance and a change of scenery to see if he can even repeat last seasons production with a new opportunity.

And I see Nuke, Drouin and Wood are expected back vs Washington now which massively lessened the need to add depth.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I thought I was crazy thinking O'Connor does basically nothing for Colorado but add a warm body for a 2nd? That's pretty bad for the Avs. Remove Ned and maybe a 3rd rounder for DOC as depth insurance and a change of scenery to see if he can even repeat last seasons production with a new opportunity.

And I see Nuke, Drouin and Wood are expected back vs Washington now which massively lessened the need to add depth.

Fretting over the difference between a 2027 2nd and a 2025 3rd seems bizarre.

The point of that deal was that Nedjelkovic had the value of a 3rd and O'Connor had the value of a 3rd, but since Colorado didn't have any 3rds in their next 2 years, it was instead a 2027 2nd (which is much less valuable than a 2025 2nd) and a 2025 4th. And for proof future 2nds are worth less than current year 2nds:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823351551273967991

 

[benfranklin]

Value wise, sure from the Avs, but neither are really players they need nor an upgrade to anything they have.

 

[dbaz]

Fretting over the difference between a 2027 2nd and a 2025 3rd seems bizarre.

The point of that deal was that Nedjelkovic had the value of a 3rd and O'Connor had the value of a 3rd, but since Colorado didn't have any 3rds in their next 2 years, it was instead a 2027 2nd (which is much less valuable than a 2025 2nd) and a 2025 4th. And for proof future 2nds are worth less than current year 2nds:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823351551273967991

umm this doesnt prove your point at all. you do realize stl overpaid for the pick so they could get their own pick back to offersheet broberg and hollaway, right?

 

[Empoleon8771]

umm this doesnt prove your point at all. you do realize stl overpaid for the pick so they could get their own pick back to offersheet broberg and hollaway, right?

Or maybe that's kind of trade actually shows the future value of picks?

Debating that a future 2nd isn't worth less than a current year 2nd is bizarre.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I could see Ottawa having interest in OConnor. Possibly involving Boucher?

 

[miscs75]

Beauvillier for Wahlstrom, thanks

 

[Bishop7979]

Honestly not all that impressed by what L.A can offer back for rackell and there are other teams that would probably offer more. I could see the ducks taking him back or even buffalo being a better fit, both teams have better assets to offer if you are looking to have a young player or prospect coming back in the deal.

Kailyev is almost in waiver wire territory, doesn't have the speed to be a top six winger, and I thought was potentially out for months with an injury that could require surgery. so if you wanna take a chance on him you trade rackell somewhere else and try to pick up Kailyev for one of the extra mid rounders that have been banked recently.

I know turcott was mentioned, and I actually like the kid, he has real skill, but he has about the same awareness on the ice that lindros did, and is injured just as much.

The thing with O'Connor is, he's a guy if want to keep around, especially if he gets a real opportunity at center and especially if Sullivan finally gets sh!t canned.

You need players to fill out a roster and what o'conner would get back right now is less than I feel he's actually worth.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Beauvillier for Wahlstrom, thanks

I don't like Beauvillier but you found someone I'd like even less :laugh;

Beauvillier this year alone has more goals than Wahlstrom has in the last 2 years, and he only has 5 goals this year.

If you want Beauvillier back, just throw us like a 4th and I figure he'd be yours.

 

[miscs75]

I don't like Beauvillier but you found someone I'd like even less :laugh;

Beauvillier this year alone has more goals than Wahlstrom has in the last 2 years, and he only has 5 goals this year.

If you want Beauvillier back, just throw us like a 4th and I figure he'd be yours.

Moving Wally to move out the roster spot. If not him, Fasching works too.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I disagree as they have a top tier team now. You never know what can happen between now and when/if Nabokov is ready.

If you told me that after the cup win they’d lose immediately 2 key players (Kadri and Landy) from their top 6 and sporadically a 3rd in Nuke? I’d get worried their goalie situation. Compact that with the downgrade of the d-core from things such as moving Byram and Toews’ (possibly injury related) regression? I’d have said they should have swung for the fences on a goalie.

