GDT: Free Agent Frenzy Part III - Looking for Mr. Centerman

[GregSirico]

People have been traded with these clauses before, of course, but I could only see Staal waiving to go to 1)A big market and 2)A place that will give him top 4 minutes, and that would be of course after the Rangers tell him he's going to be at most the #5 guy on this team, if even that.

Teams that can absorb his cap hit:

Arizona
New Jersey
Las Vegas
Carolina
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Nashville
Dallas

 

[bernmeister]

Anything can become overrated or underrated at time but wholesale changes to a contending team will sometimes come at the risk of losing the core continuity. I'm not against trading Nash for the right deal. I just would not look to dump him unless a good deal came our way. We have had a lot of our veteran core of captains get cut or traded since 2014. I do keep that in mind while making moves. Just throwing a bunch of players together often takes times. If there is a deal for Nash that is a clear win I will listen.

we are on the same pg my friend

 

[Hire Sather]

Fair ?,finally, something that invites analytical comparison

Answer, shoe on the other foot, why does Wini do this if not at least sizeable overpay.
Schief is the brightest jewel here.
He is 24, 7 yr term, 6.125m per

McD is favorably better at 4.7, but only for 2 yrs.
Jets are at risk after that.

picking up a guy who is ELC once signed who was drafted near Schief at 6 if I remember, and thus projects POSSIBLE similar path, is not a guarantee that cuts it completely, but does cover a sizeable chunk vs it.

Think Wini wants more, and depending on how much more, we should seriously consider it.

Your assessment that NY overpays is correct/
My counter is you undervalue Scheiffle, apparently; reconsider?

Instead of overpaying, I'll just keep my #1 defenseman + all the other assets you are giving away to get your prize.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Depends what players were traded the other way + we have 6M in cap space (minus Klein and resigning Zib/Fast proj dollars)

We do not have a lot of pieces we can give up at this point without some pain. Nash, Staal, Holden, and Graves would be most likely but what would they return? Hayes might be the next possibility or even Vesey in the right deal but I think we would try to keep them.

 

[GAGLine]

This!
I really wish mods would do something about it too.

There's an ignore feature for a reason.

 

[HFBS]

Teams that can absorb his cap hit:

Arizona
New Jersey
Las Vegas
Carolina
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Nashville
Dallas

Even if they could, why would they?

Keep in mind we want to get rid of him because he sucks.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Teams that can absorb his cap hit:

Arizona
New Jersey
Las Vegas
Carolina
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Nashville
Dallas

Hes got a brother in Carolina.

In Tampa they can play him with stralman again since Girardi will be playing with Hedman anyway

 

[GregSirico]

Even if they could, why would they?

Keep in mind we want to get rid of him because he sucks.

Yeah I know which is why I don't see him being moved, unless we trade bad contracts?

Maybe something like getting RNH for him + some picks?

 

[GregSirico]

Hes got a brother in Carolina.

In Tampa they can play him with stralman again since Girardi will be playing with Hedman anyway

TB = NYR South

 

[GAGLine]

Although ... the AV factor. Av will prob give him top 4 mins LOL.

Everyone blames AV for how the defense was deployed, but you know we had a guy who was responsible for that, right? Beuk was just removed from that position.

 

[Emptyvoid]

There's an ignore feature for a reason.

I got bern on my ignore list, unfortunately still see his posts when people quote him. Better than nothing I suppose.

 

[GregSirico]

Interesting note: Boston needs defense help. Wonder if we could make a move for one of their cenrers? Spooner? Krejci?

Krug, Carlo, Chara, Mcavoy, Miller, Mcquaid

 

[GregSirico]

Interesting, Pittsburgh has lost Trevor Daley, Chris Kunitz, Nick Bonino, and Ron Hainsey this off season along with MAF.

Could they possibly take a step back as a team?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

People have been traded with these clauses before, of course, but I could only see Staal waiving to go to 1)A big market and 2)A place that will give him top 4 minutes, and that would be of course after the Rangers tell him he's going to be at most the #5 guy on this team, if even that.

He'll waive once he starts to find himself not dressed and in the box. The real problem is that we don't have obvious and valuable assets to trade for a C unless you start by adding MZA into the conversation, everyone else has dubious value (Staal, Nash, Holden) for one reason or another or is part of the flying rebuild including most picks and prospects. A deal around MZA could bring a 2C, sucks to lose him but unless we do an offer sheet to someone like Burakovsky or sign Grigorenko and live with Hayes as 2C, I don't see many options. With 2 favorable years left on hos contract and an inspired playoffs, his highest value is now.

 

[bernmeister]

To bern, everyone else always crazy and he's the genius. Seriously, only person that takes his proposals seriously is himself. And boy is he impressed by them too.

I am aware that there is substantial rejection of several of my props

It is my hope that as I can learn from the rest of the board, it can learn from me.

Case in point: Stepan
from earliest on, I insisted that he was worth more to us in trade than production.

the backlash was severe, no no that couldn't possibly be correct.
I said he would plateau, which he did, and if his production remained the same, he would be worth more at a lower salary contract.

