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GDT: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Looking for Mr. Centerman

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RGY said:
I would call about Duchene but I really dont like his cap hit for what his production isnt. It would be a big gamble
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When you factor in his contract (2Y) and cap hit (6M) and the production drop ... it's VERY fair to say Joe is asking for WAY too much which if he wants to move him, the price has to drop. Having said that, I think he still has world class ability, speed, and hands and is just stuck on a TERRIBLE team. A change of that could be better for him and for us.
 
RGY said:
Yea but he is only a year younger than Stepan and has been producing the same as Stepan for similar cap hits. However, Stepan is the more complete package in terms of versatility to play in all situations. Makes me think then why didnt we just keep Step if were gona consider Duchene
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Duchene is vastly superior in faceoffs and speed. He PKs. His skillset would better serve the PP.

I don't know how you came to this conclusion
 
Lundsanity30 said:
well Duchene + Anderssen + Deangelo + Shattenkirk money

for

Stepan + Forward we trade to get LHD for Duchene...

comes out as win for the Rangers doesn't it?
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If it is even that straightforward.

Sakic is asking for the moon. So by the time you pay the price is it really that much of a win? And also I think they were getting Shattenkirk whether Stepan stayed or not.

Would take a flier on Da Costa and Yakupov
 
Capt McDonut said:
Until klein files paperwork we can't assume he is actually retiring!
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I kind of hope he plays. We could trade him if need be but I do not want him to miss out on that last 3 mill. The guy has not made a ton of money for a pro athlete.
 
GAGLine said:
Girardi played well enough in the playoffs. He wasn't the reason we lost to Ottawa. Clendening wasn't taking 1st pair minutes. Maybe you could argue that Clendening should have played over Holden, but Clendening isn't anything special.

The Holden/Staal pair were the biggest problem in the playoffs. Smith/Skjei should have absolutely played more. Beuk is the one who managed that in-game. I'm sure AV has plenty of input, but in the heat of battle, Beuk was the one tapping the players on the shoulder and sending them onto the ice.

I'm just sick of the rhetoric that AV is going to play Staal top 4 minutes just because he's on the team. That's right up there with AV hates Miller, though now it's AV hates Buch. It's the mob mentality around here.
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Girardi was a problem for the 82 game regular season, and just because he wasn't awful in the playoffs doesn't mean he was good either.

Clendening should have been in the lineup over Girardi, he should have been a 2nd/3rd pairing guy with others slotting up the lineup.

I think AV is a bad coach and that he's to blame for most of these awful decisions, he's had several assistant coaches, at some point the blames falls on the HC.
 
duhmetreE said:
Duchene is vastly superior in faceoffs and speed. He PKs. His skillset would better serve the PP.

I don't know how you came to this conclusion
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I've always had the theory that it's the team he's on. Colorado is BRUTAL, like really really ****ing bad. You out him with wingers who have speed like CK and strong guys like Nash, I think that would be fantastic to watch.
 
RGY said:
If it is even that straightforward.

Sakic is asking for the moon. So by the time you pay the price is it really that much of a win? And also I think they were getting Shattenkirk whether Stepan stayed or not.

Would take a flier on Da Costa and Yakupov
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Then we were stupid to trade him.. unless he has another move lined up. :help:
 
Grigorenko has NOT signed anything yet, mulling over offers, 1 in the KHL and 2 in the NHL, according to Igor Eronko and Aivis Kalnins.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
We won't have the space anyway.


Jokinen/Grigorenko or go into camp with what we have and re-assess from there.
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Think we need to add atleast 1-2 forwards, maybe 3... Need depth for camp, add a 4C, a "better" UFA ala Jokinen and a depth F or two for competition at camp.

Then evaluate everything at camp, if Miller/Jokinen/Other Signing can't handle the 3C spot or whatever, look at potential trades.
 
Hypothetical.. could see the Rangers trading for Duchene and then signing Zibanejad to a smaller deal until Nash's cap hit comes off the books.. that's only if they believe Duchene can be a 1 again. other wise I dont think they even consider it
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Then we were stupid to trade him.. unless he has another move lined up. :help:
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It wouldn't have been possible with out trading Stepan.

If they kept Stepan, they'd have about 5.5 mill of space to get Zibanejad and Fast signed, and thats with Klein's money coming off.

Even if they had moved Nash instead of Stepan (with out taking any major salary back) They'd have a touch under 7. It would have been a very, very tight squeeze with some major players due for a raise next year.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Who says no first:

Staal for Backes?

Staal is a LHD for the Bruins and Backes slides into the 3C role for the Rangers. Backes makes 300K more over the same duration of the contract. NMC becomes a NTC in 19-20.

Only issue is the buyout is not nearly as friendly as the Staal one is for next season due to signing bonuses.
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I think this is the type of trade that the Rangers should do. Trade Staal for a similarly overpaid center who can slot in on the 3rd line this year and can at least play on the 3rd/4th line for the length of his contract. At this point Staal isn't one of our top 6 dmen so trading him for any playable forward with a similar contract would be an upgrade.

Other potential fits: Dubinsky, Zajac, Nielsen, Soderberg. All massively overpaid and on the downswing of their careers, but so is Staal. At least these guys can find a spot in the lineup as they decline. Only other options to get rid of him are retain salary, add players/picks, or buy him out. Would prefer to just trade him to a team that needs a 3rd pairing D for a serviceable player.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Have you seen the cap situation for 18-19 which does not include the $7.8M for Nash?
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You've been a catastrophist over the cap for years now and we've made the playoffs every year except for one. Additionally, I think Gorton has a better handle on it than Sather ever did.
 
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Why so many Nash proposals? Gorton has a re-built on the fly yes - and has done a great job at it for that matter - but this is still a win-now team and Nash was our best forward in the playoffs last year he would be a huge loss. Will definitely be rocking the "A" this season as well.

Unless he helps us get a center we really want I don't see why we would trade him.
 
Gorton has been much better with the cap than Sather ever has been... I'm not worried about the cap with Gorton.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Hypothetical.. could see the Rangers trading for Duchene and then signing Zibanejad to a smaller deal until Nash's cap hit comes off the books.. that's only if they believe Duchene can be a 1 again. other wise I dont think they even consider it
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What are the Rangers trading for Duchene? Zibanejad is two years away from group 3. Nash will be off the books after this season. How small can the Zibanejad deal be?
 
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