G Sebastian Cossa (2021, 15th, DET)

[Michoulicious]

ECHL for 1st rounder, ouch, not the best look. Does Grand Rapids has such great goalie depth that you put your prized goalie prospect in the ECHL?

Hopefully he can make his way back up soon.

 

[Hen Kolland]

My god the people dropping in on this thread just can’t help but make comments despite not having the slightest f***ing clue as to what’s going on.

 

[RedWingzz]

My god the people dropping in on this thread just can’t help but make comments despite not having the slightest f***ing clue as to what’s going on.

Yeah, I mean I can understand it though. If you're not a Wings fan, and don't pay close attention to the team, I could see people simply stat checking on Cossa and going "ECHL? whaaaaat?".

Yzerman knew Cossa was a project since draft day. He looked shaky at the start of the year, but now he's more than finding him game. He'll be in GR next year.

 

[SirloinUB]

Needed another year of Jrs. Too bad he couldn't go to college or something. Anyway, it's going to take him time to develop clearly. But things still looking good IMO. He just wasn't ready for the AHL and it showed. Bad decision on everyone's part. At least he's getting active game time. He'll be back in the AHL by next year I assume, with more experience now.

He could have followed the Logan Thompson route and played university hockey in Canada, then Move to the EC

 

[Petes2424]

My god the people dropping in on this thread just can’t help but make comments despite not having the slightest f***ing clue as to what’s going on.

The ECHL comments are the funniest. Those people haven’t a clue. The same people who actually think the CHL is a better league, and would’ve been a better option.

 

[Szechwan]

The ECHL comments are the funniest. Those people haven’t a clue. The same people who actually think the CHL is a better league, and would’ve been a better option.

I don't think that, but I don't think you're being 100% honest about the ECHL. There's a reason it raises red flags for some, not many top prospects who end up in the ECHL end up hitting their potential.

That said, it's different for goalies; he's a young guy and playing time is important, so I don't think it's a big deal as long as he shows progress next season.

 

[UrbanImpact]

This is so far a very big swing and a miss pick for Yzerman especially when Ohtmann was picked right after Cossa.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

It’s good that he got his game back on track but when the year started this is not what Red Wings brass/fans were hoping to see. If he eventually makes the NHL no one will care or remember though so TBD.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

This is so far a very big swing and a miss pick for Yzerman especially when Ohtmann was picked right after Cossa.

Bit early to call it a swing and a miss, especially when Othmann has 0 professional games played. Besides, I'm sure Stevie is happy with Amadeus Lombardi's progression \m/

 

[Pavels Dog]

It’s good that he got his game back on track but when the year started this is not what Red Wings brass/fans were hoping to see. If he eventually makes the NHL no one will care or remember though so TBD.

Most of us didn’t believe he was AHL ready and ECHL was always viewed as a decent compromise.

 

[Reddwit]

This is so far a very big swing and a miss pick for Yzerman especially when Ohtmann was picked right after Cossa.

It’s embarrassing to suggest a 20 year old is a finished product, especially a goalie.

 

[UrbanImpact]

It’s embarrassing to suggest a 20 year old is a finished product, especially a goalie.

I never said he was a finished product, all i said was right now, its looking like a big swing and a miss.

Lots can change ahead, but right now, in a re-draft, Cossa doesnt go in the first round.

 

[saska sault]

Goalies usually peak in early 20s and development is basically finished shortly after. These guys are finished products, so let's just all agree Cossa is a bust and we will reevaluate in 5 years.

 

[Hen Kolland]

I never said he was a finished product, all i said was right now, its looking like a big swing and a miss.

Lots can change ahead, but right now, in a re-draft, Cossa doesnt go in the first round.

Nothing has changed in a significant enough fashion to suggest that he doesn't go in the first round. Goalie progression is expected to take time, why would the Wings bail on what they have seen to this point? They knew what they were getting into when they made their pick. Seemingly you do not.

 

[ThankGord]

This is so far a very big swing and a miss pick for Yzerman especially when Ohtmann was picked right after Cossa.

This post is a swing and a miss.

Plenty of good NHL goalies spent time in the ECHL including Holtby, Quick, Kolzig, Tim Thomas. Goalies take time to develop.

 

[GTA]

This post is a swing and a miss.

Plenty of good NHL goalies spent time in the ECHL including Holtby, Quick, Kolzig, Tim Thomas. Goalies take time to develop.

And how many goalies that spent time in the ECHL didn’t work out?

 

[ThankGord]

And how many goalies that spent time in the ECHL didn’t work out?

