Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Will EK stay or will EK go?

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Their still in their primes... 30 is still prime. Depending on the player, 33-34 is maybe when you start seeing signs of slowing.
RangerBoy posted all the charts and graphs earlier in the previous thread about when guys hit their peak. In the modern NHL, from a statistical standpoint, most guys are in their prime in their mid-20's and decline around their late-20's and then really fall off after that. Obviously there are some elite guys that can maintain that peak into their early-30's, but in general that's no longer the case.

I wish I had all those charts he posted.

EDIT: Okay it was only two charts, LOL, but still: https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...ii-who-is-left.2512199/page-95#post-147918335
 
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Yep. The Staal and Smith buyouts aren’t that bad either after next season.

Smith becomes one of those guys who's salary is less than his contract after the upcoming season. If he can have a bounc eback season and look like a competent NHL player I'm hoping there may be some interest from the more frugal teams in the league for a trade such as Smith and 4th for a 3rd rounder type deal. The modified NTC we stupidly gave him does make that more difficult however....
 
RangerBoy posted all the charts and graphs earlier in the previous thread about when guys hit their peak. In the modern NHL, from a statistical standpoint, most guys are in their prime in their mid-20's and decline around their late-20's and then really fall off after that. Obviously there are some elite guys that can maintain that peak into their early-30's, but in general that's no longer the case.

I wish I had all those charts he posted.

EDIT: Okay it was only two charts, LOL, but still: https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...ii-who-is-left.2512199/page-95#post-147918335
I agree to some extent. The average NHL player peaks mid-late 20's. It is a young mans game but... we're talking about the elite of the elite.
 


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We need more assets.

Cap space is THE asset but if you don't use it, it's really not. If you don't like the Toronto example, Arizona did this too and got some pretty nice pieces out of it.

Again, who is Callahan going to prevent them from signing?
Cap space is perishable. If Gorton isn’t going to sign anyone, use the space on something.
 
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I want to get back to the earlier, fascinating discussion of the aging athlete.

There can be little doubt that young players are peaking earlier than ever. "Older" players seem to lose their skills faster. We see this is other sports also: baseball (pitchers over 30 losing velocity, and position players not easily getting contracts last winter), soccer (witness Wayne Rooney's move to MLS last week): I'm not the familiar with basketball and the brutality of football means few players even reach age 30.

But does this mean that we should totally shut ourselves off from players beyond age 28 (it used to be age 30)?

"Older players" can still be productive and valuable. They can still produce, even if it is not at the rate of their "younger days." They might have other intangible and not measurable qualities, to contribute: experience, knowledge, leadership, mentoring.

The question is: how much is reduced production and those other qualities worth? How much, as a team, are you willing to pay for them?

Do you pay for diminishing but still good production at ages 28-30 knowing after that the downward curve might be steep?

It would seem that all teams, whether they are young/rebuilding/retooling, teams scuffling, as well as serious Cup contenders, need some "older," veteran leadership, even if the cost would seem based solely on production, over the top. Maybe we should stop considering how much a player makes (hard to do, maybe impossible, I know, in the cap era) and look at what they contribute. If they once were consistently 30G+30A and are now 20G+20A, isn't that still valuable? If they were once 1st pair D and are now second, or were 2nd and are now 3rd, isn't that valuable?

The "kicker" is that each player is different and there is no science that can show how fast a player will go downhill. Yes, they will go downhill, but how fast? We've seen how fast some of our D, Staal, Girardi, McD can lose it. We've also seem a player like Nash, change is game and contribute is so many other ways, on and off the ice.

Each contract beyond age 28 is a gamble but the league is replete with stories of players will productive and valuable beyond age 30.

To cut ourselves off from veteran players, even with a rebuilding team, would seem to be a mistake and would put us at a competitive disadvantage against other teams ready to sign them. The aging gracefully athlete (I know, I know, Girardi didn't age gracefully) is still an important cog.

If all our young players pan out and mature at the same time and we are a serious Cup contender in 3-4 years, wouldn't we still need older, not as productive players as they once were, to add balance to the team?

I wouldn't enjoy being the fan of a sport (any sport) that spits out players as "old" at age 28?

Anyway, something I've been thinking about as wet talk about adding Cally.
 
A couple of my thoughts because no one is telling me anything.

I could see Ottawa insisting on two things...getting a first this year (optics) and moving Ryan in any deal. The Rangers can accommodate both of those needs for Tampa, no one else can. The price can and should be high but if Tampa is facilitating this, their payment to Ottawa would be less. Certainly an interesting chess game.

And has Karlsson actually agreed to a contract extension with Tampa? Could there be a hangup there?
 
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For me to take Bobby Ryan back and not get Karlsson I mean I can’t even imagine what we could be asking for. There’s nothing either side has that id want that bad.

I really can’t see how the Senators trading Bobby Ryan somewhere, besides where Karlsson is going, helps to facilitate a Karlsson trade.

I have no idea why people are talking about it.
 
Can someone clear something up for me? Tampa can't trade their 2019 1st or 2nd due to NYR owning the conditional 2nd right?
 
FWIW, Carpinello has stated that his sources say that the Rangers aren’t interested in taking on the Ryan contract.
 
Just having some fun....

To Ottawa.. Hayes Tampa 2nd.
To Tampa ek65
To nyr conditions removed from first. Bobby Ryan, Johnson, foote, raddysh
 
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Rangers would have to get back something ridiculous to make taking on the Ryan contract worth it.
 
Ricky Capicola can say what he wants but a gigantic grain of salt just fell into my mouth and etched on it was "Rick is a moron, don't listen to him"
 
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I don't mind signing Hayes for 5yr/5-5.5... but it has to be WITHOUT a ntc for the first 3 years.

Howden seems like the obvious replacement but we could always bump Zibby to wing. I'd always thought he would excel at wing.

Options.
 
A couple of my thoughts because no one is telling me anything.

I could see Ottawa insisting on two things...getting a first this year (optics) and moving Ryan in any deal. The Rangers can accommodate both of those needs for Tampa, no one else can. The price can and should be high but if Tampa is facilitating this, their payment to Ottawa would be less. Certainly an interesting chess game.

And has Karlsson actually agreed to a contract extension with Tampa? Could there be a hangup there?

Interesting question indeed.
 
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