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GDT: Free Agent Friend-Z Part III - Moore please?

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Kershaw said:
Easily.
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Stepan has been a good player for us but his value is not the same as McDonagh. Mac logs huge minutes, he can play in every role at any time. I can't say the same about Stepan, YET. Stepan can sometimes center the #1 PP unit depending on what kinda groove he is in at the moment, but he doesn't own that spot, at least not for me. Whereas McDonagh you can throw him out there comfortably in any situation at any point in the season. Stepan will continue to improve but he doesn't get McDonagh money for me.

AAV of $3.75-$4.25 range. I had McDonagh around $4.5 million area.
 
Trxjw said:
Pouliot I can see some semblance of reasoning behind, but Moore just confused the hell out of me. Unless Boyle or is moved to wing, I don't see a fit. Unless they think he's a viable 3rd line center, and if that's the case, our pro scouts need to be taken out behind the shed and "let go".
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If Moore is still capable of producing the offense he did in the 4 years leading up to his wife's deterioration, then he is a legitimate 3rd line center just about anywhere in the league. It's a big question mark, but the deal makes complete sense.
 
RGY said:
Stepan has been a good player for us but his value is not the same as McDonagh. Mac logs huge minutes, he can play in every role at any time. I can't say the same about Stepan, YET. Stepan can sometimes center the #1 PP unit depending on what kinda groove he is in at the moment, but he doesn't own that spot, at least not for me. Whereas McDonagh you can throw him out there comfortably in any situation at any point in the season. Stepan will continue to improve but he doesn't get McDonagh money for me.

AAV of $3.75-$4.25 range. I had McDonagh around $4.5 million area.
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Stepan has improved every season since his rookie year and last season was the team's best ES player by far IMO. Not that I'll complain, but I think his play down the stretch and his gradual improvement warrants a 4.5m contract, possibly even more since he plays a premier position on this club.
 
Kershaw said:
Stepan has improved every season since his rookie year and last season was the team's best ES player by far IMO. Not that I'll complain, but I think his play down the stretch and his gradual improvement warrants a 4.5m contract, possibly even more since he plays a premier position on this club.
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It probably will next year and more thereafter. But management can, I think, very well knock his salary down for his past two playoffs and the fact that it was only a 48 game season.

I just hope they don't make the mistake of giving him a 2-3 year deal. 2 more so than 3.
 
Tawnos said:
If Moore is still capable of producing the offense he did in the 4 years leading up to his wife's deterioration, then he is a legitimate 3rd line center just about anywhere in the league. It's a big question mark, but the deal makes complete sense.
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It's just another mish-mash of players. Even if Moore does wind up as the 3rd line center, then what? Richards moves to wing? Hagelin, Kreider and Pouliot are all top-nine left wingers. Callahan, Nash and Zucc are top-nine RW's. We're keeping Richards for another year, risking injury, all so he can move to the wing? In a vacuum these moves might make sense, but I don't see a overall strategy here.
 
Trxjw said:
It's just another mish-mash of players. Even if Moore does wind up as the 3rd line center, then what? Richards moves to wing? Hagelin, Kreider and Pouliot are all top-nine left wingers. Callahan, Nash and Zucc are top-nine RW's. We're keeping Richards for another year, risking injury, all so he can move to the wing? In a vacuum these moves might make sense, but I don't see a overall strategy here.
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If the Rangers are to be believed with their 9 defenseman strategy, it's very possible they just want more depth and one of these guys will be a scratch barring injuries. Maybe they're tired of having three non-nhl players on the roster if a couple people go down?
 
Trxjw said:
It's just another mish-mash of players. Even if Moore does wind up as the 3rd line center, then what? Richards moves to wing? Hagelin, Kreider and Pouliot are all top-nine left wingers. Callahan, Nash and Zucc are top-nine RW's. We're keeping Richards for another year, risking injury, all so he can move to the wing? In a vacuum these moves might make sense, but I don't see a overall strategy here.
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What you're talking about is a static lineup, which isn't realistic with this team and, in many respects, isn't realistic with any team in the NHL. First of all, we aren't going to be healthy all year, because no team is. There's also a lot of potential here for players to solidify their holds on spots on the depth chart. Beyond Nash and Callahan, no one really has done that yet. Honestly, a lot of this is intensified by having a new coach come in. We don't know where players will fit under AV. Besides, where the players fit into the lineup is only barely the job of the GM. Most of that is going to come from the players themselves and the coaching staff. The GMs job is to give the coach the players, nothing more. Dominic Moore makes a ton of sense, even if Boyle moves to the wing, because we had a need for his skillset, but it's still up to the coach to utilize it.

It's all about having the most diverse group of depth players possible.
 
iamitter said:
It probably will next year and more thereafter. But management can, I think, very well knock his salary down for his past two playoffs and the fact that it was only a 48 game season.

I just hope they don't make the mistake of giving him a 2-3 year deal. 2 more so than 3.
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I hate this longterm BS on signing players on potential and hoping to underpay.

