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if they hire Eric Tulsky as the GM now this will be quite a journey from Burke/Hextall.
They will make a hell of a team if that happens (sadly).
They will make a hell of a team if that happens (sadly).
My "insight" is that it's all little more than guesswork, it's hard to say if Shanahan is any good at his job or not. Especially after learning about the tension between him and Dubas. If one likes Shanahan, they will credit him for the Leafs good moves and Dubas for the bad moves. If one likes Dubas more, they will do the opposite.very well, do you want to do extensive research based on journals and press release and provide any insight?
That's not how leveraging works. If you're trying to get the most money out of a potential employer, you don't tell them they are your only/preferred choice.The saltiness you bring to every leafs related thread is hilarious
Dubas played it about as bad as you could, he used his family as leverage thinking he'd get 7M a year here and it back fired. 100% confirmed now that it was not a family decision as he claimed it was, he claimed he wouldn't go anywhere else even if he didn't come back (lol)
The Leafs averaged 106 points under him while their season record before was 105. That's pretty consistent success.Smart guy.
He took a team who lost in the first round 3 consecutive years before he was GM and traded 3 1st round picks only to lose in the first round 7 consecutive years. He then doubled down and traded another 2 1st round picks in his final year for a second round exit.
He's never proven any success at the NHL level - and now never has to because he's not the GM.
There's very few people who can obtain a high level position with zero results, Dubas seems to be one of them.
Very surprised he chose to go there given that is a team heading for a rebuild or maybe that was why he was intrigued by it.
Either way, congrats Pens fans y'all are in good hands.
It’s all up to Dubas. He doesn’t have to hire a GM if he wants to wear that hat. As president though he is the ultimate decision maker.So they don’t have to rush,since Dubas can do draft/free agent signing as well,or you think theyll get a GM soon?
In this situation he had no choice, he can't openly say anything because that would be tampering; he was still under contract. But everyone in the hockey world knew Pittsburgh was going hard for him and landed him. He said he might not come back, it's a family decision etc etc and then demanded more money, knowing he had an offer from Pittsburgh available.That's not how leveraging works. If you're trying to get the most money out of a potential employer, you don't tell them they are your only/preferred choice.
He didn't fail people are just morons. They can't see that Dubas has the stuff to build dynasties. The Leafs should have given him the keys to the franchise and instead it took 5 seconds for another org to recognize his ability and do it.
Literally laughing at Leaf fans saying he would never work in the NHL again and stuff after he was fired. Just absolutely out to lunch
Fair, but would have thought he'd have both jobsHe's higher than the GM. He took a promotion in Pittsburgh
Nah, there's still hope for Chiarelli.Fair, but would have thought he'd have both jobs
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Dubas. The trades are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical hockey most of the trades will go over a typical posters head.
I'm absolutely not disagreeing with you here. He wasn't even an awful GM.He may be better suited to building all aspects of the organization then being strictly the GM.
Anyways, good luck Kyle and Pens fans
He essentially does, he makes the final call. Just now, he'll have someone under him doing the negotiations and executing his vision. He also can continue to do what he excels at which is building a diverse hockey operation with good / strong divisions.Fair, but would have thought he'd have both jobs
Don’t ever compare those guys in Toronto to a young Crosby and Malkin. LolYeah, but he inherited a winning team.
It's like going to a team with a young Crosby and Malkin and having a winning record and no playoff success - is that impressive?
This is a stain on Sids legacy.
Don't think it's even a little bit slimy. Had he gone elsewhere while still negotiating with Toronto or if they wouldn't have given him what he wanted, you'd have a point. But they denied him and took that option off the table, saying the reason was that he didn't want it enough!!It's still a bit slimy on his part. Claim 'Toronto or no where' to appeal to the fans, players, and ownership, before asking for more money and doing the exact opposite of what he said days prior.
Don’t ever compare those guys in Toronto to a young Crosby and Malkin. Lol
Agree to disagree. Saying it's Toronto or nothing would imply that if it didn't work here he wouldn't go sign elsewhere right after, which is what he did.Don't think it's even a little bit slimy. Had he gone elsewhere while still negotiating with Toronto or if they wouldn't have given him what he wanted, you'd have a point. But they denied him and took that option off the table, saying the reason was that he didn't want it enough!!
After Toronto kind of trashed him on the way out by outlining in unnecessary detail the process in order to make him look bad, he also took the high road and only said nice things. If there is slime, it's on the Maple Leaf organization.
A team desperately holding onto 35+year old players with injury histories remaining healthy and effective to come in... 9th place is about as bleak a situation as one can be in.People said that last season about Geno and Letang as well coming back from prior injuries and Covid shortened seasons. Not exactly a the best times for offseason conditioning. Once they got that there were no issues last season.
Predicting injuries is like picking lotto numbers, can happen to anyone any game.
Geno and Letang were both very effective last season. And Crosby/Malkin down the middle while coming to the end of their careers are still one of the better 1/2 punches in the NHL
Wouldn't be surprised if he's already on the phone asking for permission to talk to Pridham for GM. Or Tulsky.
However, it’s a candidate without ties to the Penguins that seems to have aced his interviews. Eric Tulsky, the Hurricanes assistant GM, impressed FSG brass — specifically at an in-person meeting with Henry and chairman Tom Werner, said a Penguins team source granted anonymity by The Athletic because they are not permitted to speak publicly about the process.
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While Tulsky has emerged as one of the top candidates, former Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas recent availability might play into the Penguins’ final decision.
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The Penguins were willing to offer Dubas full control of their hockey operations department. With FSG looking to hire at least a GM and president of hockey operations, it’s possible the Penguins could look to bring in Dubas as president of hockey ops and Tulsky as GM.
The Leafs averaged 106 points under him while their season record before was 105. That's pretty consistent success.
I can't speak for the playoffs obviously. That's the core he chose to die on the hill for, but how he maneuvered the flat cap around them (because he signed those deals pre-covid) was still impressive.
Even if the core four is overpaid at least they aren't boat anchors like OEL.
Coming at this from a team that's had generationally bad GMing during the same window under Benning. It's not as bad as it seems. I think Dubas can find success elsewhere.