GDT: G1: NYR @ Wild 7pm CT (BSN)

[AKL]

Being upset with it is reasonable, but having your agent publicly call out the GM about it is entering temper tantrum territory.

That's something you'd expect out of MAF's agent.

It's a business, and that's a tool they had to get their way. Guerin made it clear he didn't care about Talbot or how he felt by 1) not talking to him about it beforehand and 2) going to the media and saying "if he's mad, oh well, he can suck it up, it's a business"

If you wanna be mad at Talbot, keep the same energy with Guerin.

 

[Wabit]

Perhaps if Talbot didn't have a temper tantrum, we'd have both guys. Then again, that would be an expensive mess.

Less than $7m for 2 goalies is an expensive mess?

 

[Wasted Talent]

It's a business, and that's a tool they had to get their way. Guerin made it clear he didn't care about Talbot or how he felt by 1) not talking to him about it beforehand and 2) going to the media and saying "if he's mad, oh well, he can suck it up, it's a business"

If you wanna be mad at Talbot, keep the same energy with Guerin.

I think it was one of those situations that reflected poorly on both parties. Not really mad at Talbot or Guerin about it.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Well you can't put Ek there, Steel hasn't been any better than Rossi (I'm not even sure Steel and Gaudreau are in the lineup tonight), and Boldy is a winger, so what's your plan?

Rossi isn't a grinder, maybe trying to force him into that role is why he's not doing much tonight?

His lone noticeable shift was unsurprisingly when he player with Kap and Zucc

A whole bunch of those goals would be going in no matter who was in our net. The Rangers executed really well, our D lost the positioning battle all night and forwards got caught puck watching in our own end. Positives to take away for some of our guys, all will be going to bed very mad tonight.

Nah. That's bullshit. Most of the goals weren't soft, but goalies need to make hard saves as well.

I'm not excusing the D game, but the difference in the game was that Igor stopped 9 of 11 high danger chances, Fleury stopped 7 of 13.

.830 is about average on high danger chances(Igor was .870 last year in winningthe Vezina), Fleury didn't stack up tonight. Let's hope he does moving forward.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Seemed about right.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Rossi had 10:24 of ice time, 3:40 of that was with Duhaime and Dewar, he had more time with our top 6 players than he did with the 4th line.

 

[AKL]

I think it was one of those situations that reflected poorly on both parties. Not really mad at Talbot or Guerin about it.

Maybe, but I'm still more inclined to forgive the scorned employee for exercising the one tool he had to get out of a bad situation (for himself) than I am the manager for creating the bad situation with his hubris.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Kinda felt like the Rangers were a tough home opener but yikes.

 

[AKL]

Rossi had 10:24 of ice time, 3:40 of that was with Duhaime and Dewar, he had more time with our top 6 players than he did with the 4th line.

Where are you getting your numbers

 

[ThatGuy22]

Hardly a temper tantrum when he signs here to be the starter, Guurin trades for his old buddy at the deadline, Talbot continues to outplay Fleury, and still loses his starter job.

You can say Talbot is nothing special and should have played better, but he didn't play his way out of a job, he lost his job because his GM liked another guy more. Talbot had a pretty reasonable response, all things considered.

He absolutely did play himself out of a job. By being terrible in the two months upto the trade deadline. We are not gold fish here. His last 10 games after the trade deadline don't erase the 20 before that led to the trade in the first place.

 

[AKL]

He absolutely did play himself out of a job. By being terrible in the two months upto the trade deadline. We are not gold fish here. His last 10 games after the trade deadline don't erase the 20 before that led to the trade in the first place.

Even if you make that argument, it doesn't really explain or excuse why Guerin went out and got a worse goaltender, who Talbot did subsequently play better than while they were both here.

 

[Eegs]

Boldy leads the league in most original goals/60

 

[thestonedkoala]

He absolutely did play himself out of a job. By being terrible in the two months upto the trade deadline. We are not gold fish here. His last 10 games after the trade deadline don't erase the 20 before that led to the trade in the first place.

What part of Talbot was injured do people forget?

As well, he had a .912 SV% in October, .915 SV% in November and a .914SV% in December. Maybe he didn't pass the eye test for you guys, but at the end of the day, those are pretty decent numbers and a save is a save.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Even if you make that argument, it doesn't really explain or excuse why Guerin went out and got a worse goaltender, who Talbot did subsequently play better than while they were both here.

I mean, the worse goal tender was playing on a lottery team with zero D and was the defending Vezina winner.

That certainly explains the acquisition given Talbots play leading to the deadline.

 

[AKL]

I mean, the worse goal tender was playing on a lottery team with zero D and was the defending Vezina winner.

That certainly explains the acquisition given Talbots play leading to the deadline.

