Confirmed with Link: G Ilya Samsonov heads to arbitration (Awarded 1 year, $3.55M)

[PromisedLand]

It really is disappointing we couldn’t sign Samsonov for even just two years at least. It would’ve carried him through the dreaded 2024-25 season where the Leafs will very likely have four players costing $10 million against the cap. If we’d manage to keep him until Tavares’ bloated contract expired we could’ve used the savings from that to give him the payday he so clearly wants.

the way I see it is that samsonov isn't going to be the difference maker for us anyway so I am not too worried. He plays this year and then moves on to greener pastures; or re-signs with us at cheap or we walk away effectively making him UFA (depending on the dollar amount of arbitration).

Our goalie problem(s) is solely on dubas who has never had goalie situation under control playing musical chairs with sparks/McBackup/Kallgren/Campbell/Murray/Samsonov/Mrazek/etc..(who else am I missing?)

Given the cap we have left due to "once again" the d-baggery of dubas; Tre's hands are tied.

I am not going to lose sleep over freakin' Samsonov; although I will miss his post game interviews if he is gone lol

 

[Leaf Fans]

Buyout period would start like Sunday believe it's 48 hours after the hearing

48hr after the ruling isn't it?

 

[Mess]

No, he''s not but the organization is going to feel the after effects of his piss poor management for many years. This situation with Sammy is an example of that.

One of the most important factors in the Leafs/Samsonov arbitration process; Treliving didn't blink first​

At one point in time - until pretty recently - salary arbitration was seen as taboo around the NHL. It's commonplace in a sport like baseball and with the MLB but the NHL almost blackballed you if ever went that route. The very few cases that were filed never actually made it into the meeting room and a deal was struck beforehand, but now it seems that the veil has finally come off as the NHL is modernizing.

For Ilya Samsonov it was pretty clear that arbitration was necessary because the two sides were extremely far apart. The Toronto Maple Leafs placed a $2.4 million price tag on a goaltender who placed a $4.9 million tag on himself, and that was never going to get settled without a middle man. Filing for arbitration was essential because it opened up a second buyout window for the Maple Leafs, who should more than likely be using it on Matt Murray unless they have a change of heart. However, if that was the only reason for them to go to arbitration, then a deal would've been struck well before a meeting was to take place.

General manager Brad Treliving might be flexing his muscles as the new boss in town, stating to Samsonov that "we're going to pay you what we think you're worth". He has been rather staunch with William Nylander this summer as well, almost trying to right the wrongs from the previous regime where it seemed like Kyle Dubas caved in to demands to avoid a brouhaha more often than not.

Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews were given rather rich contracts straight out of their ELC's and some could argue that maybe they received a couple million more than they should have. The Matthews contract will always be a little perplexing just based on the fact that he was given such a large sum of money for just a 5-year contract - a contract that would lead directly into his first eligible season as a UFA next summer. Treliving isn't new to such ordeals.

 

[Menzinger]

It really is disappointing we couldn’t sign Samsonov for even just two years at least. It would’ve carried him through the dreaded 2024-25 season where the Leafs will very likely have four players costing $10 million against the cap. If we’d manage to keep him until Tavares’ bloated contract expired we could’ve used the savings from that to give him the payday he so clearly wants.

Leafs management may also simply not want to give him that payday. He's still a bit of a question mark.

They had space this free agency and opted to spend it on more pressing priorities in their eyes ateast

 

[egd27]

Our goalie problem(s) is solely on dubas who has never had goalie situation under control playing musical chairs with sparks/McBackup/Kallgren/Campbell/Murray/Samsonov/Mrazek/etc..(who else am I missing?)

Hutch and Rittich

 

[Canadian Finn]

One of the most important factors in the Leafs/Samsonov arbitration process; Treliving didn't blink first​

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Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews were given rather rich contracts straight out of their ELC's and some could argue that maybe they received a couple million more than they should have. The Matthews contract will always be a little perplexing just based on the fact that he was given such a large sum of money for just a 5-year contract - a contract that would lead directly into his first eligible season as a UFA next summer.

clearly this author didn't talk to dekes before penning the article.

 

[Divine]

A 1 year contract was the ideal situation for me. I'm not locking into Samsonov after a career year behind a strong defense.

Maybe Samsonov didn't want a 1 year contract and was trying to cash in after a career year. At least this way, he's forced to take a 1 year contract.

 

[Stephen]

So how long does it take to flip the coin, I mean, “arbitrate”?

 

[DKH]

He gets hurt if someone looks at him the wrong way. I know the thought of the Leafs getting away from Murray without giving something up is disappointing for non-Leafs fans but this wouldn’t be the first time a player who played up until the last possible moment of the previous season was LTIRetired. And hell Murray didn’t even play, he warmed the bench.

