GDT: Free Agent Friend-Z Part III - Moore please?

[NYR Viper]

Ericsson is a defenseman. I don't see them signing Cleary and I expect their lines to be set at:

Franzen-Datsyuk-Alfredsson
Zetterberg-Weiss-Samuelsson
Abdelkader-Helm-Miller
Nyqvist-Andersson-Tatar (AHL top line)
Eaves/Bertuzzi/Tootoo


That leaves TBert, Eaves and Tootoo available for the pickings, which I have zero interest in acquiring.

Or knowing Holland, he'll probably start Tatar down in the minors and give Bertuzzi one more chance. If he falters, he has the best farm depth in the league to rely on. Well oiled machine. He did the same to Nyqvist too.

Was thinking of Andersson. I don't think they move Bertuzzi.

Tatar requires waivers. I believe Nyquist does as well. That's the issue.

 

[Kershaw]

Here's one: Hal Gill? He's old and slow, but let's face it, he wouldn't be a regular on our defense night in and night out anyways. Some more D-depth, a guy who has experience and has gone all the way. CHEAP ONLY! And of course, only if we trade guys and/or have room for him after the RFA signings.

He can't skate.

 

[NYR Viper]

they need bodies to play for Hagelin/Callahan.

At this point, they have too many even with their injuries.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA
Boyle-Richards-Dorsett
Pyatt-Moore-Asham
Powe

There is no need to waive Asham or Powe to start the season if they can't move them. Where is the space for the young players? Kristo, Hrivik, Miller, Fast, Lindberg. AV, Sather and Clark have all stated that they have some good young forwards who are ready. Where is the space?

 

[Doctyl]

are hags and cally definitely missing the start of the season?

 

[NYR Viper]

are hags and cally definitely missing the start of the season?

No. Not definite. But that is worst case scenario.

 

[Kershaw]

Was thinking of Andersson. I don't think they move Bertuzzi.

Helen St. James wrote the 5 possible Wings on the move 2 weeks ago:

That leaves five spots. Let's examine who's left:

■Jordin Tootoo: It was a curious season for a guy much heralded last summer when he was signed for three years and $5.7 million. He became a healthy scratch late in the season and in the playoffs. He did what he was asked, though, and likely will be in the lineup next year.

■Cory Emmerton: The Wings are not that high on this guy. He played regularly last season because of all the injuries. He'll likely be packaged in a trade or waived.

■Tomas Tatar: He seemed to have a good stretch when he was up with the Wings, but there's concern in the front office about Tatar's toughness. He might get a shot at finding a spot on the fourth line.

■Mikael Samuelsson: Was injured nonstop. Subject to a buyout, though he may be able to fight it if he can prove he's not healthy. He has been told by doctors he doesn't need surgery, though.

■Todd Bertuzzi: Pinched nerves kept him out of the lineup after early February. He's big and strong and good in front of the net, but the question is how he will hold up over an 82-game season? He could be considered a buyout option.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130626/SPORTS05/306260100/1053/rss17

Tatar is mentioned, but I think they move one of the other 4 before him. I'd be interested in Tatar and Sproul or Quellet for MDZ.

 

[Doctyl]

No. Not definite. But that is worst case scenario.

okay thats what i though, thanks

 

[Kershaw]

At this point, they have too many even with their injuries.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-MZA
Boyle-Richards-Dorsett
Pyatt-Moore-Asham
Powe

There is no need to waive Asham or Powe to start the season if they can't move them. Where is the space for the young players? Kristo, Hrivik, Miller, Fast, Lindberg. AV, Sather and Clark have all stated that they have some good young forwards who are ready. Where is the space?

I think waiving the other 2 players indicate that they are unlikely to be ahead of Pyatt. Kreider could still technically start in the NHL and they need to hinge on a backup plan (Experience Vet) if the kids need more development time. Also Pyatt is one of AVs favorites, so I think he'll manage to stay around.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think waiving the other 2 players indicate that they are unlikely to be ahead of Pyatt. Kreider could still technically start in the NHL and they need to hinge on a backup plan (Experience Vet) if the kids need more development time. Also Pyatt is one of AVs favorites, so I think he'll manage to stay around.

