On strictly talent, he isn't better than Clifton, never mind much better. Shattenkirk's remaining NHL skill set from the first two games is his passing ability and that's it.
His board play and skating aren't NHL level right now.
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On strictly talent, he isn't better than Clifton, never mind much better. Shattenkirk's remaining NHL skill set from the first two games is his passing ability and that's it.
His board play and skating aren't NHL level right now.
I was thinking while watching this game and seeing the penalties pile up “this is the weird kind of game we’d somehow win anyways last year… but this year don’t expect it”. Well what do you know, we pulled it off. I was happy with the poise if the team. When Lindholm got called, you could see his frustration, and that was what lead to the 6-5 goal. But besides that, we kept coming and it paid off.
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I like Coyle as a 3rd center, his offense is, let's just say limited and he should not be centering Marchand and DeBrusk.
Not his fault that he was put in that position, that is on Sweeney for lack of center depth.
They are much bigger than the past year. On a physical POV, IMO they will be tougher to play against, and guys like Marchand and Pastrnak should be less abuse. Right now, best NHL goalie tandem, good D squad, top 3 sniper, size and toughness.... the only part to be seen is
- The center line position
If Poitras comes down to people expectations, and Coyle and Zacha taking charge and upgrading their game, this team can be very very good.
JVR will be good on the PP. His net presence won't shy.
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I’d rather bury Frederic and Geekie with defensive zone matchups than DeBrusk and Marchand. It seems inevitable that Coyle and Poitras will end up switching up at some point.
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Understood but after watching him play top line minutes in the playoffs (when it matters most) I changed my perspective RE Coyle. Dude proved he belongs in the top lines. I've been impressed last 2 games and specifically last night. Not saying he doesn't make a good 3rd line center (probably the best) but he certainly can play top 2 on this bruins team.
The meshing part will come together ... that could be with March/Debrusk and/or Pasta/Zach or Pasta/Debrusk/Other.
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I could see the bruins trying a little bit of everything...This west coast swing will be difficult with the bruins/line matching ... being the visiting team.
3rd line C responsibilities include Beecher, Richie, Ralph Malph, Zacha, Coyle...Potsy probably makes most sense top 2 lines however he's still only 19 and this last game it was obvious the Preds were focussed on roughing him up along the boards...especially behind the net. It will take time for Potsy to adjust to the physical part of the game...the speed part is no issue whatsoever.
I see some mix matching first 15 games or so.
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They will, but if the 63-13-74 line is going to get shutdown or be essentially a net zero when it comes to 5v5 offensive impact then it puts more pressure on lines 2 & 3 to pick up the slack. It's only two games, but Coyle is getting absolutely caved in on faceoffs at 43% and he leds are team in draws taken.
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Last night's game was a great goaltenders dual. Zero weak goals allowed.
Three stars: 1.Swayman 2. Bruins PK 3. Bruins Power Play
Bad night for 4th line and bottom pair.
Lindholm had a rough night.
Beecher only center to win 50% of faceoffs (6-5).
Marchand playing too close to the edge right now. Still missing Bergy.
Poitras got cuffed around pretty good.
So many bad penalties in first two periods. All well deserved.
Three stars: 1.Swayman 2. Bruins PK 3. Bruins Power Play
Bad night for 4th line and bottom pair.
Lindholm had a rough night.
Beecher only center to win 50% of faceoffs (6-5).
Marchand playing too close to the edge right now. Still missing Bergy.
Poitras got cuffed around pretty good.
So many bad penalties in first two periods. All well deserved.
Also, last year Coyle had pretty good chemistry with Freddy, albeit the third was Taylor Hall.
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2nd game of the season, Bruins are 2-0.
Still can find a way to take a swipe at Sweeney.
wintersej
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The Bruins as built can’t afford to have their 2nd and 3rd best wingers on a net zero line. Gotta give them some time, but my gut ain’t feeling positive about it right now.
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His F/O % should improve...it's normally a strength of his. I believe he was at 60% last playoff.
To be honest I'm not sure the bruins have a top line...Line 1 and Line 2 are essentially Line 1 with Coyle line taking on a more defensive responsibility.
Coyle isn't all to blame when it comes to the offensive production. Marchad/Debrusk are also responsible for making things happen but I also see them as "more" responsible D forwards. All three are key to the PK.
How does a zero line team win their first two games?
Forbort showing why he is an important part of this team. Special teams are critical in this league. He played over 6 min on PK last night that went 6-6. Just one pp goal and the outcome is different.
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Exactly. I thought he was all around the net against Chicago. I know he was all around the net last night.