Sign Stepan for 2 years to see if he's a #2C or a #1C. If after 2 years, Stepan has cemented himself as a actual #1, feel free to pay him legitimate #1C money.

As much as fans harp about overpaid players, I don't want a player unpaid as well. I have no issue seeing players paid closer to their production (even if that means more $). Mid-range deals allow that flexibility.

Find me a roster projection from 5 years ago and you'll see how little we can anticipate about the future.
 
frozenrubber said:
I hate this longterm BS on signing players on potential and hoping to underpay.

Sign Stepan for 2 years to see if he's a #2C or a #1C. If after 2 years, Stepan has cemented himself as a actual #1, feel free to pay him legitimate #1C money.

As much as fans harp about overpaid players, I don't want a player unpaid as well. I have no issue seeing players paid closer to their production (even if that means more $). Mid-range deals allow that flexibility.

Find me a roster projection from 5 years ago and you'll see how little we can anticipate about the future.
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Sometimes you can tell players are special. I wouldn't give Hagelin a long term deal.

It's risk management. Sometimes its better to use up cap space now to save cap space later. Staal will be getting paid almost 6 mil in the last year of his contract. He's not getting underpaid. However, his cap hit stays low.
 
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RGY said:
Re-sign Step, Hagelin.

Let Zucc walk. Trade Pyatt, Powe, Asham.

Sign Jagr to 1 year deal.

Summer done.
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Let Zucc walk (to save 1,5 m/y but sign Jagr for 4m? Come on. Jagr is a HOF player but he won't be more helpful than Zucc in a full season.
 
RGY said:
Re-sign Step, Hagelin.

Let Zucc walk. Trade Pyatt, Powe, Asham.

Sign Jagr to 1 year deal.

Summer done.
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No no no. Zuke looks like he's really put it all together. This guy could be a real weapon for the Rangers under AV's leadership. He won't cost more than 1.5-2.0 million.
 
Pass art by Brassard said:
Let Zucc walk (to save 1,5 m/y but sign Jagr for 4m? Come on. Jagr is a HOF player but he won't be more helpful than Zucc in a full season.
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Agreed. I wasn't a big fan of Zuccarello at all, then he was one of the better players at the end of the year. He didn't look all that great against Boston but still, I think he showed what it takes to be a decent player in the NHL.

Jagr is shot. He looked fine during the truncated 48 game season, however he got worse as the playoffs progressed. I don't see how you can depend on Jagr at all in a normal season plus playoffs. The only reason might be for a power play specialist, but I am not sure the Rangers can afford anyone like that at present.

Zuccarello at 1.5 mill is a helluva a lot better deal than Jagr at double that or more. I am not that nostalgic.
 
pleeeeease no Jagr in lieu of letting Zucc walk.

I love Jags, but we don't need any more slow in the forward position. We had a rough time establishing the zone last year, which is when Jagr excels because he's too slow to join the rush. He's wonderful in the O-zone, but his neutral zone and puck carrying game is FAR behind him. He was perfect on a team like Boston, whom had forwards like Bergeron, Krecji, and Marchand that could skate the length and get it deep, we have yet to show we can do that. At this point in their careers Zucc>Jagr....speed kills.

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Zuccs price>Jagrs price
 
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Agent Gerry Johannson says #Canucks are out on John Blum but still poking around Marc Fistric.
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Looks like little interest in Blum.

Blum > Falk
 
Stepan, 23, McDonagh's former teammate at Wisconsin, also intends to remain in New York, and the Rangers intend to keep him. Like McDonagh's deal, Stepan's should be greater in term and dollar amount than the typical bridge deal.

A deal with the confident, top-six forward Hagelin, 24, could be trickier, though. The Rangers likely will try to get him to accept less than he believes he's worth, mainly because they can't afford more.
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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h...r-pact-article-1.1392791?pgno=1#ixzz2YTqJuhpJ

On Friday


Expect the Rangers to re-sign defenseman Ryan McDonagh in the next day or two, since as of noon Friday other NHL teams are able to submit offer sheets for unsigned restricted free agents. The market of unrestricted free agent defensemen is extremely thin, and McDonagh, 24, has emerged as one of the league’s top blue liners.

McDonagh has played primarily on New York’s top pair the past two seasons with Dan Girardi, appearing in 129 of 130 regular season games and all 32 of the Blueshirts’ playoff games.

He will break the Rangers’ typical policy of giving players modest, two-year deals off entry-level contracts before breaking the bank on their third contract for the big payday. Comparable contracts to what McDonagh will earn in his new deal include Roman Josi, 23, of the Nashville Predators (seven years, $28 million) and Slava Voynov, 23, of the L.A. Kings (six years, $25 million).

McDonagh’s former teammate at the University of Wisconsin, Rangers restricted free agent Derek Stepan, 23, also was scheduled to go past noon on Friday without re-signing. Stepan wants to remain in New York, though, and the Rangers intend to keep him. They will pay Stepan, last season’s top Rangers center, more than the average, as well, and should do it soon to keep him off the offer sheet market, also.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ra...ny-rangers-soon-as-team-as-potential-looms-of
 
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