I’m in a SIM league and my regular goalie is Lehner but the rest of my team is very good - was discussing getting Murray as a stop gap while my prospects develop

I’d get him cheap but if this is it last thing I need is a duo of Lehner & Murray

 

[Squiffy]

So how long does it take to flip the coin, I mean, “arbitrate”?

48 hours from end of hearing. Sunday afternoon in theory.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So how long does it take to flip the coin, I mean, “arbitrate”?

The maximum time the arbitrator has is 48hrs.

 

[Mess]

A 1 year contract was the ideal situation for me. I'm not locking into Samsonov after a career year behind a strong defense.

Maybe Samsonov didn't want a 1 year contract and was trying to cash in after a career year. At least this way, he's forced to take a 1 year contract.

Remember Leafs can begin extension talks Jan 1st, 2024 as per CBA on 1 year contracts on his next deal.

So essentially this ruling could really set the tone for more evaluation from October thru December 2023.

The fact that Treliving is holding the line on contracts and keeping everything short-term and manageable in front of him, while navigating the bigger more important contracts is a good thing to give himself maximum flexability.

 

[Divine]

Remember Leafs can begin extension talks Jan 1st, 2024 as per CBA on 1 year contracts on his next deal.

So essentially this ruling could really set the tone for more evaluation from October thru December 2023.

The fact that Treliving is holding the line on contracts and keeping everything short-term and manageable in front of him, while navigating the bigger more important contracts is a good thing to give himself maximum flexability.

I don't want a long-term contract with Samsonov though. Also, why do the Leafs have to re-sign him on Jan 1st? They have until July 1st 2024 to sign him, heck, even longer. They have until the beginning of the 2024-2025 season if they want, plenty of time.

Give Woll a look, if he's not the answer, trade or sign someone else next season. Samsonov was horrible in the playoffs. Giving him a long-term extension at this point is going to age like Campbell did.

He admits he loses focus in games until he lets in a bad goal and then tells himself he has to play, it's crazy.

 

[mouser]

The maximum time the arbitrator has is 48hrs.

That’s what the CBA says, but arbitrators have frequently taken 3-4 days in the past. Especially if weekends are involved.

 

[drede]

48hr after the ruling isn't it?

3 days others are saying

 

[Divine]

 

[Leaf Fans]

That’s what the CBA says, but arbitrators have frequently taken 3-4 days in the past. Especially if weekends are involved.

Fair enough. There are "working days".

 

[Mess]

So how long does it take to flip the coin, I mean, “arbitrate”?

You have to wonder what degree of information the Arbitrator Stepen Raymond is sifting through right now.

His agent Don Meehan might have loaded up on the details ... As for Samsonov himself, his season with the Leafs was impressive. Nearly unbeatable at home, the Russian netminder posted a strong .919sv% in 42 games this past season. He ranked fifth in GAA, T-6th in save percentage and 11th in wins, so asking for a middle of the league salary for a starting goalie seems pretty reasonable on his end. He also helped Toronto win its first playoff series since 2004.

By advanced metrics, Samsonov saved 17.39 goals above expected placed him 10th among his peers in 2022-23 . On high danger shots, Samsonov's .882sv% was the best in the NHL among goaltenders who played 10 games or more.

While it was originally thought a multi-year deal with Samsonov would be worked out, based on his comfort level as a Leaf and career high 27 wins, Treliving and assistant Brandon Pridham are up against the cap and would likely have argued Friday that Samsonov should not get more than double his ’22-23 salary, plus term for just one good year.

“I really don’t know what will happen,” Don Meehan, Samsonov’s agent, told the Toronto Sun.

 

[drede]

Hutch and Rittich

Few were Lou choices i believe but yeah I agree after Anderson it's been rough hopefully woll pans out looks good so far

 

[Stephen]

You have to wonder what degree of information the Arbitrator Stepen Raymond is sifting through right now.

His agent Don Meehan might have loaded up on the details ... As for Samsonov himself, his season with the Leafs was impressive. Nearly unbeatable at home, the Russian netminder posted a strong .919sv% in 42 games this past season. He ranked fifth in GAA, T-6th in save percentage and 11th in wins, so asking for a middle of the league salary for a starting goalie seems pretty reasonable on his end. He also helped Toronto win its first playoff series since 2004.

By advanced metrics, Samsonov saved 17.39 goals above expected placed him 10th among his peers in 2022-23 . On high danger shots, Samsonov's .882sv% was the best in the NHL among goaltenders who played 10 games or more.

While it was originally thought a multi-year deal with Samsonov would be worked out, based on his comfort level as a Leaf and career high 27 wins, Treliving and assistant Brandon Pridham are up against the cap and would likely have argued Friday that Samsonov should not get more than double his ’22-23 salary, plus term for just one good year.