He is probably going to be exactly what this team needs. Gritty, greasy, ugly goals around the mouth of the net. Not sure we going to be a high scoring team so we’re gonna need some lunchpail goals and JVR is the kind of guy to do it.
I hope that you have some joy in other parts of your life because your takes are so negative.
Strong net-front presence tips chances in favor of the Bruins’ James van Riemsdyk, Trent Frederic - The Boston Globe
What does it take to get a puck past the goalie off a tip beyond positioning and hand-eye coordination? “Courage would be the No. 1 factor,” Bruins coach Jim Montgomery said.
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James van Riemsdyk remembers the days when his dad, Frans, would fire pucks toward him and his brothers in the driveway at their Middletown, N.J., home.
This wasn’t a punishment drill. It was a tip drill.
James, Trevor, and Brendan would take turns standing in front of the net and try to redirect Frans’s shots.
“He never gave me the chin music,” James said with a snicker. “Really it was more just knocking [the pucks] down and knocking them dead.”
Trent Frederic used to perform similar drills with his brother, Grant, taking turns zipping shots in their basement in St. Louis.
“There was a speed limit on the shots, and you’d try to knock it down and then shoot it,” Frederic said. “I feel like everyone kind of plays those games and we actually do a lot of it in practice.”
The practice paid off for Frederic and the Bruins in Wednesday’s opening win against the Blackhawks. Parked in front of the Chicago net, the big winger karate-chopped a Brandon Carlo wrister that escaped goalie Arvid Soderblom.
It paid dividends for van Riemsdyk in Saturday night’s 3-2 win over the Predators, as his second power-play goal of the contest came on a beautiful redirect of a Charlie McAvoy shot and stood up as the game-winner.
“That second tip, the second goal is incredible, but the plays that we go down low, he has the poise, and he makes really good decisions,” coach Jim Montgomery said. “And they have to be split-second decisions.”
The art of tipping pucks involves positioning and excellent hand-eye coordination, but there’s one quality that is most important.
“Courage would be the No. 1 factor,” Montgomery said.
Stationing yourself in front of the net, players know they’re going to be subjected to punishment. Sometimes harsh punishment. Whether it’s feeling a defenseman’s stick in the small of their back or a goalie’s twig hacking at their ankles, it’s not duty for the faint of heart.
“Being big and heavy helps, because you’re harder to move from those areas,” Montgomery noted.
Van Riemsdyk (6 feet 3 inches, 208 pounds) and Frederic (6-3, 214) have the requisite size for the role.
“Being a bigger guy obviously I can take away the eyes of the goalie fairly easily with my wingspan and stuff like that,” said van Riemsdyk, who has made a career scoring in tight. “And then depending on if the shot’s low or high, there’s different strategies you might try or if the shot’s a little bit slower versus harder, there might be some different things you might try to throw the goalie off. So, there’s definitely some tricks you pick up over the years and definitely obviously something I take a lot of pride in that part of my game.”
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I don’t think he’s ever been renowned in his own end. One thing I have noticed is he doesn’t screw around pinning pucks to walls (kinda like Carlo does).
Once it is on his stick he’s looking to go north. Different mentality than most of their other dmen.
He’s probably their best passer back there on pure talent. That first game he all in one motioned a chest high saucer across the ozone blue line in the tape of whoever it was.
When he did that my first thought was he’s the only guy on the team that would even try that let alone succeed at it.
Different player for sure. It’ll be interesting to see how they use him.
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Watched Shattenkirk in person a lot with Rags. Only 2 games, but he's keeping it simple here and much better than the trainwreck at MSG.
Beecher . . .not so sure he's going to stick there or stay healthy, but Monty has him out there in last minute of the game so what do I know.
Potsy . . . i think mngt is still considering him going back. He's going to take a beating in the NHL, despite incredible vision on the ice.
Team truly needs a 1C so other Centers can slot into their rightful places.
Beecher . . .not so sure he's going to stick there or stay healthy, but Monty has him out there in last minute of the game so what do I know.
Potsy . . . i think mngt is still considering him going back. He's going to take a beating in the NHL, despite incredible vision on the ice.
Team truly needs a 1C so other Centers can slot into their rightful places.
Brandon Carlo is elite
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IMO Poitras will suit very well top 6 at some point. I agree with the Bruins and the way they manage the kid right now. Don't burn him. Pressure on top 6 assignment and Boston Fans expectation can definitely be tough to manage for a kid. Let him adapt to NHL calendar, pro life, media etc.... than the time will bring him up the roster.
Did I watch the game what an insulting comment No I got up this morning and decided to say so far I am not sure how I feel about Shattenkirk's game. Like Really. I could be more specific on the aspects of Shattenkirk's game that have been weak, but apparently , I do not watch the games
