Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

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Yup, but the salaries always raises proportionally more for a good team than a cellar team. The good teams are destroyed by a flat cap, if the cap is going up it helps them no doubt.

don't disagree with that but what are you basing the assumption on that the cap is now going to go up every year? because the cap went up this year? the revenue bump from 30 teams to 31 teams was a one time thing. is the canadian dollar going to suddenly recover?

I hope you are right, i'm just not sure i see it as such a sure thing
 
Gorton took a run at several players but was outbid. I'm not sure what you expect him to do. Should we have given Roussel or Komarov 4 years @ 3 mil? Should we have given Grabner 3 x 3.35?

It's disappointing that we didn't get any of the players we were targeting, but Gorton did the smart thing by not getting into a bidding war for them and overpaying. There are other guys out there in the bargain bin. That's where we found Stralman. That's were we found Grabner. That's where we found Prospal. We may not find anyone this year who has that kind of impact, but we don't really need to. We need to find warm bodies who will play hard and insulate the kids. Anything else we get is a bonus.
I just worry that we're going to start the year with a bunch of rookies and get our shit kicked in every night. Like, ugly, ugly, losses. If that happens, I think it's bad for the kids involved in it, even if we have another veteran presence or two around. I always believe kids develop best when they're in a competitive environment and it feels like the games have real competitive meaning. I'm not suggesting that we turn ourselves into a playoff contender, but I think we need to do more to avoid being a cellar dweller.
 
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Riley Nash 2.75m x 3

Rieder 1M x 1

Were the two UFAs I would have liked to see them go after on the forward front and I don't think either of those contracts are bad for what those players are. They have some traits I like, mostly they can produce some points, they have versatility in position, they can both PK and they both have a bit of motor in the go try to do stuff category.
You realize Rieder signed for 2 mil for a 1 year deal?
 
I’m very disappointed.

Taking a pass at free agency was not my idea of helping along a rebuild. I had very modest expectations. Go look at the list of players I suggested the Rangers consider. Only one star (with a large hometown discount) and a bunch of role players. No big gambles or crippling expenditures.

I don’t understand not taking advantage of free agency to build organizational depth. Everyone here, including me, wants more draft choices and young prospects. The way to get those lottery tickets is to make a few more unpopular trades and they are coming. (Hello, Kevin Hayes) I’m willing to swallow that bullet but I don’t want to see the Peter Holland and Matt Beleskys of the world filling those open spots. I’ve come to terms with accepting a rebuild. What I don’t expect or want is to see the Rangers look like the Phoenix Coyotes or Buffalo Sabres.

The Rangers lack a lot of things right now. They have almost no sandpaper at all in their lineup. Not the right place to break in a bunch of rookies. They could use more veteran leadership. For better or worse, they traded away a lot of good locker room guys. Most of the veterans remaining were not the team leaders. It surely couldn’t have hurt to add some more established players to the bottom half of the lineup. They could desperately use a two way center for defensive faceoffs, penalty killing and depth, should trades happen.

A while back, the President of an NHL team told me that fans worry too much about the dollars and contract length in free agency. Part of his reasoning was that problems can always be worked out. Another part was that the NHL roster usually has 4-5 players on ELCs which make the average salary of tenured players higher than perceived average under the cap.

What irks me as much as anything is that many of the players I considered useful in the rebuild signed for fairly reasonable contracts. A few got a little crazy. But many were right in line with where they were predicted to land.

Those of you who know me know that I am usually the most optimistic guy around here. Not today. For me, Gorton and company are on the clock right now. This was an opportunity missed. I didn’t expect very much from the Rangers yesterday. Somehow, I got much less.

I think Gorton's approach this free agent season has been a don't overpay approach. We're up to 6 guys we know for sure the Rangers were/are after--Komarov, Reaves, Grabner, Rieder, Claesson and De Haan--no doubt there were a few more. Maybe he could have gone further with Reaves. Grabner and Komarov got a lot more than I would have been comfortable with considering their age. We have the space for sure but overpaying quite often makes the player harder to move later on.

Pretty much all the long term deals including McDonagh, Couture and maybe even OEL are going to come back to haunt those teams on the back end of the term. Neal, Van Riemsdyk, Johnson the same. The Rangers stayed out of that.
 
