[Friedman] Pittsburgh hires Kyle Dubas as President of Hockey Operations

[Luigi Lemieux]

Wow Dubas making nearly 6 million a year for 7 years. Does that make him the highest paid executive in the league?

 

[Shrimper]

Ridiculous by the pens

Hardly

Best option out there

 

[Turin]

Dubas got the Toronto job because he branded himself as a politically correct analytics guy. Moneyball popular and with the Mike Babcock controversy, Rogers/Bell wanted to steer away from the old boys club. Just look at his glasses. Of course he is very smart. Don’t look at his record/accomplishments, just look at his glasses. Toronto was so bad for so long, that the media loved when they started winning (of course, Dubas inherited a dream situation with 3 young stars and an star UFA who wanted to come to Toronto). Any GM would have had success. As Canadian media owned the team, they praised Dubas as the propaganda took affect. Liking Dubas was associated with being a passionate Leafs fan just like liking a dictator is associated with being a patriotic citizen in third world countries. Dubas handicapped the team by singing the big 4 to max max max contracts, and never put together a team that has what it takes to win the cup, while depleting all the picks/prospects of the team.

The Leafs were still a joke when Dubas was hired. He helped that org turn into an real team for the first time post-lockout as AGM for 4 years. He definitely made mistakes but this nonesense about how he was a dumbass this whole time and people think he's smart because of his glasses is pure cope to deal with the fact that your favourite players keep choking.

For such a handicapped team, the Leafs last year were 11th in goals, 5th in goals against, 2nd on the powerplay and tied for 11th on the PK. They were 5th in xG. And that is with Matthews having a down year, probably playing with a hand injury for most of the time.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The Leafs were still a joke when Dubas was hired. He helped that org turn into an real team for the first time post-lockout as AGM for 4 years. He definitely made mistakes but this nonesense about how he was a dumbass this whole time and people think he's smart because of his glasses is pure cope to deal with the fact that your favourite players keep choking.

For such a handicapped team, the Leafs last year were 11th in goals, 5th in goals against, 2nd on the powerplay and tied for 11th on the PK. They were 5th in xG. And that is with Matthews having a down year, probably playing with a hand injury for most of the time.

Leafs had a 105 points, prior to Dubas being hired. Why was that a joke.

Edit: you’re giving Dubas credit as AGM when Lou was GM I see.

 

[Turin]

Leafs had a 105 points, prior to Dubas being hired. Why was that a joke.

Edit: you’re giving Dubas credit as AGM when Lou was GM I see.

You don't think Dubas had any hand in what went on from 2014-2018 to improve the Leafs? lol

Lou, the hero of so much of the anti-KD brigade, just signed Horvat to a waaay worse contract than Tavares got. Dubas had to blow half his immediate assets in his first two years cleaning up Lou's absolute F- contracts in Zaitsev and Marleau.

 

[Tripledeke333]

A generational talent let go too soon. Great move by Pitt. I think he could have a greater impact on the franchise than even Sid the Kid!

Yup! A good GM is more beneficial than a player, and Dubas is a Wunderkind. The fault of Toronto doing poorly lies squarely with the players and not Dubas (whose job it is to select the players). Seeing as Toronto was so bad for so long, and had a good team when Dubas took over, I do not understand how anyone can think he should lose his job. It is insane to think anything except that Toronto should try again with Dubas.

The Leafs were still a joke when Dubas was hired. He helped that org turn into an real team for the first time post-lockout as AGM for 4 years. He definitely made mistakes but this nonesense about how he was a dumbass this whole time and people think he's smart because of his glasses is pure cope to deal with the fact that your favourite players keep choking.

For such a handicapped team, the Leafs last year were 11th in goals, 5th in goals against, 2nd on the powerplay and tied for 11th on the PK. They were 5th in xG. And that is with Matthews having a down year, probably playing with a hand injury for most of the time.

The Leafs may have been a joke when Dubas was hired, but the Leafs are now an even bigger laughing stock seeing as how all they accomplished during their window was 1 playoff victory.

 

[MCR74]

Dubas loves his Soo Greyhounds. Remember that.

 

[Josey Wales]

About a week ago, Doug Maclean told a story about when Dubas was GM in SOO he had requested to meet Maclean for coffee. Maclean agreed, but had never really heard of him before. The purpose of the meeting was that Dubas feared SOO owners were going to fire him and wanted advice from Maclean on how he could keep his job.

The meeting was set up by a different well known sportscaster, I forget who....

