Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

[JT AM da real deal]

Soup will find when he hits UFA market that he will get AT BEST low bottom 10 starter AAV around 3.5M .. max he gets is Jarry $$$ and that is a stretch in todays COVID financial world in nhl .. given his injuries I can't even see 4 years .. likely 2 years .. maybe maybe 3 years .. Dubie priced this player correctly if dumb dumb has his numbers right

 

[6ix]

Very happy with this. Don’t want him back at all.

In regards to Gibson, he’s terrible. Stay far away. Helleybuck is the goalie I hope they would trade for if Winnipeg decides to rebuild.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

How do you justify paying Mrazek more than Cambell, though?

Much larger body of work and proven success. Campbell has been a starter for like a year and a half, and was god awful for a third of that time. Sure, he was also excellent in there too, but he is effectively a .915 tandem starter, which is what Mrazek has been for his career and has done it in twice the sample size. They are also the same age.

 

[Stigma]

Ville Husso is a potential gem. St. Louis is in a real bind when it comes to keeping him or Binnington so I would assume you could acquire one of them if motivated.

Kuemper is a free agent and I’m not sure if Colorado has the money to re-sign him.

MAF is a free agent but I don’t know if he’s more likely to retire or not.

Imagine the Islanders will break up the Varlamov Sorokin tandem so Varlamov could be had.

Columbus could be graduating Tarasov making Korpisalo available.

The Rangers hate Georgiev and I would assume he’ll be cut loose.

Does Boston keep Ullmark and Swayman or do they roll with the kid?

John Gibson is signed long term and I’ll leave it up to people to decide if he’s worth the investment.

That’s off the top of my head.

Don't forget Mackenzie Blackwood! 2.8 million caphit next year.

 

[Apex Predator]

Here is what it looks like to buyout Mrazek.

 

[ToneDog]

We got Mrazek signed for 2x3.8. Let's run it back with him.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

We'll regret not signing him if we go into the season with Mrazek as #1.

I'm a Campbell fan, he played fine and at times great, he had that one slump but kept us competitive in these playoffs, we don't have cap to go after a 5+ million goalie and help making us deeper.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So Gibson 's cap hit is $6.4 million ; Jack Campbell's was $1.65 million this year. What players are you getting rid of to afford the extra almost $5 million a year?

well you start with about 7 million to work with because the cap is going up 1 million.

ship out Holl and now you have 9 million

ship out Kerfoot and you are now at 12.5 million

LTIR or trade Marazek I don't care what you do but you have to use that money elsewhere that gets you to 16.3 million

if you need extra money you can LTIR Muzzin, I like Muzzin, I don't want ton do that but he is a walking injury it appears that's where this is going.

you make it work.

Oh if you are going to ask who you replace Kerfoot with.

I'm not worried about that because Bunting proved you can find players to do what Kerfoot does for Less than Kerfoot makes

 

[Stephen]

Don't forget Mackenzie Blackwood! 2.8 million caphit next year.

Yep him too. He seems to have some off ice baggage but comes with a great frame and skill set. Not sure about his mentality or Canadian goalies though.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

We got Mrazek signed for 2x3.8. Let's run it back with him.

f*** that that dude can'yt play, almost literally can't play

 

[killer1980]

Hyman could easily be replaced,

I disagree. Hyman was not replaced. Bunting was adequate but no replacement. Hyman is in the 2nd round and we aren't. Because of the signing of the not so big 4, Dubas tied his hands. He cannot afford a decent supporting cast, let alone a top tier goalie.

 

[DueDiligence]

well you start with about 7 million to work with because the cap is going up 1 million.

ship out Holl and now you have 9 million

ship out Kerfoot and you are now at 12.5 million

LTIR or trade Marazek I don't care what you do but you have to use that money elsewhere that gets you to 16.3 million

if you need extra money you can LTIR Muzzin, I like Muzzin, I don't want ton do that but he is a walking injury it appears that's where this is going.

you make it work.

Oh if you are going to ask who you replace Kerfoot with.

I'm not worried about that because Bunting proved you can find players to do what Kerfoot does for Less than Kerfoot makes

Well if you get rid of Holl and Kerfoot you still have to pay guys to replace them so you don't net out their full salaries. But I agree they probably will have to LTIR Muzzin or trade Mrazek, with some picks, to free up cash.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I disagree. Hyman was not replaced. Bunting was adequate but no replacement. Hyman is in the 2nd round and we aren't. Because of the signing of the not so big 4, Dubas tied his hands. He cannot afford a decent supporting cast, let alone a top tier goalie.

Edmonton had to play LAK and Toronto had to play Tampa. Lol, it is not the same.

 

[Magic Man]

That sounds like a good starting offer to open the negotiation to me. I don't see how that should be viewed as a negative. Leafs come low, Jack starts high. They meet somewhere close to the middle.

