GDT: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Looking for Mr. Centerman

[NickyFotiu]

Continuity over rated sometimes, this is such an instance IMO.
Get max value, if he stays or goes.
At this point IMO, I expect the right team overpays modestly/moderately, and any overpay is worth it for us, esp since we have learned from the foolishness of win now, and are building to have improvements to the solid contender we still are.

Anything can become overrated or underrated at time but wholesale changes to a contending team will sometimes come at the risk of losing the core continuity. I'm not against trading Nash for the right deal. I just would not look to dump him unless a good deal came our way. We have had a lot of our veteran core of captains get cut or traded since 2014. I do keep that in mind while making moves. Just throwing a bunch of players together often takes times. If there is a deal for Nash that is a clear win I will listen.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Wouldn't shock me if Staal winds up paired with Shattenirk. In fact I would bank on it happening at some point this season.

Staal is at best our 4th best LH Dman and could be our 6th best LH Dman. I would look to move him if possible.

 

[SA16]

Rakell is as much a center as Miller is.

 

[bernmeister]

Trading any of our top 4 D right now would be a backward step....

not nec if ya think ahead

we have 2 years of McD at 4.7, which is an aberration.
Reality strikes soon; then have to deal w/market demand, at least 7, possibly 8m per.
Worse is the term
Say he gives us sweetheart extension 6.5 x 4. That is still taking a huge chance and pushing it, in an environment where, given what we are seeing handed out today, it is not unreasonable to project he gets a 6 or 7 year deal at 7+.

Moving Mc now eliminates risk from injury, and offers more term of production to a taker.

Plus if we deal McD, there is always a chance that MAYBE he does a Chapman-Yankees with us.

Deal him now.
When current deal expires, he does us a solid, only 1 yr, so we overpay the full 8

after that, he takes max $ for term, which we MUST friggin learn from Drury, wonder twins, etc, and not take risk of guys too late in their careers, esp if post 35.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Rakell is as much a center as Miller is.

I think they're lateral moves too or even possibly a downgrade for us. I usually agree with RB, but those were pretty rough

 

[BroadwayStorm]

not nec if ya think ahead

we have 2 years of McD at 4.7, which is an aberration.
Reality strikes soon; then have to deal w/market demand, at least 7, possibly 8m per.
Worse is the term
Say he gives us sweetheart extension 6.5 x 4. That is still taking a huge chance and pushing it, in an environment where, given what we are seeing handed out today, it is not unreasonable to project he gets a 6 or 7 year deal at 7+.

Moving Mc now eliminates risk from injury, and offers more term of production to a taker.

Plus if we deal McD, there is always a chance that MAYBE he does a Chapman-Yankees with us.

Deal him now.
When current deal expires, he does us a solid, only 1 yr, so we overpay the full 8

after that, he takes max $ for term, which we MUST friggin learn from Drury, wonder twins, etc, and not take risk of guys too late in their careers, esp if post 35.

You're just plain psychotic to even propose that. What do you think this is?

 

[bernmeister]

Rakell is as much a center as Miller is.

not saying he isn't

just saying I really like JT talent, potential, and would rather pay in other currency for Rakell.

PS don't expect Ana to move him
Getz is old
Kesler not young and HUGE wear and tear

 

[GregSirico]

So what did I miss yesterday?

Jumbo back to SJ for 8M?
Marleau to Toronro for a 3Y deal?
Jagr is still a LEGEND.

 

[bernmeister]

You're just plain psychotic to even propose that. What do you think this is?

nothing pyscho about moving a great asset now for max profit while that opportunity is available NOW, not later, AND while there is reality in 2 yrs we have to deal w consequences of his current deal expiring.

don't know why you went where ya did, but facts are facts and his contract expiring in 2 is reality. Either control that situation, or it controls you.

 

[Hire Sather]

nothing pyscho about moving a great asset now for max profit while that opportunity is available NOW, not later, AND while there is reality in 2 yrs we have to deal w consequences of his current deal expiring.

don't know why you went where ya did, but facts are facts and his contract expiring in 2 is reality. Either control that situation, or it controls you.

You will never win anything with the entire roster on ELCs, which for some reason it what you desire

Will you want to trade kreidee when he signs long term?

 

[ponytrekker]

So both Kreider and Miller for Rakell?

