G Sebastian Cossa (2021, 15th, DET)

[Pavels Dog]

I think it's worth bumping, he's started to turn things around a bit.

 

[brakeyawself]

Needed another year of Jrs. Too bad he couldn't go to college or something. Anyway, it's going to take him time to develop clearly. But things still looking good IMO. He just wasn't ready for the AHL and it showed. Bad decision on everyone's part. At least he's getting active game time. He'll be back in the AHL by next year I assume, with more experience now.

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

Needed another year of Jrs. Too bad he couldn't go to college or something. Anyway, it's going to take him time to develop clearly. But things still looking good IMO. He just wasn't ready for the AHL and it showed. Bad decision on everyone's part. At least he's getting active game time. He'll be back in the AHL by next year I assume, with more experience now.























Yzerman made a good move to have him in Toledo playing meaningful games for a good Walleye team rather than getting shelled night after night in Grand Rapids on an awful Griffins squad.
He'll take a little extra time, but he's really come into his own these last 13 games including 6 SO. He'll find his game and be an excellent netminder at the professional level.

 

[SoundAndFury]

So Wings still have no space to give him a look at the AHL level?

 

[Hen Kolland]

So Wings still have no space to give him a look at the AHL level?

They intentionally beefed up the goaltending depth of the organization, so no, there really isn't a slot in GR. However, Yzerman is also very persistent in the belief that consistency and reps are the most important things for prospects developing in professional leagues. It's why Seider was dominating the AHL but didn't come up, and then went to Sweden for a full year. It's why Edvinsson has been in GR, and despite being their best player presently, he hasn't been called up. It's why Berggren played the entire in GR last year despite being their best player. It's why Soderblom was set down to GR this year and has not been brought back up.

Bouncing around makes it difficult for prospects, and call ups to play reduced roles or get fewer reps or starts is not making the most of their developmental time.

His expectation is that the promotion will come when he's certain that a consistent role is available. For Cossa, Toledo has been consistent and a guaranteed 1-2 starts per week, and as he has gotten more comfortable and looked worthy for a call up to the AHL, Yzerman will wait until next year not to f*** with his head or mojo

 

[Stony Curtis]

Despite what some fans think, struggles were always going to be a part of his development. What I wanted to see is how he responded. I mean, unless the pick is generational, isn't that what player development is? Struggle. Respond. Over and over. Until you find your ceiling.

 

[GTA]

So Wings still have no space to give him a look at the AHL level?

He’s only been an above average goalie in the ECHL - should probably dominate at his current level before they think about pushing him to the AHL

 

[SoundAndFury]

He’s only been an above average goalie in the ECHL - should probably dominate at his current level before they think about pushing him to the AHL

Doesn't he have like .95 Sv% this year? Seems pretty dominant to me.

But I get the argument, it would just be interesting to see him at a higher level from the fan's perspective.

 

[Hen Kolland]

He’s only been an above average goalie in the ECHL - should probably dominate at his current level before they think about pushing him to the AHL

He's currently dominating the league and he will advance to the AHL next year. It hasn't been sustained dominance, but in his past 11 starts, he is rocking a 0.953 save % and a 1.36 GAA with 4 shutouts. There isn't much more that can be done to "dominate".

 

[BB88]

Doesn't he have like .95 Sv% this year? Seems pretty dominant to me.

But I get the argument, it would just be interesting to see him at a higher level from the fan's perspective.

2.5gaa and 91.1%

 

[Hen Kolland]

Doesn't he have like .95 Sv% this year? Seems pretty dominant to me.

But I get the argument, it would just be interesting to see him at a higher level from the fan's perspective.

Full year he is only at .911, .929 in 2023.

 

[SoundAndFury]

2.5gaa and 91.1%

I meant this year, not this season.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Markstrom took like 300 years to break through.

Goalies tend to take time anyways. Easier to say when Cossa isn't a prospect for my team, but need some patience with this guy.

 

[UrbanImpact]

oooof, this is why you dont spend high high draft capital on Goaltenders unless they are a cant miss prospect. Cossa was not that. He was playing in front of a very stacked team in Edmonton.

Glad he is turning things around but ECHLis not good competition by any means.


Not only did Detroti spend a high 15th pick on a goaltender, it looks like they spent it on the wrong goaltender.

Wallstedt is trending ridiculously well

 

[SoundAndFury]

Wallstedt is trending ridiculously well

.909 Sv% in his third pro season is far from ridiculously well. Askarov has stronger numbers and is almost the same age and half of the people labeled him a borderline bust.

 

[Petes2424]

When you draft a goaltender, you forget about trying to predict anything about said goaltender for the next 4-5 years. You make sure they have a competitive environment to play in, and let the clock start ticking each year.

He did everything he could do in junior hockey. He was average much of this season but he’s grown into the part. He will likely do the exact same thing in Grand Rapids next year, but where you wanna see the biggest shift, is the 24-25’ season. Likely still in the AHL.

It’s why I’d never draft a goaltender in the first round. You just don’t know, and they’re the hardest thing to predict under 23-24.

As it currently stands, he’s doing just fine, but for all we know, there’s some fringe, undrafted, 20 year old in Northern Sweden right now, who ends up being Detroit’s goaltender ahead of Cossa for ten years.