I think 4M per for 3 years is an easy contract to make.

 

[Buds17]

Much larger body of work and proven success. Campbell has been a starter for like a year and a half, and was god awful for a third of that time. Sure, he was also excellent in there too, but he is effectively a .915 tandem starter, which is what Mrazek has been for his career and has done it in twice the sample size. They are also the same age.

Campbell has been the better Leaf. I also can't imagine Dubas being willing to go forward with Mrazek as a key option given all that has transpired to this point. I'd very much hope that Dubas has an inside track on a different option if this was his opening offer to Campbell.

 

[theTTC]

We'll regret not signing him if we go into the season with Mrazek as #1.

I'm a Campbell fan, he played fine and at times great, he had that one slump but kept us competitive in these playoffs, we don't have cap to go after a 5+ million goalie and help making us deeper.

If the Leafs GM thinks like many posters, with the same hypothetical bullshit, it will be Mrazek as 1A next October.

 

[ToneDog]

f*** that that dude can'yt play, almost literally can't play

Agreed it may not be the best option, but it is one. Either that or be prepared to attach a 1st or 2nd to dump him. Hopefully Dubas can find one in his cupboard of picks.

 

[killer1980]

Edmonton had to play LAK and Toronto had to play Tampa. Lol, it is not the same.

We'll find out just how good TB is after round 2.

 

[Stolie the Goalie]

Watch Campbell sign in Edmonton and finally make it past the 1st round.

 

[Cleetus]

We got Mrazek signed for 2x3.8. Let's run it back with him.

 

[bossram]

Despite what Elliot said, I do think Campbell will be back. It's a negotiation. You always start on the low-end if you're the GM.

By all accounts, Campbell wants to be in Toronto. Looking at the landscape, there are no reasonable UFA goalie options (people are saying Husso, but he's got like a ~25 game sample of being good, it's basically zero sample size for goalies). Fleury probably isn't signing in Toronto, and his night-to-night consistency is also all over the place. Kuemper will be too expensive. There's basically nothing after that.

The trade options (Gibson) are also horrible. Aging and expensive. Hellebuyck is a pipe dream. I mean, maybe you trade for Varlamov. but that is the only other decent and relatively affordable option.

I think they end up settling on a 3-4 year deal between $3-3.5 million with Campbell. The Leafs can't afford to allocate more to goaltending anyway. He wasn't the reason they lost the series.

 

[ToneDog]

Despite what Elliot said, I do think Campbell will be back. It's a negotiation. You always start on the low-end if you're the GM.

By all accounts, Campbell wants to be in Toronto. Looking at the landscape, there are no reasonable UFA goalie options (people are saying Husso, but he's got like a ~25 game sample of being good, it's basically zero sample size for goalies). Fleury probably isn't signing in Toronto, and his night-to-night consistency is also all over the place. Kuemper will be too expensive. There's basically nothing after that.

The trade options (Gibson) are also horrible. Aging and expensive. Hellebuyck is a pipe dream. I mean, maybe you trade for Varlamov. but that is the only other decent and relatively affordable option.

I think they end up settling on a 3-4 year deal between $3-3.5 million with Campbell. The Leafs can't afford to allocate more to goaltending anyway. He wasn't the reason they lost the series.

Not sure about you but I would be insulted if they offered anything less than the Mrazek deal. Maybe that is where they meet.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Agreed it may not be the best option, but it is one. Either that or be prepared to attach a 1st or 2nd to dump him. Hopefully Dubas can find one in his cupboard of picks.

no it is not an option you can't do that because he's played 32 games in 2 years this isn't an option.

 

[Mess]

Freidman was on the fan today and it doesn't sound like Jack will be back Freidman said they were very far apart that the Leafs Inital offer was 3 years at around 2.75 million per year.

You can't do anything but simply laugh at Leafs management's thought process at this point, and wonder how he operates.

The GM signs Petr Mrazek to a 3 year @ $3.8 mil deal to be tandem goalie 1B, and then not want him to play even as you backup most nights.

Then he offers Jack Campbell 3 years @ $2.75 mil deal to be at worst the other part of that 1A tandem, but likely expected to play the majority of the games including the important playoffs as your starter.

Can just imagine how Jack Campbell's agent took this offer and what he in turn told Dubas he can do with it.

Common sense alone would suggest any figure to re-sign Campbell would have to exceed the Mrazek figure as opening of contract talks, or his agent won't even be bothered wasting his time picking up the phone.

 

[ToneDog]

no it is not an option you can't do that because he's played 32 games in 2 years this isn't an option.

Some posters think he has some value and will be easy to dump. Dubas blew it with Mrazek and now has to add to dump him. He'd have to have a big pair to go with him as his #1A but it would look good on him. LOL.