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GDT: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Looking for Mr. Centerman

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So here would be my reasoning behind trading Staal for Brown:

Brown plays a style of game that would be unique on this team. He is a PIA to play against and would fit in very comfortably on the 3rd line and top-end PKer. If it wasn't for his contract many teams would be interested.

Moving Staal, while he is younger than Brown, is a smart move based on his injury history. I would make an argument that projecting into the future, Brown has more years left in hockey than Staal does even though he is older.

The Rangers have depth on the back-end this year. Bereglazov, DeAngelo, Pionk, Graves, Pedrie. These guys all will be pushing for spots. That doesn't include a dark-horse candidate like Day. The team is clearly looking to revamp the defense and add a puck-moving component. Staal doesn't provide that. Having one of the guys listed above get a full year of NHL hockey under their belts this year will help as the team moves forward.

Brown had 36 points last year on a pretty bad offensive team. I don't think him doing the same for the next 3-4 years is that far-fetched in a system that is created for more offense.


Here would be what I would look to do to finish off the off-season if I was Gorton:

Trades:

:kings
Marc Staal

:rangers
Dustin Brown (@ $5m cap hit)

- Brown has an extra year on his contract so LA eats $850,000 in salary for the remainder of his contract
- Staal comes in to replace McNabb who they just lost in Expansion. Shorter contract and an easier immediate buyout this year or next than Brown.



:stars
Rick Nash

:rangers
DAL 1st '18 + Rights to Valeri Nichuskin + Conditional pick if Nichuskin doesn't come over (say 2nd '19)

Signings:
Ryan White - 1 year @ $1,000,000
John Mitchell - 1 year @ $900,000
David Desharnais - 1 year @ $1,250,000


Line-up:
Kreider-Zib-Buch
Grabner-Hayes-MZA
Vesey-Miller-Brown
Mitchell-Desharnais-White
Puempel
Fast - IR

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Bereglazov-DeAngelo
Holden

Hank
Pavelec

Assuming Zib gets $5,000,000 and Fast gets $1,500,000 the team still has ~$9,175,000 in cap space.

it may seem like shuffling the deck chairs a bit with Brown for Staal but I think that's a good thing. The depth this team has is on the back-end. Their forward prospects are most likely a year or two away.
 
I'm sorry but why do we want Dustin Brown vs Marc Staal?

Trading Marc Staal is more about moving money off the team rather than moving it to the forward group..

Trades for Marc Staal should be for futures.
 
Capt McDonut said:
I'm sorry but why do we want Dustin Brown vs Marc Staal?

Trading Marc Staal is more about moving money off the team rather than moving it to the forward group..

Trades for Marc Staal should be for futures.
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I highly doubt any team gives up futures for Marc Staal. I could be wrong and if so that's great. But what team is going to want Marc Staal t 4 years left for $5.7m per season? Would you like that deal for your team?
 
Is it me, or has the entire Metro gotten worse while the Rangers got better, with the possible exception of the Islanders?

Feels like all the teams that improved in the East were bottom feeders who aren't going to be competitive next season anyway. Toronto got better, and the Rangers did too. What other top teams actually improved?
 
KingDeathMetal said:
Is it me, or has the entire Metro gotten worse while the Rangers got better, with the possible exception of the Islanders?

Feels like all the teams that improved in the East were bottom feeders who aren't going to be competitive next season anyway. Toronto got better, and the Rangers did too. What other top teams actually improved?
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I wouldn't say we actually got better yet, until Gorton can find another 2C to push Hayes down, then the Rangers got better.. we'll see what he can do.
 
NYR Viper said:
I highly doubt any team gives up futures for Marc Staal. I could be wrong and if so that's great. But what team is going to want Marc Staal t 4 years left for $5.7m per season? Would you like that deal for your team?
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If we retain on Marc Staal and make him a $3 or $4 mill player hes very likeable for teams.

And when i mean futures i mean like a 3rd or 4th pick or a prospect who struggled a bit but we believe can turn it around. Im not talking about Staal for a 1st or 2nd.
 
NYR Viper said:
So here would be my reasoning behind trading Staal for Brown:

Brown plays a style of game that would be unique on this team. He is a PIA to play against and would fit in very comfortably on the 3rd line and top-end PKer. If it wasn't for his contract many teams would be interested.

Moving Staal, while he is younger than Brown, is a smart move based on his injury history. I would make an argument that projecting into the future, Brown has more years left in hockey than Staal does even though he is older.

The Rangers have depth on the back-end this year. Bereglazov, DeAngelo, Pionk, Graves, Pedrie. These guys all will be pushing for spots. That doesn't include a dark-horse candidate like Day. The team is clearly looking to revamp the defense and add a puck-moving component. Staal doesn't provide that. Having one of the guys listed above get a full year of NHL hockey under their belts this year will help as the team moves forward.

