Wouldn’t be shocked to see a tweet in the next hour or two that they’ve signed something still, but I guess you have to assume it’s in arbitration until we hear otherwise
Confirmed with Link: G Ilya Samsonov heads to arbitration (Awarded 1 year, $3.55M)
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cant remember the rules ...if we accept the arb amount (under walk away), then we cant trade him for a year ...even though he can only get a 1 year deal?
...and as soon as the case started he cant be signed, which was supposed to have been 9am i think?
its strange that yesterday i saw a bunch of tweets indicating the arbitration case had started (Kurashev a minor player in comparison), but, not a peep for Samsonov's case
...and as soon as the case started he cant be signed, which was supposed to have been 9am i think?
its strange that yesterday i saw a bunch of tweets indicating the arbitration case had started (Kurashev a minor player in comparison), but, not a peep for Samsonov's case
Mess
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With the Leafs and Samsonov now engaged in an arbitration hearing, here's what the timeline is for a resolution
Well, the Leafs and Ilya Samsonov have officially gone to salary arbitration, failing to negotiate a deal before this morning's 9am arbitration hearing. Now, short of a miracle, we will await the decision from the arbitrator to find out what Samsonov's award will be.
In terms of the timeline here today, once the team and the player present their cases and the arbitration process has concluded and an award has been handed out, the team's 2nd buyout window will open. That window opens at 5pm ET on the third day following the conclusion of the arbitration hearing when the award (or settlement) is presented, according to the Toronto Sun's Terry Koshan. That buyout window lasts only 48 hours.
Since Samsonov is only 1 year away from unrestricted free agency, the Leafs do not have the option of selecting a 2-year term on the arbitration award, which means that next summer, Samsonov would be in line to hit unrestricted free agency.
Leaf Rocket
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Sammy put some really strong #'s last season, so I can see why he wanted to take his chances with Arbitration.
I see this potentially coming out North of $4 mil, as those #'s you're reporting would be a big win for BT and the Leafs because those are the #'s rumoured Leafs offered him outside of Arbitration.
Free to trade him after a decision, it’s a normal contract once awarded, no particular qualifications attached.
Yes, once the hearing starts they can no longer settle, used to be different, could settle after hearing but before decision, but if the hearing has started then a decision is coming and binding, barring the $4.53 million and above club walk away from award level.
Was scheduled for 9am according to the Sun.
The Iceman
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No.
When did they change it so you can't sign between the hearing and decision?
I don’t mind this going to arbitration to be honest, I didn’t want more than a 2 year extension anyways. That gives us the most flexibility given Woll still has another two years remaining on his contract. After 2 years we can commit a bigger number to the real number 1 out of those 2 or go out and find another goalie.
Leaf Rocket
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I mean the entire process is to lowball until they meet in the middle eventually, so realistically I'd assume that's where it should go at.
Mess
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Only in terrms of his qualifying offer on books currently as a RFA unsigned.
A1LeafNation
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They were probably highballing and Leafs were probably lowballing knowing they will meet in the middle.
Mess
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It was reported Leafs were offering Sammy in the range of $3.5 - $3.8 mil outside of Arbitration process which they declined to take their chances in court with a judge ruling instead.
Both sides are gambling here, but Sammy has the least to lose by letting a 3rd party decide because worst case scenario for him he comes in at what Leafs were offering him anyways.
Leafs are taking the bigger risk because the award could come in higher than they were willing to pay. That said Treliving had no other option if Sammy won't take Leafs offered amounts, and roll the dice on an Arbitration reward.
LeafChief
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Today snuck up on me. I'll admit I am surprised this appears to actually have made it all the way to arbitration. We shall see what happens here.
Mess
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In terms of the timeline here today, once the team and the player present their cases and the arbitration process has concluded and an award has been handed out, the team's 2nd buyout window will open. That window opens at 5pm ET on the third day following the conclusion of the arbitration hearing when the award (or settlement) is presented, according to the Toronto Sun's Terry Koshan. That buyout window lasts only 48 hours.
The didn’t exactly have much of choice. Leafs tendered him a QO. After that happened it was Samsanov who filed for arbitration, the Leafs essentially just have to ride the wave at this point as they can’t go back and unqualify him.
Either way again sad to see only our players seem to be actually making it to arbitration and only they seem to not be willing to take team friendly deals.
Worst case scenario today would be a 4+ deal that is under the walk away term and he gets UFA status next year.
My guess is that Hart is plan B. If this goes to a number they don’t like and it’s above the walk away, they may actually walk away and pursue him.
He's only got 1 year of that level of production and It's only 42 games, his playoff numbers also suck.
He's also got injured IMO he has a VERY weak case.
Jesus we do really have some greedy ass players on this team. It seems like only our team has these hard headed players who try to get every dollar off lol
Mess
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Keep in mind Samsonov was making $2 mil on his Washington deal prior to signing with the Leafs at a discount $1.8 mil to put himself in this position today hoping to have strong #'s to back up his case.
Washington walked away from Sammy without a qualifying offer @$2 mil because they feared an Arbitration ruling would come in higher than they were prepared to go.
Sammy's stats in Toronto including a playoff series win were significantly >>> than his Washington stats of 2021-22 in every goalie metric, including now finishing Top 10 in goals saved above expected with a +18 metric.
