Confirmed with Link: G Ilya Samsonov heads to arbitration (Awarded 1 year, $3.55M)

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

20 is back up They need to build him up into an NHL starter. 45 this year and if can do it increase it to 55 next year.

He's the backup as long as Samsonov is healthy

 

[Nineteen67]

He's the backup as long as Samsonov is healthy

They already know Samsonov is not the answer, so why waste a year?
They have so many unanswered question and if by some miracle they fix the D and find a few forwards after JM is off the books, they don’t need to be developing Woll.

 

[Squiffy]

I'm interested to find out if the Arbitrator will show their work and explain his decision or just respond with a number.

So few of these cases make it through the arbitration system, so it would be good to be able to learn some new stuff on rulings and that might actually increase future cases.

Decision is supposed to include "a brief statement of the reasons for the decision, including
identification of any comparable(s) relied on." So hopefully we get the longhand version.

 

[ULF_55]

Decision is supposed to include "a brief statement of the reasons for the decision, including
identification of any comparable(s) relied on." So hopefully we get the longhand version.

As a spectator of the hockey game and the transaction game, I'm looking forward to the fall-out.

At this point I expect failure in the playoffs, so everything off the ice is just as entertaining.

 

[Legion34]

Ok isn’t it due now? I thought it was do at 9am

 

[LeafalCrusader]

That guy in Chicago had his hearing on Thursday and there's still no announcement. Wonder if we have to wait till after the weekend to find out what the decision is.

 

[ACC1224]

That guy in Chicago had his hearing on Thursday and there's still no announcement. Wonder if we have to wait till after the weekend to find out what the decision is.

No one wants to work on the weekend, Arbitrators are no different.

 

[Stephen]

They already know Samsonov is not the answer, so why waste a year?
They have so many unanswered question and if by some miracle they fix the D and find a few forwards after JM is off the books, they don’t need to be developing Woll.

When a new GM comes in, I'm sure a lot of things that were seen as solutions will be re-evaluated, and with the amount of things no nailed down, you probably just want to buy some time and assess options.

My feeling is Samsonov is not the answer. And I'm not sure about Woll. Woll's the latecomer with a lot of hype and hope but he's been a slow developer with a very short track record. He has a lot of the positive traits like calmness and maturity and quiet technique that are shortcomings in Samsonov's game, but who knows how that works out over 82 games, and then on repeat.

 

[BallardEra]

My feeling is Samsonov is not the answer.

I get the feeling Treliving isn't a fan of Samsonov too.

 

[Nineteen67]

When a new GM comes in, I'm sure a lot of things that were seen as solutions will be re-evaluated, and with the amount of things no nailed down, you probably just want to buy some time and assess options.

My feeling is Samsonov is not the answer. And I'm not sure about Woll. Woll's the latecomer with a lot of hype and hope but he's been a slow developer with a very short track record. He has a lot of the positive traits like calmness and maturity and quiet technique that are shortcomings in Samsonov's game, but who knows how that works out over 82 games, and then on repeat.

Precisely why you need to find out now rather than later.

That guy in Chicago had his hearing on Thursday and there's still no announcement. Wonder if we have to wait till after the weekend to find out what the decision is.

I assume it’s two business days but I don’t know for sure.

 

[BayStBullies]

I get the feeling Treliving isn't a fan of Samsonov too.

What leads you to think this is a Treliving feeling?

 

[ULF_55]

Ok isn’t it due now? I thought it was do at 9am

Why did you think that?

Just curious if there is something stating that, or just a feeling you had?

 

[ULF_55]

When a new GM comes in, I'm sure a lot of things that were seen as solutions will be re-evaluated, and with the amount of things no nailed down, you probably just want to buy some time and assess options.

My feeling is Samsonov is not the answer. And I'm not sure about Woll. Woll's the latecomer with a lot of hype and hope but he's been a slow developer with a very short track record. He has a lot of the positive traits like calmness and maturity and quiet technique that are shortcomings in Samsonov's game, but who knows how that works out over 82 games, and then on repeat.

Do you think Vladar is?

Treliving seems to be pulling in assets from the Soo Phoenix so maybe Calgary is next?

 

[Legion34]

Why did you think that?

Just curious if there is something stating that, or just a feeling you had?

I thought I read it was 48 hrs from the start of the hearing?

 

[ULF_55]

I thought I read it was 48 hrs from the start of the hearing?

YOu would be correct.