Even with all the lineup changes since the Cup win, and key guys being out due to injury, the Avs are currently allowing the 2nd fewest shots per game in the NHL, so I'm struggling to figure out why they need to swing for the fences on a goalie. For that matter, who has been remotely available that would even be considered swinging for the fences? And how much would they cost in trade assets and cap space, both of which are in short supply?

 

[JoeSakic13]

Even with all the lineup changes since the Cup win, and key guys being out due to injury, the Avs are currently allowing the 2nd fewest shots per game in the NHL, so I'm struggling to figure out why they need to swing for the fences on a goalie. For that matter, who has been remotely available that would even be considered swinging for the fences? And how much would they cost in trade assets and cap space, both of which are in short supply?

Yet they are tied with San Jose for 2nd most GA and have a record just above .500.

Not to say it’s all on the goalie as the shots being allowed in some cases are unstoppable by any goalie, but an upgrade in net has been apparent for a while now.

 

[Armourboy]

If Nashville wasn't in essentially the same shape team wise and Letang's deal was shorter then maybe. I have no issue trading Carrier to someone, frankly I'll trade anyone on our roster defensively for the right price right now.

 

[Reaper45]

I’d trade Kaliyev easily, but no interest in Rakell. Turcotte isn’t getting traded. I don’t see the Kings and Pens as good trading partners.

 

[carjackmalone]

Hronek and Hoglander for Malkin

 

[kanucks25]

Hronek and Hoglander for Malkin

Canucks need help on D as it is and Hronek is one of their only 2 legit top 4 guys lol

 

[Hobnobs]

These proposals also have the Kyle Dubas tax included on them, so they may seem odd targeting future picks and mediocre returns but that seems to be Dubas' strategy.

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Marcus Pettersson at 50%
Canucks trade Desharnais, Elias Pettersson (D-man) and a 2025 2nd

Pettersson immediately slides onto the 2nd pair to play with Myers, which makes the Canucks 3rd pair Soucy-Brannstrom. Elias is a good stylistic replacement for Marcus as a prospect and the 2025 2nd replaces the one they don't have. Desharnais is mostly included for cap, but he's a guy who can play regular minutes now and likely can bring back another mid round pick next year.

Trade 2:

Penguins trade O'Connor and Nedjelkovic
Avs trade a 2027 2nd and 2025 4th

Pretty simple one, Avs get some goaltending help and cheap forward depth and the Penguins get more futures. I think a 3rd for each of O'Connor and Nedjelkovic is fair, but since the Avs don't have any 3rds in the next 2 years, I made it a 2nd in 2 years the line and a 4th this year.

Note I'm not sure of the cap implications of this with Colorado, it's only them adding about $3 million but I don't know if they have the cap space to add $3 million right now. Since it seems like Landeskog is done, I think they may have the LTIR space for it though.

Trade 3:

Penguins trade Rakell
Kings trade Kaliyev and a 2026 2nd

Kings get a righty scoring winger that should be able to help out with their mediocre total scoring (15th) and PP% (24th). The Kings also have very few righty shots in their forward group, so I think adding Rakell gives them a bit more balance with that. Penguins get an interesting reclamation project in Kaliyev and another 2nd in 2026. I'd also be interested in Turcotte as that "interesting reclamation project" but I think there's no chance the Kings would go for that.

I think the cap could be complicated for the Kings trade as well, it largely depends on when Doughty is projected to be healthy.

Trade 4:

Penguins trade Letang
Predators trade Carrier and a 2025 3rd

Think this one may be too aggressive of an ask from the Predators, but Letang adds another legitimate OFD thread from their blueline behind Josi. Penguins get a worse but younger RD to replace Letang and more futures.

I think this one is a long-shot due to Nashville's struggles to start this year, but I doubt they'd just throw in the towel after signing Stamkos and Marchessault last year. They also have 3 1sts this year, so I could see them being willing to sacrifice some futures to get better now.

I don't hate any of these trades. Not a fan of any of teams involved in them but looks good to me.

I'm not sure what Yzermans plan is but I have a feeling DRW can offer a tad more of Pens are willing to take contract back for Pettersson.