Still, no no no, Stepan is this, Stepan is that, no no no.
The emperor who should be recognized now for having no clothes, one of our prominent posters, continued to say that no no no Stepan will be happily retained
even with killer restriction clause
unless AZ or somebody OVERPAYS OVERPAYS OVERPAYS.
thru the nose, after all, this is the great Stepan

push comes to shove, the market spoke.
Stepan was NOT all that and a bag of chips
those who were arrogant in insisting that was the case were made to bend buckle and break by reality

We were lucky to get what we got, which is in line with the more modest price I set.

by extension,
people say I overrate Hertl
if you adjust the overinflated Stepan back down to reality, and
further compensate for fact Hertl has been injured coupla times
my valuation is not THAT far off.


I don't mind fair critique
I hope people are objective in their assessments, and any updates thereto.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Interesting note: Boston needs defense help. Wonder if we could make a move for one of their cenrers? Spooner? Krejci?

Krug, Carlo, Chara, Mcavoy, Miller, Mcquaid

That doesn't seem like an emergency fix D to me...

 

[NickyFotiu]

Interesting, Pittsburgh has lost Trevor Daley, Chris Kunitz, Nick Bonino, and Ron Hainsey this off season along with MAF.

Could they possibly take a step back as a team?

Yes but for me its not a matter of who they lost because their top player talent is still great. Its a matter of hunger, chemistry, timing, etc. Its very hard to repeat in a capped league pushed to parity. Threepeating could turn out to be even harder. Lets not forget they only beat Ottawa by a OT goal.

 

[JayMan82]

Interesting, Pittsburgh has lost Trevor Daley, Chris Kunitz, Nick Bonino, and Ron Hainsey this off season along with MAF.

Could they possibly take a step back as a team?

They lose playoff clutchness with Kunitz/Bonino, but it just lets Sullivan bring up more of his Wilkes Barre players on the cheap. I sure hope they take a step back, but I doubt it.

Washington is the team that takes a big step back next year.

 

[Raspewtin]

Everyone blames AV for how the defense was deployed, but you know we had a guy who was responsible for that, right? Beuk was just removed from that position.

So it's just a coincidence the D received the exact same treatment over the span of three years with different coaches ?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Teams that can absorb his cap hit:

Arizona
New Jersey
Las Vegas
Carolina
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Nashville
Dallas

Of those teams only Dallas would fit the bill. Tampa and Nashville don't have the need.

 

[Irishguy42]

It's fun watching the Caps implode from overpaying Oshie and Kuznetzov, while Ovi's contract becomes more of a pain.

 

[bernmeister]

Instead of overpaying, I'll just keep my #1 defenseman + all the other assets you are giving away to get your prize.

FINALLY
objectivity
even tho there is almost a tinge of hate gleamed from to deny me "my prize".

Okay, we agree to disagree,
you think short term win now retaining of McD who will be, no ? about it, a contract concern for us, and surrender of Andersson, who we HOPE can turn into SOMETHING NEAR what Schefle is, you consider that in our best short and long term interests.

Disagree, your vote noted.
Anyone else want to talk about Schief value compared to McD and what we have to add.

 

[silverfish]

Everyone blames AV for how the defense was deployed, but you know we had a guy who was responsible for that, right? Beuk was just removed from that position.

Blame always falls with the head coach, as it should. Just like bad FO moves fall with the GM.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

 

[NickyFotiu]

So it's just a coincidence the D received the exact same treatment over the span of three years with different coaches ?

No it isn't. I'm sure Jeff made a lot of the Dman player changes during routine parts of games but the system and key defensive pairing calls were probably calls made by AV. Jeff and Scott probably give input but they are not going to bench or make significant changes to pairings without AV.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I am aware that there is substantial rejection of several of my props

It is my hope that as I can learn from the rest of the board, it can learn from me.

Case in point: Stepan
from earliest on, I insisted that he was worth more to us in trade than production.

the backlash was severe, no no that couldn't possibly be correct.
I said he would plateau, which he did, and if his production remained the same, he would be worth more at a lower salary contract.

Still, no no no, Stepan is this, Stepan is that, no no no.
The emperor who should be recognized now for having no clothes, one of our prominent posters, continued to say that no no no Stepan will be happily retained
even with killer restriction clause
unless AZ or somebody OVERPAYS OVERPAYS OVERPAYS.
thru the nose, after all, this is the great Stepan

push comes to shove, the market spoke.
Stepan was NOT all that and a bag of chips
those who were arrogant in insisting that was the case were made to bend buckle and break by reality

We were lucky to get what we got, which is in line with the more modest price I set.

by extension,
people say I overrate Hertl
if you adjust the overinflated Stepan back down to reality, and
further compensate for fact Hertl has been injured coupla times
my valuation is not THAT far off.


I don't mind fair critique
I hope people are objective in their assessments, and any updates thereto.

You were right in that we traded him, as far as assessing what we received it will take time. It has left a glaring hole at C (I'm still pissed that we didn't deal with LV to protect Lindy knowing that a Step deal was close). Most believe at this time that zona "won" the trade and with the silly money being thrown around, Step at 6.5 looks decent. I think your forethought for asset management is relèvent but the knock (as an example) is that your proposals have way too many moving pieces to be feasible. I for one enjoy other perspectives and your outside the box thinking but your posts are pretty ****ing long amigo.

One of the biggest lessons I learned as a kid was from Different Strokes, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum......keep trucking, no matter your style the forum is more interesting with you contributing.