What’s your point? Mine was that playing in the ECHL doesn’t automatically mean he’s not on the right development path.

 

[Fatass]

This is so far a very big swing and a miss pick for Yzerman especially when Ohtmann was picked right after Cossa.

I seriously doubt this puck is Yzerman. This is a goalie, so I sure for sure 100% scouting department. Hi s name is attached, of course, but he was going with what his scouts deemed best.

 

[UrbanImpact]

This post is a swing and a miss.

Plenty of good NHL goalies spent time in the ECHL including Holtby, Quick, Kolzig, Tim Thomas. Goalies take time to develop.

The difference is those guys were drafted late enough that they can be considered long shots to make the league. 15th overall goalies should not have to spend time in the ECHL unless something has gone backwards in their development.

Holtby - 4th round pick
Quick- 3rd round pick
Tim Thomas- Round 9

Kolzig might be a good comparison since he was taken 19th overall....but waaay back in 1989. Thats not exactly the flight plan you want Cossa taking. Kolzig is the exception not the rule.

 

[Hen Kolland]

15th overall goalies should not have to spend time in the ECHL unless something has gone backwards in their development.

Nothing has gone backward in his development. At no point was he in a worse position this year than any year prior in his development. Presently, he is significantly further ahead in his development.

But sure, please continue to insist that you know more than the development staff of an NHL team. I’m sure you’re next in line for employment.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Nothing has gone backward in his development. At no point was he in a worse position this year than any year prior in his development. Presently, he is significantly further ahead in his development.

But sure, please continue to insist that you know more than the development staff of an NHL team. I’m sure you’re next in line for employment.

Nothing has gone backwards in his development?

So i guess im just imagining those 3 games he played in the AHL this year where he has a .783 Save % and got lit up for almost 6 goals a game?

MAybe backwards is the wrong word. but a development trajectory for a prospect ideally should be trending up, at the very least it should stay straight or stagnant Cossa's definitely plummeted down for a while there.

a 15th overall pick spending time in the ECHL definitely means something went off the rails , it doenst mean it cant get back on track though.

 

[dj Mahoney]

What should be a bigger concern with Wing fans is all the misses in the 2nd rd , 3rd rd and so on , Yzerman has accumulated many picks just a lot of rotten choices

 

[RedHawkDown]

What should be a bigger concern with Wing fans is all the misses in the 2nd rd , 3rd rd and so on , Yzerman has accumulated many picks just a lot of rotten choices

I’m not a huge fan of the Cossa pick but what are you even on abiut here ?

Wallinder, Buchelnikov, Mazur, Hanas, etc..plenty of guys trending to be NHL players and in the case of Wallinder has 1D potential. Why do people comment when they’ve got no clue

 

[dj Mahoney]

I’m not a huge fan of the Cossa pick but what are you even on abiut here ?

Wallinder, Buchelnikov, Mazur, Hanas, etc..plenty of guys trending to be NHL players and in the case of Wallinder has 1D potential. Why do people comment when they’ve got no clue

Wings have had 9 2nd rders since Yzerman came .Walinder #1 potiential ?In the ECHL perhaps.

 

[JT3]

Nothing has gone backwards in his development?

So i guess im just imagining those 3 games he played in the AHL this year where he has a .783 Save % and got lit up for almost 6 goals a game?

MAybe backwards is the wrong word. but a development trajectory for a prospect ideally should be trending up, at the very least it should stay straight or stagnant Cossa's definitely plummeted down for a while there.

a 15th overall pick spending time in the ECHL definitely means something went off the rails , it doenst mean it cant get back on track though.

If the 15th overall pick is a forward or a defenseman and they're in the ECHL sure, but that's not the case here. They deemed him too good for the CHL and knew the Oil Kings would be a dumpster so they moved him up a level. He wasn't quite ready for the AHL as that's a pretty huge leap for a goalie compared to CHL, and he has slowly come along and adapted to pro hockey in the ECHL instead. The ECHL is a higher level of hockey than the CHL, and Cossa has proved he can play there, so I don't see how it could be considered a downward trajectory at all.

CHL -> AHL is a massive gulf for a young goalie to overcome. I honestly think it's a contributing factor for why Canada has so many issues developing goalies over the last 10-20 years. To me, the ECHL is a logical next step for promising CHL goalies. You're trying to paint Cossa out to be a big disappointment because you saw 'ECHL' on his hockeydb without actually applying any logic or understanding the reasoning. I actually think it's a really smart development move by the Red Wings.