I don't think they lose much going from Pyatt to Ppwe or Asham. And that is assuming none of the young players can fill that role. Mashinter and Haley are options as well.

I just don't see it. If they have a taker, move him. Clear a contract if possible. Let a couple of young players get some games if needed. It's part of the process of getting them ready.

I think Kristo makes the team this season. Lindberg and Fast are very close. Same with Hrivik. These young players are very close to ready if they aren't to start the season.

 

[Jabroni]

Wait what? Summer cap?

Teams have 10% extra cap space to spend in the summer.

 

[Janerixon]

are hags and cally definitely missing the start of the season?

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2013/5/31/4384306/new-york-rangers-injuries-carl-hagelin-and-ryan-callahan-undergo

This is a pretty good article, it's hard to say if they will be ready to go by opening night, but if they are not 100% recovered I doubt they are rushed.

"According to Andrew Gross, the expected timetable for both Callahan and Hagelin is in the range of 4-5 months. With that timetable, there is a chance both could be ready for the start of the year, and there is also a chance they could miss at least a month of the regular season.

Either way, recovery time for a torn labrum is very hard to predict. While doing a little research on recovery times for this exact surgery, I found there are many different factors that go into it. They range from where the tear was located, how severe the tear was, and how well it was surgically repaired. It also stated it takes around 4-6 weeks to reattach to the bone, and another 4-6 weeks to regain strength."

 

[Callagraves]

I'd prefer Cally and Hags take as much time as they need. 2 working shoulders between 2 wingers doesn't help us much.

 

[Kershaw]

I don't think they lose much going from Pyatt to Ppwe or Asham. And that is assuming none of the young players can fill that role. Mashinter and Haley are options as well.

I just don't see it. If they have a taker, move him. Clear a contract if possible. Let a couple of young players get some games if needed. It's part of the process of getting them ready.

I think Kristo makes the team this season. Lindberg and Fast are very close. Same with Hrivik. These young players are very close to ready if they aren't to start the season.

Pyatt has zero trade value. He's a much better player than Asham and Powe and maybe even Moore, so I think it makes sense to keep the best roster player available, even in HS role.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Not sure I agree with your reasoning, if the offer they got from another team was substantially better than what they were receiving from their own team, there's no reason to think they wouldn't sign it

Well obviously that's a possibility. I just don't see it with our RFA's, they should have zero complaints about this organization and how they've been handled.

 

[NYR Viper]

Pyatt has zero trade value.

Pyatt is the one that needs to be moved. Highest cap hit.

 

[Kershaw]

Pyatt is the one that needs to be moved. Highest cap hit.

perhaps, but I just don't see it happening. Pyatt's had his best years under AV and is familiar with all three bench bosses in NY. He played under AV in Vancouver for 3 seasons, he was coached by assistant Arniel in Buffalo for 3 seasons and was coached by Samuelsson as an assistant with the Coyotes for 2 seasons. He has played over 800 GP as a NHLer and is still a competent, yet flawed player. He shouldn't be waived and I doubt he will be with the trust he has from the coaches.

 

[Callagraves]

Pyatt can stay if he takes his playoff performance, and duplicates it for an entire year

 

[GAGLine]

Wait what? Summer cap?

Summer cap is 110% of the in-season cap. Cap is 64.3 next year. Summer cap is 70.73 mil.

All 1-way contracts count against the summer cap, even those that were assigned to another league last year, or those that will be assigned to another league this year. All 2-way contracts count against the summer cap, prorated based on the number of days the player was on the NHL roster last season. All Qualifying Offers count against the summer cap. Same as contracts, they can be 1-way or 2-way and follow the same rules.

 

[slipknottin]

Well obviously that's a possibility. I just don't see it with our RFA's, they should have zero complaints about this organization and how they've been handled.

The idea that there is any loyalty with players I don't agree with. McD has already been traded once

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Summer cap is 110% of the in-season cap. Cap is 64.3 next year. Summer cap is 70.73 mil.