Not sure I would even want to do Kreider straight up for him.

Nasher would be a great fit there. Put him with Getzlaff and/or Perry. Beast mode.

 

[GregSirico]

If I get time today, I am going to try and justify why a Brown for Staal deal makes sense.

How would this make ANY sense?

 

[ponytrekker]

Not sure if it's been brought up, but would you guys do Staal ($1Mil retained) for . . .

Deal. Seriously, as most people would trade Staal for a Happy Meal minus the toy, I think we would be good.

 

[GregSirico]

Does anyone realistically see Staal waiving his NTC?

 

[duhmetreE]

All i want... Kovalchuk and Duchene.

Would be a near perfect team

 

[NickyFotiu]

nothing pyscho about moving a great asset now for max profit while that opportunity is available NOW, not later, AND while there is reality in 2 yrs we have to deal w consequences of his current deal expiring.

don't know why you went where ya did, but facts are facts and his contract expiring in 2 is reality. Either control that situation, or it controls you.

Bern I do not think you are psycho. I like you but many of the wholesale 4-10 significant player moves you advocate at a time are just unrealistic. Some teams make 2-4 significant player moves in a full year. You may also put an over emphasis on age (NTC clauses) and a underemphasis on actual production at times. Looking at the contracts Marleau and Thornton got shows that no matter how old production is still important. The Penguins are one of the oldest teams in the NHL. How many times would you have gutted them before they won the last two cups?

 

[GregSirico]

All i want... Kovalchuk and Duchene.

Would be a near perfect team

Once again me and you are on the same page. Kovy is a pipedream, Duchene is very realistic.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Does anyone realistically see Staal waiving his NTC?

Absolutely if we played a little hardball. Marc we do not see any way you will play next season over the other 4-5 LH Dmen on our team. We would like to move you to a place you can play in 2017-18. Do you have any preferences on who we should contact? He doesn't want to be deactivated all season. Its bad for him and embarrassing.

 

[NickyFotiu]

All i want... Kovalchuk and Duchene.

Would be a near perfect team

I do not kn ow if we will get 2 guys like that but I suspect we are trying to aquire at least 1 guy like that with our cap room.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

All i want... Kovalchuk and Duchene.

Would be a near perfect team

Cost is too high that itll hurt us into another problem.

And i flat out believe duchene isnt worth what it takes to get him.

 

[GregSirico]

Absolutely if we played a little hardball. Marc we do not see any way you will play next season over the other 4-5 LH Dmen on our team. We would like to move you to a place you can play in 2017-18. Do you have any preferences on who we should contact? He doesn't want to be deactivated all season. Its bad for him and embarrassing.

Although ... the AV factor. Av will prob give him top 4 mins LOL.

 

[GregSirico]

I do not kn ow if we will get 2 guys like that but I suspect we are trying to aquire at least 1 guy like that with our cap room.

Depends what players were traded the other way + we have 6M in cap space (minus Klein and resigning Zib/Fast proj dollars)

 

[TheBloodyNine]

People have been traded with these clauses before, of course, but I could only see Staal waiving to go to 1)A big market and 2)A place that will give him top 4 minutes, and that would be of course after the Rangers tell him he's going to be at most the #5 guy on this team, if even that.

 

[bernmeister]

Bad deals all around for the Rangers, especially the one for Scheifele why would we trade all that for him.

Fair ?,finally, something that invites analytical comparison

Answer, shoe on the other foot, why does Wini do this if not at least sizeable overpay.
Schief is the brightest jewel here.
He is 24, 7 yr term, 6.125m per

McD is favorably better at 4.7, but only for 2 yrs.
Jets are at risk after that.

picking up a guy who is ELC once signed who was drafted near Schief at 6 if I remember, and thus projects POSSIBLE similar path, is not a guarantee that cuts it completely, but does cover a sizeable chunk vs it.

Think Wini wants more, and depending on how much more, we should seriously consider it.

Your assessment that NY overpays is correct/
My counter is you undervalue Scheiffle, apparently; reconsider?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Although ... the AV factor. Av will prob give him top 4 mins LOL.

Well since its managements call they will speak to him soon if they want him to waive. AV doesn't start making the calls till the players hit the ice. I do not think AV was thrilled to lose Stepan but he understood how the NHL works.