Considering he only was the GM of SOO for three seasons, I thought it was interesting how quickly Dubas went from fearing he was going to be fired as an OHL GM, to being the person touted by the media as "boy genius" hired by the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Doug MacLean is a Pompous clueless ass that shits the bed wherever he lands

 

[kingpest19]

You don't think Dubas had any hand in what went on from 2014-2018 to improve the Leafs? lol

Lou, the hero of so much of the anti-KD brigade, just signed Horvat to a waaay worse contract than Tavares got. Dubas had to blow half his immediate assets in his first two years cleaning up Lou's absolute F- contracts in Zaitsev and Marleau.

Half his immediate assets? A 1st, a 6th, Brown and Carcone were half his assets? And let's not forget he had to pay to get rid of Marleau's contract because of the contracts he handed out

 

[Turin]

Yup! A good GM is more beneficial than a player, and Dubas is a Wunderkind. The fault of Toronto doing poorly lies squarely with the players and not Dubas (whose job it is to select the players). Seeing as Toronto was so bad for so long, and had a good team when Dubas took over, I do not understand how anyone can think he should lose his job. It is insane to think anything except that Toronto should try again with Dubas.

The Leafs may have been a joke when Dubas was hired, but the Leafs are now an even bigger laughing stock seeing as how all they accomplished during their window was 1 playoff victory.

And if Matthews, Marner or Nylander would have combined for a couple goals in any elimination game from 2018-2022 that wouldn't be the case. You have to bet on their talent, but so far Matthews and Marner are way more Thornton and Marleau than Crosby and Malkin or Toews and Kane.

Half his immediate assets? A 1st, a 6th, Brown and Carcone were half his assets? And let's not forget he had to pay to get rid of Marleau's contract because of the contracts he handed out

Obviously hyperbole. But dealing mid first, Brown and having to take on Ceci's contract to simply be cap compliant was a shit sandwich he had to eat pretty quickly. At that point he hadn't signed what was the imo bad contract out of the "core four" which was Marner. Tavares and Matthews were fairly no brainers.

 

[kingpest19]

And if Matthews, Marner or Nylander would have combined for a couple goals in any elimination game from 2018-2022 that wouldn't be the case. You have to bet on their talent, but so far Matthews and Marner are way more Thornton and Marleau than Crosby and Malkin or Toews and Kane.


Obviously hyperbole. But dealing mid first, Brown and having to take on Ceci's contract to simply be cap compliant was a shit sandwich he had to eat pretty quickly. At that point he hadn't signed what was the imo bad contract out of the "core four" which was Marner. Tavares and Matthews were fairly no brainers.

Ceci was a free agent who he signed to a 1 year $4.5M deal so short term that money was a wash. It all comes down to those no brainer contracts as you call them. Tavares wasn't needed with other holes in the line up that needed to be filled followed up by giving Matthews and Marner those deals when they were still RFAs. He handcuffed himself and hap to pay to get himself out of that situation

 

[Antropovsky]

Doug MacLean is a Pompous clueless ass that shits the bed wherever he lands

So that makes his story fake? He didn't have anything bad to say about Dubas. It was a completely objective story. Greg Millen set up the meeting between Dubas and McLean because he was a mutual friend. Dubas thought SOO owners were going to fire him and wanted advice from MaClean. He even made a joke on himself and said "guess he thought I had a lot of experience with the topic"

End of story.

So why does MaCleans personality or history matter? It's not a controversial story in the least.

 

[Josey Wales]

So that makes his story fake? He didn't have anything bad to say about Dubas. It was a completely objective story. Greg Millen set up the meeting between Dubas and McLean because he was a mutual friend. Dubas thought SOO owners were going to fire him and wanted advice from MaClean. He even made a joke on himself and said "guess he thought I had a lot of experience with the topic"

End of story.

So why does MaCleans personality or history matter? It's not a controversial story in the least.

Because as usual he is full of shit

 

[Divine]

Dubas loves his Soo Greyhounds. Remember that.

His analytics tell him to bet the season on former Soo Greyhounds, Matt Murray.

That should be Treliving's first phone call.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Jesus - he secured a 7 year/40M contract using big words.

This right here is a lesson to kids out there. Use big words and go to Brock instead of Harvard and pretend you're analyzing stats that only you can see.

Burke, the Harvard graduate Pittsburgh fired for Dubas said it best:

"The nerds are smart. They're making up stats only they can replicate so you have to hire them"

None of these new advanced analytics has equalled success yet - but Dubas secured arguably the biggest POHO contract in the NHL with no results. Shanahan for reference got 12.5M over 5 (2.5M a year).