You just don’t know. Anyone pretending they do, plays video games way too much.

 

[Frank Drebin]

oooof, this is why you dont spend high high draft capital on Goaltenders unless they are a cant miss prospect. Cossa was not that. He was playing in front of a very stacked team in Edmonton.

Glad he is turning things around but ECHLis not good competition by any means.


Not only did Detroti spend a high 15th pick on a goaltender, it looks like they spent it on the wrong goaltender.

Wallstedt is trending ridiculously well

Don't spend high draft picks on goalies, did I mention wallstedt is trending great who was picked 20th overall?

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

The ECHL is better than juniors and he’s starting to really really dominate it. He’s making great saves too, his team is good but it isn’t just a case of low shot attempts and low scoring chances. I think all you can ask for in a goalie is that they progress over time in whatever league they are in, he’s 19 years old. He’s got plenty of time to still develop.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It’s why I’d never draft a goaltender in the first round. You just don’t know, and they’re the hardest thing to predict under 23-24.

I would probably say "never in the top 10". There's still great value in getting the best possible raw material to work with.

Take the 2021 draft as an example.

1st round:
- Wallstedt: playing well in the AHL
- Cossa: currently playing well in ECHL

2nd round:
- no goalies picked

3rd round:
- Kolosov: 6'0 goalie, minimal NHL potential
- Gaudreau: below .900 in the OHL
- Hamrla: below .900 in the QMJHL
- Lennox: below .900 in the OHL

etc.

Could someone from like the 6th round pan out? Sure. But both Wallstedt and Cossa are still heads and shoulders above anyone else in their development and potential.

 

[Petes2424]

I would probably say "never in the top 10". There's still great value in getting the best possible raw material to work with.

Take the 2021 draft as an example.

1st round:
- Wallstedt: playing well in the AHL
- Cossa: currently playing well in ECHL

2nd round:
- no goalies picked

3rd round:
- Kolosov: 6'0 goalie, minimal NHL potential
- Gaudreau: below .900 in the OHL
- Hamrla: below .900 in the QMJHL
- Lennox: below .900 in the OHL

etc.

Could someone from like the 6th round pan out? Sure. But both Wallstedt and Cossa are still heads and shoulders above anyone else in their development and potential.

Today they both do, but just look at starting goaltenders in the league. Every situation imaginable really. Undrafted, high pick, low picks, etc.

Just look at Detroit right now. Their 3 goalie prospects are a 1st Rounder (Cossa), a 6th Rounder (Brattstrom) and a 4th Rounder (Bednar).

Brattstrom is likely out the door here at 25, but with his size, would anyone be surprised if he returns at let’s say 28, and becomes an NHL goaltender? There’s a lot of stories like his.

As for the other two, I wouldn’t discount Bednar to become the Detroit goaltender in 3-4 years. Not at all. He’s only 20 and has already had some nice moments despite losing this year to injury.

The only thing being drafted higher does, is hands you more opportunity at a younger age. Wellstedt is taking advantage of that. I would’ve taken him over Cossa but still wouldn’t have drafted him that high.

Obviously not how Yzerman thinks as he’s now drafted two goaltenders in the 1st Round, but there are a lot of managers who won’t.

Look at Detroit’s 2 NHL goalies right now. Hellberg was the much more highly ranked prospect over Husso.

We also see teams basically give up on highly regarded prospects, just to see them end up successful with another team.

I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way to develop goalies either. The success stories are just all over the place. We just don’t know until they play in the league. While you want to see nice stats in whatever league they’re currently playing in, like I said earlier, it’s almost impossible to predict any goaltender’s path to the NHL.

 

[newfy]

There was talk at the start of the year somewhere that they were tweaking his stance, especially his glove and that some struggles were predicted. Maybe this is development now that hes getting it all figured out?

Its all about development anyways, I would rather him struggle early in the year and build towards the end. Would you rather a prospect play steady all year and end up a .915 save percentage or completely dominate down the stretch and end up only .912? I'll take the latter

 

[57special]

I've said this before, and will say it again. The ECHL is sometimes harder than the AHL for goalies.

 

[GTA]

He's currently dominating the league and he will advance to the AHL next year. It hasn't been sustained dominance, but in his past 11 starts, he is rocking a 0.953 save % and a 1.36 GAA with 4 shutouts. There isn't much more that can be done to "dominate".

There are likely 50 goalie prospects who look spectacular if you use take their best 11 game and ignore their other games.

 

[Hen Kolland]

There are likely 50 goalie prospects who look spectacular if you use take their best 11 game and ignore their other games.

And I’ll bet there just as many goalie prospects who struggled when jumping levels that went on to be really good hockey players. Learning curves are real. It’s not like we are taking a random 11 game sample. We are taking his most recent 11 game stretch of play. It might end up being randomly synchronized, but it could also be evidence of him figuring out that level

 

[KapG]

There are likely 50 goalie prospects who look spectacular if you use take their best 11 game and ignore their other games.

Poster isn’t cherry picking his best 11 games. It’s simply his last 11 that he’s played. There is a difference