What about the second part where Fleury didn't improve on a "contender" and Talbot outplayed him?

 

[Wabit]

Because he's going to spend more time with the puck on his stick because his linemates play the same possession game he does. The number of board battles he has to win on the fourth line is a direct result of the fact that his linemates are only on the ice to dump and chase.

It's about putting your players in roles that suit them and will help them succeed. Right now, Dean is not doing that for Rossi.

And hey, you've agreed Hartman shouldn't be there, I'm open to other suggestions, but you completely glossed over that part.

He was losing them on the friggin PP too. It's not just, oh it's his junk linemates fault. Rossi himself did nothing to make any plays for himself either.

I'm okay with trying him as a winger higher up in the lineup. Playing Rossi at a center higher up in the lineup right now is a worse idea than signing Rask and playing him at center. The game is too fast for the kid.

 

[AKL]

He was losing them on the friggin PP too. It's not just, oh it's his junk linemates fault. Rossi himself did nothing to make any plays for himself either.

I'm okay with trying him as a winger higher up in the lineup. Playing Rossi at a center higher up in the lineup right now is a worse idea than signing Rask and playing him at center. The game is too fast for the kid.

It's really not, and frankly you've had an axe to grind with Rossi since he was drafted, so I'm not totally surprised by this.

You still haven't suggested a better alternative for that top center spot. If we both get really honest with each other, we know Rask would not be a better option. It's pretty ludicrous to even suggest that.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Where are you getting your numbers

New York Rangers @ Minnesota Wild, 2022-10-13

www.naturalstattrick.com

Connor Dewar

Marco Rossi

Brandon Duhaime

3:40

0.81

4.64

14.89

-30.33

Marco Rossi

C

10:24

6

9

40.00

-16.00

Matches the eye test, did you not see them throwing him out there on staggered shifts?

 

[thestonedkoala]

I mean, the worse goal tender was playing on a lottery team with zero D and was the defending Vezina winner.

That certainly explains the acquisition given Talbots play leading to the deadline.

You mean the Talbot that came back from an injury?

 

[AKL]

New York Rangers @ Minnesota Wild, 2022-10-13

www.naturalstattrick.com

Connor Dewar

Marco Rossi

Brandon Duhaime

3:40

0.81

4.64

14.89

-30.33

Marco Rossi

C

10:24

6

9

40.00

-16.00

Matches the eye test, did you not see them throwing him out there on staggered shifts?

I saw them mixing, I'm not disagreeing that he was on the ice with other players at times, I'm questioning how much he was actually with Boldy/Kaprizov versus how much he just wasn't playing with Dewar and Duhaime specifically (Steel, Zuccarello, Gaudreau).

The site I'm seeing is showing 4:12 at even strength with Dewar and Duhaime, and a total of 2:38 at even strength with at least one of Boldy or Kaprizov. 0:55 without Boldy or Kaprizov but some other iteration than Dewar and Duhaime.

On the PP I'm seeing 0:54 seconds with the second unit, which is not top six players, 0:48 seconds when they double shifted Kaprizov, and 0:02 seconds with Boldy and without Kaprizov.

So what is that, 3:28 with Boldy or Kaprizov, 6:01 without either of them?

 

[ThatGuy22]

What about the second part where Fleury didn't improve on a "contender" and Talbot outplayed him?

Well, he did improve slightly. And again the previous season he won the vezina and hada .920 in a long playoff run.

Honestly, don't blame the team for going with Fleury in the playoffs, or sticking with him.

The revisionist history on Talbot is a bit nuts to me, and I literally just posted about Fleury being terrible today. So it's not like I'm a worshipper or anything.

Talbots problem last year was he was among the worst in the league in low danger shots, Fleurys problem today was he got rocked on high danger shots. I do have hope Fleury cam fix that, or we are in a lot of trouble. Like we were when Talbot couldn't stop beach balls.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

I saw them mixing, I'm not disagreeing that he was on the ice with other players at times, I'm questioning how much he was actually with Boldy/Kaprizov versus how much he just wasn't playing with Dewar and Duhaime specifically.

I mean, did you see him play with Foligno and Jost? Who else would he have been on the ice with?

 

[Wabit]

Where are you getting your numbers

New York Rangers @ Minnesota Wild, 2022-10-13
Natural stat trick. Even straight 5v5 ToI numbers Rossi had 2+ mins more ToI than either Duhaime or Dewar.

Rossi: 7:43
Dewar: 5:37
Duhaime: 4:48

 

[ThatGuy22]

You mean the Talbot that came back from an injury?

His injury magically fixed the day we acquired Fleury?

He needed the competition last year to be good, and didn't want to deal with it this year.

His call.

 

[AKL]

I mean, did you see him play with Foligno and Jost? Who else would he have been on the ice with?

See my update above.