“I really don’t know what will happen,” Don Meehan, Samsonov’s agent, told the Toronto Sun.

The Faustian bargain with these bet on yourself free agents is the team benefits until the bill is due. Then it opens up new headaches, new cap issues in a very short cycle.

At the end of the day, Gary Bettman's economic system ensures maximum friction between paying audience and performing players. No wonder the league sucks when the entire sport is basically one nasty arbitration case played out on a nightly basis.

 

[Mess]

There is a new Sheriff in town and the landscape is changing when it comes to managing player contracts.

Brad Treliving made the right call by playing hardball with Ilya Samsonov.

Considering how rare it is for an arbitration case to actually get in front of an arbitrator in this day and age, it’s quite clear that Toronto’s new general manager isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty when it comes to contract negotiations.

And not to beat a dead horse but that wasn’t really something the previous GM was known for. At the very least, this sets a tone and precedence for what’s to come with this organization.

Undoubtedly, there’s certainly an element of risk for the Leafs by letting this get in front of an arbitrator. That said, considering Samsonov’s small sample size of brilliance, I think it’s a fair and calculated one. For my money, there’s no way the arbitrator rules overwhelming in favour of the player in this scenario. And quite honestly, I think the Leafs know that, and that’s why they decided to follow through with this.

By electing to go this route, Samsonov is only eligible to be awarded a one-year deal, which will put him in line to become an unrestricted free agent next summer. To be honest, I think both parties are fine with that, too. The Leafs want to see it again before committing long term and the Samsonov camp – just like everyone else – wants to get paid.

Getting back to Treliving. I think his stern approach with Samsonov was an important one, especially when you consider who else he’s attempting to solidify a deal with right now. He has a price in mind, and at least in this case, he wasn’t willing to budge.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Hearing for Ilya Samsonov means he will only get one-year deal with Maple Leafs

A Friday salary arbitration hearing for Leaf goalie Ilya Samsonov went ahead, with a decision due in 48 hours on his one-year contract.

torontosun.com

Add some goaltending contract conundrums to general manager Brad Treliving’s workload next season.

Whether the Maple Leafs win the salary arbitration case with Ilya Samsonov or not — it reached the stage of a Friday morning hearing — they‘ll only have him signed for the 2023-24 season.

As for Matt Murray, a decision on his fate is now accelerated to early next week. Once the arbitration process with Samsonov began it opened a 48-hour second buyout window for Toronto, to begin no later than 5 p.m. the third day after arbitrator Stephen Raymond makes his ruling. That decision, whether to award Samsonov the $4.9 million U.S. he seeks or take the Leafs’ $2.6 million submission, must come no later than Sunday.

In a muddled first season for Murray, he was hurt a couple of times, including a concussion and lost his No. 1 role to Samsonov. Given rookie Joseph Woll’s progress when Samsonov or Murray were out of action, the Leafs have good reason to assess a buyout of Murray’s remaining year at $4.687 million, even if it means a $2 million salary cap hit in 2024-25.

A more remote possibility is a trade, but that hinges on Murray being 100% healthy this summer. If he’s not, that’s a whole other avenue for the Leafs to get cap relief.

While it was originally thought a multi-year deal with Samsonov would be worked out, based on his comfort level as a Leaf and career high 27 wins, Treliving and assistant Brandon Pridham are up against the cap and would likely have argued Friday that Samsonov should not get more than double his ’22-23 salary, plus term for just one good year. The Washington Capitals didn’t qualify Samsonov in the summer of 2022 after a career low .896 save percentage, though that soared to .919 as a Leaf. He also helped Toronto win its first playoff series since 2004.

Woll is no longer waiver exempt next season when moving back and forth to the AHL Toronto Marlies, which would create an unwieldy three-goalie rotation if Murray is still on the active roster.

 

[Legion34]

Yeah but by all accounts wasn't Murray skating/practicing during the playoffs and close to being ready? I doubt he just agrees to take a full year off if he's fine (it's a big if, I know).

What are his options?

He gets paid 8 million this year. Or

He gets paid 5.4 million over 2 years.

Who is giving him a 2.5 million dollar salary to make up the difference? In august. Who needs him?

 

[kb]

What are his options?

He gets paid 8 million this year. Or

He gets paid 5.4 million over 2 years.

Who is giving him a 2.5 million dollar salary to make up the difference? In august. Who needs him?

Just thinking out loud here. The buyout would affect Ottawa's cap too. lol

 

[Wiseguys]

So let's say Samsonov is awarded 3.625 Mil. Leafs sign him and for some reason their over the cap proir to season opening. They will still have the option to trade him and if there's no takers then waive him if Murray is good to go, if that will make them cap compliant. That might be an option, which will give the Leafs more flexibility, but the last resort. Give the reigns to Woll he's ready, perfect opportunity for him.