Brown had 36 points last year on a pretty bad offensive team. I don't think him doing the same for the next 3-4 years is that far-fetched in a system that is created for more offense.


Here would be what I would look to do to finish off the off-season if I was Gorton:

Trades:

:kings
Marc Staal

:rangers
Dustin Brown (@ $5m cap hit)

- Brown has an extra year on his contract so LA eats $850,000 in salary for the remainder of his contract
- Staal comes in to replace McNabb who they just lost in Expansion. Shorter contract and an easier immediate buyout this year or next than Brown.



:stars
Rick Nash

:rangers
DAL 1st '18 + Rights to Valeri Nichuskin + Conditional pick if Nichuskin doesn't come over (say 2nd '19)

Signings:
Ryan White - 1 year @ $1,000,000
John Mitchell - 1 year @ $900,000
David Desharnais - 1 year @ $1,250,000


Line-up:
Kreider-Zib-Buch
Grabner-Hayes-MZA
Vesey-Miller-Brown
Mitchell-Desharnais-White
Puempel
Fast - IR

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Bereglazov-DeAngelo
Holden

Hank
Pavelec

Assuming Zib gets $5,000,000 and Fast gets $1,500,000 the team still has ~$9,175,000 in cap space.

it may seem like shuffling the deck chairs a bit with Brown for Staal but I think that's a good thing. The depth this team has is on the back-end. Their forward prospects are most likely a year or two away.
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Would Dallas want Nash after signing Radulov? Do they have the cap room?
 
nsvoyageurs said:
Would Dallas want Nash after signing Radulov? Do they have the cap room?
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No, but I think they'd be able to squeeze him in if Nash had 50% retained.

Don't think thats a fit for them anymore as you said.

I wish we pushed Zucc on them, could have gotten back a lot IMO (perhaps they still can?)
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Ehm what? How was Girardi not the problem? He wasn't the whole problem but he was the biggest problem.

And Clendening was easily part of the solution last season too.
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Girardi played well enough in the playoffs. He wasn't the reason we lost to Ottawa. Clendening wasn't taking 1st pair minutes. Maybe you could argue that Clendening should have played over Holden, but Clendening isn't anything special.

The Holden/Staal pair were the biggest problem in the playoffs. Smith/Skjei should have absolutely played more. Beuk is the one who managed that in-game. I'm sure AV has plenty of input, but in the heat of battle, Beuk was the one tapping the players on the shoulder and sending them onto the ice.

I'm just sick of the rhetoric that AV is going to play Staal top 4 minutes just because he's on the team. That's right up there with AV hates Miller, though now it's AV hates Buch. It's the mob mentality around here.
 
Trxjw said:
Dallas should have a nice team next year. Lots of depth up front and a decent blue line. Bishop will be the question mark.

Montreal is the same team they were last season now. Basically swapped Drouin for Radulov.
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How do you consider Dallas's blue line decent? Klingberg is their only good D man
 
GregSirico said:
WOW. Tough loss for MTL.
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Not really. With the absurd taxes they have in MTL likely would have cost them well into the 7 million range to keep Radulov. Can't do that when you have to overpay in other positions as well to keep players.

I am enjoying their inevitable downfall. I dislike them more than the Islanders.
 
Based on this off-season, it would be such a Gorton thing to do if he traded Nash for say, a 1st + prospect, and then turned around and traded a middle-tier prospect (say someone like Tambellini or Nieves) for Kovalchuk and signed him to a 3 year deal for a lesser cap hit. Rebuilding on the fly move? Absolutely.
 
NYR Viper said:
Based on this off-season, it would be such a Gorton thing to do if he traded Nash for say, a 1st + prospect, and then turned around and traded a middle-tier prospect (say someone like Tambellini or Nieves) for Kovalchuk and signed him to a 3 year deal for a lesser cap hit. Rebuilding on the fly move? Absolutely.
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That sounds fantastic to me, but youd have to send NJ assets for Kovy. So it'd wash except for cap
 
just throwing this out there... is Shea Theodore the kind of LHD the Avs would be looking for, for Duchene?..

Hayes (they have centers, but none as good as Hayes), for Theodore and a 2nd round pick.

Theodore, 2nd rd pick, and another piece for Duchene?

just thinking out of the box.
 
NYR Viper said:
Based on this off-season, it would be such a Gorton thing to do if he traded Nash for say, a 1st + prospect, and then turned around and traded a middle-tier prospect (say someone like Tambellini or Nieves) for Kovalchuk and signed him to a 3 year deal for a lesser cap hit. Rebuilding on the fly move? Absolutely.
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I wouldn't hate it.

It would have been the Sather thing to do to hand out 7 x 7 contracts to both Alzner and Shattenkirk. It is so nice to not have to worry about that.
 
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