All 1-way contracts count against the summer cap, even those that were assigned to another league last year, or those that will be assigned to another league this year. All 2-way contracts count against the summer cap, prorated based on the number of days the player was on the NHL roster last season. All Qualifying Offers count against the summer cap. Same as contracts, they can be 1-way or 2-way and follow the same rules.

so as long as the Rangers are under 64.3M when the season starts, they can actually go over the 64.3M to resign our RFAs and/or make a trade and worry about getting under the cap later? not really smart, but just hypothetical.

 

[Jabroni]

so as long as the Rangers are under 64.3M when the season starts, they can actually go over the 64.3M to resign our RFAs and/or make a trade and worry about getting under the cap later? not really smart, but just hypothetical.

Yes. Correct.

 

[Janerixon]

I'd prefer Cally and Hags take as much time as they need. 2 working shoulders between 2 wingers doesn't help us much.

I agree 100% and this is why Pouliot, Moore, and to some extent even Kristo were acquired to give us some depth as we may be be starting the season shorthanded a few guys. Pouliot and Moore will definitely have spots, Miller, Kristo, Lindberg, and Fast will be fighting it out to possibly earn a spot in NY and could be sent down once Hags or Cally returns as other players are pushed down to 3rd and 4th line duty.

 

[Tawnos]

so as long as the Rangers are under 64.3M when the season starts, they can actually go over the 64.3M to resign our RFAs and/or make a trade and worry about getting under the cap later? not really smart, but just hypothetical.

If you're curious where we are right now:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=68801553&postcount=615

Just remember that player's qualifying offers count on this chart. For example, if Hagelin signs for $1.66m, it only takes $1m more out of the cap space total at the bottom, because his qualifier is already $0.66m.

Also, last season was a 99 day season.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I know its not likely to happen but in either of these hypothetical scenarios, the Rangers could get a top 6 forward by trading either Staal and Boyle or Del Zotto and Boyle, giving us a better offense, still really good depth, no significant salary added, and a really good defense still (great if its del zotto instead of Staal).

Staal (3.975M) + Boyle (1.7M) = 5.675M
Del Zotto (2.55M) + Boyle (1.7M) = 4.25M

either one IMO would be enough for that top 6 winger we trade for. again I don't expect it to happen, but if we wanted to do it, there is a way to get one.

 

[RangerBoy]

Guys like Bickel and Haley count in the summer cap. 1 way contracts. $750,000 for Bickel and $600,000 for Haley. Kreider and Miller have 2 way deals. All entry level contracts are two way deals. The days they spent on the NHL roster in 2013 count towards the summer. Zuccarello is eligible for a 2 way qualifying offer. So the days he spent on the NHL roster in 2013 count towards the summer cap with the 2 way QO. Players like Lindberg,Fasth and Kristo aren't part of the summer cap.

(B) Nevertheless, in order to ensure that Clubs may have sufficient time and flexibility to plan their rosters during the off-season, the Upper Limit shall be temporarily raised by ten (10) percent to permit Clubs additional flexibility with their Averaged Club Salaries during the period from July 1 until and including the last day of Training Camp. On the day following the last day of Training Camp, the Upper Limit shall again be lowered to the level as calculated in Section 50.5(b), and all Clubs must once again be in compliance with the Upper Limit from the day following the last day of Training Camp until and including June 30.

(iii) A Club's Qualifying Offer must be a One-Way Qualifying Offer if the applicable Player has: (A) actually played (excluding games missed for injury, illness or disability) 180 or more NHL Games in the previous three (3) NHL Seasons, (B) played at least sixty (60) NHL Games in the previous NHL Season, and (C) not cleared Waivers in the period between the 12th day prior to the commencement of the previous Regular Season and the end of a Club's previous Playing Season. For purposes hereof only, a goaltender is deemed to have played an NHL Game when he was dressed and on the bench as a backup. In all other cases, a Qualifying Offer may be a Two-Way Qualifying Offer.