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Freidman: don't expect Campbell to be back Leafs inital offer was 2.75 million per year

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Who else you gonna get as 1A starter and for what money? Another Mrazek? Cue the dumpster diving.

Campbell performs well in the playoffs - as good as Vasi was this round and Jack stole us two games - end of story. That's what matters. Vasi has cap hit of $9.5M next year. Give Jack his $4M and tend to the other serious issues this team has.

He bleeds blue and white, like Kadri did, so jettison his ass outta here? Morons.
 
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Mopar said:
I don't agree that he gave us a chance to win. Both of the goals in Game 7 were weak IMO. Game 7 was a low event game. Shut the door for your team. Vas did it.
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I don’t think you can ask anyone to pitch a shutout by design to win. If you’re expecting that you probably have a Sheshterkin in your program.
 
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theTTC said:
Who else you gonna get as 1A starter and for what money? Another Mrazek? Cue the dumpster diving.

Campbell performs well in the playoffs - as good as Vasi was this round and Jack stole us two games - end of story. That's what matters. Vasi has cap hit of $9.5M next year. Give Jack his $4M and tend to the other serious issues this team has.

He bleeds blue and white, like Kadri did, so jettison his ass outta here? Morons.
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0-5 in closing out games
The other guy is 7-0 with 5 shutouts

One is not like the other

Vasi will give up 10 goals, he wont' care. When he has to win you a game, he wins you the game
One wins battles, other wins wars

Must be a difficult concept for you to grasph
 
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If you want to move on from Campbell, fine, but then who?
There are virtually no UFAs worth considering, so then it's a trade. What goalie is possibly going to be available that is championship-caliber. Then what is the price & cap hit.

The Leafs could get lucky and find a diamond in the rough somehow, but I doubt the plan is to go into next season with an unproven puck stopper leading a 115 point team.
 
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Apex Predator said:
This is probably better on the Anaheim board who have watched him play but has Gibson been that bad or is it just a case of playing on a bad team. I can look up his stats and I don’t need advanced stats to tell me if he’s been good or not. People that have seen him has his game fallen of that much?
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They say he gets "bored" being on a bad team so thats why his stats are bad. I dont really buy it, the guy has already had a long list of injuries before the age of 30. Injuries can really hamper a goalie's play.
 
kevsh said:
If you want to move on from Campbell, fine, but then who?
There are virtually no UFAs worth considering, so then it's a trade. What goalie is possibly going to be available that is championship-caliber. Then what is the price & cap hit.

The Leafs could get lucky and find a diamond in the rough somehow, but I doubt the plan is to go into next season with an unproven puck stopper leading a 115 point team.
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Ville Husso is a potential gem. St. Louis is in a real bind when it comes to keeping him or Binnington so I would assume you could acquire one of them if motivated.

Kuemper is a free agent and I’m not sure if Colorado has the money to re-sign him.

MAF is a free agent but I don’t know if he’s more likely to retire or not.

Imagine the Islanders will break up the Varlamov Sorokin tandem so Varlamov could be had.

Columbus could be graduating Tarasov making Korpisalo available.

The Rangers hate Georgiev and I would assume he’ll be cut loose.

Does Boston keep Ullmark and Swayman or do they roll with the kid?

John Gibson is signed long term and I’ll leave it up to people to decide if he’s worth the investment.

That’s off the top of my head.
 
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Stephen said:
Campbell was fine in that series and gave them a chance to win. But having seen a full season of his work, are you comfortable with locking in 3-4 seasons of high highs, serious lows and then sort of good but not series stealing goaltending? At a premium mark up to this season? I’m not sure. I think we need to invest in a long term solution like the original Freddie Andersen deal. That’s why names like Husso would be appealing.
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I'm not intending to state that Campbell is a sure thing. Of course, I'm not sure how Husso is either? He'd also be less proven (and slightly older IIRC) than Andersen was when acquired. The team back then was the worst in the league and armed with two 1st round picks as well. I'll concede that Husso being a pending UFA is a plus in his favour. I would still point out that Dubas has a limited and less than inspiring track record with goalies overall though IMO.
 
fahad203 said:
0-5 in closing out games
The other guy is 7-0 with 5 shutouts

One is not like the other

Vasi will give up 10 goals, he wont' care. When he has to win you a game, he wins you the game
One wins battles, other wins wars

Must be a difficult concept for you to grasph
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This is what an intelligent hockey analyst would consider: In those losses you cite, how many goals did the designed-to-be-offensive-juggernaut Leafs, with a soft crappy D, score to support their goalie in those losses?
 
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Stephen said:
Campbell gave us adequate Chris Osgood level goaltending in the Tampa series, so I don’t want criticize him too much or be too harsh to a heart and soul goalie performance, but the Leafs are not the 90s Detroit Red Wings.

If we scrounge up some money to spend we need a serious goalie to give the Big 4 a real Plan B game. We likely can’t count on the big guns out scoring our problems in elimination games. Our role players don’t have that killer instinct to lift them up. I like Ville Husso.
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So the plan is to win a game 7 1-0? Not sure you’re going to find a goalie that will stop everything in a game 7 situation.
 
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Buds17 said:
I'm not intending to state that Campbell is a sure thing. Of course, I'm not sure how Husso is either? He'd also be less proven (and slightly older IIRC) than Andersen was when acquired. The team back then was the worst in the league and armed with two 1st round picks as well. I'll concede that Husso being a pending UFA is a plus in his favour. I would still point out that Dubas has a limited and uninspiring track record with goalies overall though IMO.
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Husso comes with risks but from what I understand about his development track, he’s a high end Finnish goalie with athleticism and technique who was the Blues goalie of the future. Binnington stole his job as the next call up and won a cup while he was hurt in 2019. Husso is emerging now and poised to enter UFA status. Maybe the goalie huggers can comment more extensively but he sounds like a Rask type package with a late blooming trajectory like when Kiprusoff was buried in San Jose. I don’t want to overhype but that’s my understanding of what kind of player this is.
 
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Peasy said:
They say he gets "bored" being on a bad team so thats why his stats are bad. I dont really buy it, the guy has already had a long list of injuries before the age of 30. Injuries can really hamper a goalie's play.
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The fact that he gets bored isn’t something I want to hear. That gives me red flags whether it’s true or not.
 
Stephen said:
Husso comes with risks but from what I understand about his development track, he’s a high end Finnish goalie with athleticism and technique who was the Blues goalie of the future. Binnington stole his job as the next call up and won a cup while he was hurt in 2019. Husso is emerging now and poised to enter UFA status. Maybe the goalie huggers can comment more extensively but he sounds like a Rask type package with a late blooming trajectory like when Kiprusoff was buried in San Jose. I don’t want to overhype but that’s my understanding of what kind of player this is.
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He's absolutely shown more good than bad in a limited sample. I'm just wondering how much Dubas should want and need to bet and bid on that if given the chance?
 
Well if you don't bring him back, then you'll have to give up multiple assets to get a goalie in a trade, because the free agents are garbage. More terrible asset-management.
 
2.75 mill is a fair starting offer. I can see Campbell countering with something in the 4's and ultimately, the mid-point is probably somewhere in the mid-3's.

I can see the Leafs moving on if he wants something with a 4. Maybe turn to Kuemper if he makes it out, or Varlamov in a trade, etc.
 
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