The designated starter returned. What happens when Price returns after an injury no matter how good his replacement was?
G Igor Shestyorkin (2014, 118th, NYR)
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The designated starter returned. What happens when Price returns after an injury no matter how good his replacement was?
Pavel Buchnevich
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Koskinen couldn't even make it in the NHL, he's not that good.
If Shestyorkin is really as highly touted of a prospect as some people think, at age 20/21 he should be able to compete with a goalie who wasn't even good enough to stick in the NHL.
Better hope he does pan out Henrick cannot play forever at this high level, this good work out very well
Pavel Buchnevich
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We have a number of good goalie prospects. Its not really a worry. We are more worried about RD and maybe high end forward depth.
I doubt coaches and GM in the KHL and/or NHL read much of HFBoards. And they have their strong opinions about certain players and their roles on the team.
There is such thing as a trusted #1 goaltender in hockey. Most of the time it is decided evenb efore the season starts. And then there are coaches with different preferences about starting goalies.
Most of the time the #1 starter has to fail hard to be pushed out of the net for the starting job. And whether Koskinen is good or bad overall is scondary here. He will have a hard time failing with the SKA roster in front of him. His 17 saves shutout in the last game is good evidence.
Then there is Znarok whose flexibility is that of a concrete block. He has a one goalie philosophy. Bob starting every single game for Russia in the World Cup is evidence for that. With Koskinen out Shestyorkin was the one goalie. Now they will probably stick with the guy they brought in to be the starter unless he fails really hard which I doubt.
FLYLine27*
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Finally played again, who knows what the hell the coach is doing, but another shutout for him. Only has given up 3 goals in his last 7 starts.
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And when that "all-star" is playing you have one of the top 2 goalies this season sitting. Koskinen wasn't even that good last season and Shest has clearly been the better of the 2 this season.
Whichever goalie SKA puts in seems to do pretty well, how easy is it to say either is playing at an elite level rather than having great support in front of them?
I'm asking because I've only seen stats and highlights and you can't tell from that.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Some games are easy, but others they have to actually make some saves. I remember Shestyorkin had a shutout against CSKA a few weeks ago where he had to make over 30 saves and CSKA outplayed SKA. They could've scored 3 or 4 goals that game, if Shestyorkin didn't play so well.
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Be that as it may, I think it's obviously 1A and 1B situation. You seemed shocked that Shestyorkin doesn't play all the time which is stupid.
They do have a great support, that's why you can't really compare stats of goalie from team A to ones of goalie form team B because those are extremely team-dependent in the KHL. However, Shestyorkin is playing marginally better than Koskinen who is a borderline NHL goalie himself. Long story short, he has been good.
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No, I would have no problem if they split more. My problem is that he lets the goalie sit for over 2 weeks without playing.
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Well, really, going game by game, Koskinen played very well against Sibir so it made sense to reward him with a start against Kuznya. He earned a shutout again playing very well as SKA was giving up odd man rushes left and right in the first part of the game. Then obviously you go with a hot goalie for an important game against Avangard. So fair enough, I guess they could have let Shestyorkin start against Slovan but it's one game, not that big of a deal.
Is it possible that a reason they are favoring Koskinen is that they know Shestyorkin is likely to go to the NHL in two years and they still might want Koskinen around beyond that? Keeping him happy might be a priority.
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I don't think so. I think it's more of a case of treating a veteran goalie who has been really good for you for years well. It wouldn't make sense to leave Koskinen rot on the bench when they are both playing at a similar level. Because Koskinen is a proven commodity, if playoffs started today I would start him over Shestyorkin without thinking about it twice. So yes, they obviously want to keep Koskinen happy but at the same time I don't think it has anything to do with Shestyorkin possibly leaving to NA in the future.
Overall, I think a lot of NHL fans often don't quite realize the fact that guys like Koskinen or Koshechkin are stars of the league. Sitting them on the bench to let some 20 year-old kid play is a pretty big deal. Cam Talbot was completely outplaying Lundqvist in 13/14 for example, I don't think anybody even thought about letting him start in 50 or 60 games because that's just not done. Those are kinda similar situations.
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This makes sense to me. I appreciate the insights. What ratio of starts do you think Shestyorkin might see assuming both are healthy and playing well?
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A year or two out of the playoffs should help get some high end offensive players
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Irishguy42
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I think I saw on Twitter today that Shesty is one shutout away from tying the regular season record for SKA. Not 100% sure if it's accurate though.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Funny thing is, if the current goalie keeps playing so poorly, maybe we will be out of the playoffs. Otherwise, we will probably not be picking in the draft lottery.
I saw that too. I couldn't understand what it meant though. It was either single season or career. Hard to know which one.
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Going to be a lot of fun in a few years when he and Sorokin enter the league...you know that will be some rivalry...they already have one going on now playing for the best 2 teams in the KHL
Irishguy42
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Named KHL goalie of the month for October. His shutout streak was apparently third longest in league history.
Pavel Buchnevich
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