If that number is true it is truly shocking. $6 million a year for what? lol

People (who are also overpaid) get paid a lot less than that to manage MUCH more complicated businesses than a hockey club.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

If that number is true it is truly shocking. $6 million a year for what? lol

People (who are also overpaid) get paid a lot less than that to manage MUCH more complicated businesses than a hockey club.

But the glasses tho...

 

[Turin]

If that number is true it is truly shocking. $6 million a year for what? lol

People (who are also overpaid) get paid a lot less than that to manage MUCH more complicated businesses than a hockey club.

Jurgen Klopp makes 16 million euros a season, so I guess compared to that Dubas is pretty cheap for Fenway.

 

[Oleksiak]

Hardly

Best option out there

Maggie the monkey's corpse is a better option than Dubas.

 

[frisco]

There's very few people who can obtain a high level position with zero results, Dubas seems to be one of them.

Well, there's Shanahan, too.

My Best-Carey

 

[Kimota]

Dubas got the Toronto job because he branded himself as a politically correct analytics guy. Moneyball popular and with the Mike Babcock controversy, Rogers/Bell wanted to steer away from the old boys club. Just look at his glasses. Of course he is very smart. Don’t look at his record/accomplishments, just look at his glasses. Toronto was so bad for so long, that the media loved when they started winning (of course, Dubas inherited a dream situation with 3 young stars and an star UFA who wanted to come to Toronto). Any GM would have had success. As Canadian media owned the team, they praised Dubas as the propaganda took affect. Liking Dubas was associated with being a passionate Leafs fan just like liking a dictator is associated with being a patriotic citizen in third world countries. Dubas handicapped the team by singing the big 4 to max max max contracts, and never put together a team that has what it takes to win the cup, while depleting all the picks/prospects of the team.

 

[Bowski]

Read the threads.... Much of the leaf fans thought he should be gone if he lost the first round, a lot wanted him gone of he lost the second round.

I've read plenty of them. What do these Leaf fans (and Dubas haters) still want to draw from this stone?

The perennial chokers lost in the second round. Dubas, the incompetent GM responsible for it all, was fired. He's left the country to pursue other employment opportunities.
The divine, near decade long Shanaplan, can continue on with Calgary's table scraps.

Live and let live IMO.
Let Dubas handle the aging winners in Pittsburgh, and let Shanahan's new puppet manage Austin's next purse/shoe budget demands.

 

[Tripledeke333]

Again, I have no crystal ball. Dubas certainly could fail. Hot shots at times do. Old school GMs fail all the time too.

It does not change a word of what I said above being true. Hockey management is filled with old school guys who are stuck in old school mind sets. Often hired for friendships rather than skills. To the detriment of their teams.

You only need to look at Brian Burke's recent comments on Dubas, whining about how Dubas had signed elsewhere when he said that he wouldn't.

How could he? For $40 million and the control he asked for and was denied? What a terrible person,

What nonsense. Not just old school thinking but indicative of how out of touch with today most of management in the NHL is.

Part of the illusion of the whole 'love of the game' fantasy.

They would do it for free.

That ceased being a thing a hundred years ago. Certainly since the sports made billions and salaries were in the millions.

It is a business.

But shattering the average fan's illusion is a red line too far.

Dubas got the contract in Pittsburgh not because his analytics being results, but because Dubas is now in the Old Boys Club. Controversial stories of prior penguins management leaked (see stories of them trading Blueger during a team dinner, and the Malkin renegotiation) so Pens ownership are going for someone with a “nice guy image”.

 

[centipede2233]

I’ve learned over time that some people just have it easy, they can make monstrous mistakes and everyone smells roses and is under some hypnotic charm. I dont do a dish in the sink for a day and thanos (my spouse) calls rain of fire on me. If I go to jaywalk on a street in front of a police cruiser where people jaywalk all the time, I get the stink eye and I have to retreat the jay walk. There are just some men who have it easy no matter what they do. And then there are men like me. It really sucks being me

 

[Josey Wales]

Maggie the monkey's corpse is a better option than Dubas.

Right Beavis ! But I enjoy your tears !

Dubas got the contract in Pittsburgh not because his analytics being results, but because Dubas is now in the Old Boys Club. Controversial stories of prior penguins management leaked (see stories of them trading Blueger during a team dinner, and the Malkin renegotiation) so Pens ownership are going for someone with a “nice guy image”.

Rob Gerbil Boy Rossi & Josh Fat Slob Yohe are Jokes & not taken seriously by Pens fans. only Clowns in the Canadian Hockey Media taken them seriously

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Ceci was a free agent

An RFA, so technically true but not really, because...

who he signed to a 1 year $4.5M deal

After he'd received his qualifying offer, which meant the Leafs were on the hook for it should Ceci have signed it.