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• Arbitration Ruling:
  • Player & Club can settle on a deal at any point prior to the commencement of the hearing (Prior to the 2020 MOU, a settlement could be made at any point prior to the arbitration decision)
  • Once the hearing has taken place, the Salary Arbitration decision must be issued by email within 48 hrs of the closing [CBA 12.9(n)(i)]
  • Arbitration awards can only be 1 or 2 years in length [CBA 12.10(a)&(b)]
  • The party (Player or Club) who did not elect for Arbitration decides on the awarded term [CBA 12.10(a)&(b)]
  • Players who are in their final year Restricted Free Agency are only entitled to a 1 year term.
  • Club cannot walk away from a Club elected Arbitration Settlement [CBA 12.10(e)]
  • Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 1 year and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the awarded salary, making the player a UFA [CBA 12.10(a)]
  • Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 2 years and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the second (2nd) year of the awarded salary, making the player a UFA at the end of year 1 [CBA 12.10(b)]

 

[Legion34]

YOu would be correct.

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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• Arbitration Ruling:
  • Player & Club can settle on a deal at any point prior to the commencement of the hearing (Prior to the 2020 MOU, a settlement could be made at any point prior to the arbitration decision)
  • Once the hearing has taken place, the Salary Arbitration decision must be issued by email within 48 hrs of the closing [CBA 12.9(n)(i)]
  • Arbitration awards can only be 1 or 2 years in length [CBA 12.10(a)&(b)]
  • The party (Player or Club) who did not elect for Arbitration decides on the awarded term [CBA 12.10(a)&(b)]
  • Players who are in their final year Restricted Free Agency are only entitled to a 1 year term.
  • Club cannot walk away from a Club elected Arbitration Settlement [CBA 12.10(e)]
  • Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 1 year and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the awarded salary, making the player a UFA [CBA 12.10(a)]
  • Player elected Arbitration Settlements of 2 years and greater than $4,538,958, Club can walk away from the second (2nd) year of the awarded salary, making the player a UFA at the end of year 1 [CBA 12.10(b)]

Oh it says at the end of the hearing. So I guess it does have extended to the afternoon

 

[mouser]

I'm interested to find out if the Arbitrator will show their work and explain his decision or just respond with a number.

So few of these cases make it through the arbitration system, so it would be good to be able to learn some new stuff on rulings and that might actually increase future cases.

The arbitrators award report should include that info. However I'm not aware of these reports ever becoming public.

 

[andora]

The arbitrators award report should include that info. However I'm not aware of these reports ever becoming public.

Never that i recall

 

[FerrisRox]

Source? If this is true, Leafs should trade Samsonov, trade for Logan Thompson and go cheap in net with a Thompson/Woll tandem. Both goalies make less than league minimum.

It's not possible to make less than the league minimum.

Source? If this is true, Leafs should trade Samsonov, trade for Logan Thompson and go cheap in net with a Thompson/Woll tandem. Both goalies make less than league minimum.

It's not possible to make less than the league minimum.

 

[Legion34]

It's not possible to make less than the league minimum.



It's not possible to make less than the league minimum.

To be fair. The 2023-24 minimum is 775k.

Woll is listed as 766k. So the poster is just reporting his actual contract. I am assuming he gets a 9k raise

 

[Squiffy]

To be fair. The 2023-24 minimum is 775k.

Woll is listed as 766k. So the poster is just reporting his actual contract. I am assuming he gets a 9k raise

His AAV is below the minimum because the minimum was less last year. His actual dollars due this year are at the minimum. (750+775+775)/3 =766 AAV

 

[ScJeff]

It's not possible to make less than the league minimum.



It's not possible to make less than the league minimum.

Yes it is. Your contract is league minimum when signed. If league minimum goes up that applies to all future contracts not ones signed in the past. You could be making 750k and the minimum is 775k now. I mean in theory you could now sign a contact of 8 years with 775k aav and by end of it be making 100k or more under league minimum.

 

[Sypher04]

Samsonov’s 2022-23 season going into arbitration is significantly better than Georgiev’s 2021-22 season when he signed that $3.4m deal. Georgiev’s outstanding 2022-23 stats are not admissible in salary arbitration to compare him to Samsonov. A salary arbitration comparison between only Samsonov and Georgiev says Samsonov should be awarded a good amount more than $3.4m.

One thing I’d say to this is Georgiev’s contract is a 3 year deal buying 2 years of UFA where Samsonov’s arbitration award will be for one single RFA year. I’d suggest maybe that could wash the statistical advantage. To me a deal around 3.5m, perhaps a couple hundred grand more, should work for both sides

 

[Keep Sorokin Me Babe]

Samsonov has been awarded $3.55m

 

[123offtheglass]