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I just worry that we're going to start the year with a bunch of rookies and get our **** kicked in every night. Like, ugly, ugly, losses. If that happens, I think it's bad for the kids involved in it, even if we have another veteran presence or two around. I always believe kids develop best when they're in a competitive environment and it feels like the games have real competitive meaning. I'm not suggesting that we turn ourselves into a playoff contender, but I think we need to do more to avoid being a cellar dweller.

If everyone stays, our current roster could be, more or less

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Chytil-Hayes-Zuccarello
Spooner-Namestnikov-Fast
Vesey-Nieves-Beleskey

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Staal-Pionk
Smith-DeAngelo

Claesson, Kampfer.

So for me, that isn't a bunch of rookies. I've assumed pretty much everyone waiver eligible besides Chytil starts in the minors. It's a more than functional stopgap roster, I'd just like them to have a real 4th line center.
 
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Not sure about them having too much youth,

Lias, Chytil, Pionk, ADA, Buch, Georgiev? Beyond them, not saying they will all even make the team, but everyone else is 24 or older.
 
I don't exactly understand what they want back for him...

A top pair RHD is not happening and they don't want draft picks. How about an NHL ready/Near NHL ready player and pick(s)?
He mentions Jake Debrusk, do you guys think thats possible? I think even 1 for 1 i would consider it.
 
Riley Nash 2.75m x 3

Rieder 1M x 1

Were the two UFAs I would have liked to see them go after on the forward front and I don't think either of those contracts are bad for what those players are. They have some traits I like, mostly they can produce some points, they have versatility in position, they can both PK and they both have a bit of motor in the go try to do stuff category.

Rieder signed for $2m I believe. Plus he mentioned something about looking forward to playing with another German player (Drai) and also Crosby.
 
I just worry that we're going to start the year with a bunch of rookies and get our **** kicked in every night. Like, ugly, ugly, losses. If that happens, I think it's bad for the kids involved in it, even if we have another veteran presence or two around. I always believe kids develop best when they're in a competitive environment and it feels like the games have real competitive meaning. I'm not suggesting that we turn ourselves into a playoff contender, but I think we need to do more to avoid being a cellar dweller.
I don’t see how this is an issue.

As of right now there are plenty of NHLers on this roster... especially defense... which is not to say that the D is good... it’s just that they’re not rookies... far from it.

Nams being signed means that if Lias and Chytil aren’t ready they can plug him in.

No one should be surprised by a bottom 5 finish next year. That doesn’t mean we will be blown out night after night.

It’ll be ok
 
I think the best possible asset management in this situation would be to trade Hayes to Edmonton for Lucic and a big add, i just dont see EDM needing Hayes at all unless they put Drai on McDavid's wing which makes no sense. Aside from that i dont know a team that has a bad contract to trade and a need for C and a good player to offer as sweetener.
 
I guess I'm a little confused.

Who did you really want that Gorton and company slept on?
Originally posted 6/26...

UFA Players who interest me...

Jay Beagle -- leadership, great usefulness
Patrick Maroon -- hard worker
JVR (only with a Shattenkirk like contract, which I believe is possible)
David Perron -- maybe
Riley Nash (likely to be gone before a Hayes trade develops)
Derek Ryan
Ian Cole -- solid defenseman and locker room leader
Michael Grabner
Toby Reider -- He is a real useful 3rd/4th line player as long as he is paid accordingly
Michel Kempny -- showed me a lot in the playoffs
And one of -- Antoine Roussel, Ryan Reaves or Leo Komarov (need sandpaper) Reaves also a real good locker room guy

Afterwards, I added Blake Comeau to the list​
 
I would do it.

I don't think the Bruins would.
I don't know. Just taking a quick peak, they have a lot of guys coming due for contracts in the next 2-3 years - Bergeron, Rask, Krug, etc. Center is a more important position than wing. Bostons window has a few more years. Trade DeBrusk for Hayes. Give Hayes a 5 year deal. Win the cup. Trade Hayes in 2-3 years for a nice return. Retool and start over.
 
It is very possible that he chose Edmonton over us. Go play with McDavid or Drai for year, inflate your numbers, score a big contract in the next FA market.
Very true, I am not trying to say the Rangers had him in the bag and passed, was just a player and a contract I think they could have gone with given he has some upside and it's a one year deal.
 
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*Spoilers*

We're going to underwhelmed with whatever happens in a Hayes trade

Maybe, I have no idea what to expect in a trade though. He's not getting a #1RHD, but he's worth more than a 1st round pick and B prospect.

He with out a doubt holds value and there are several teams out there hurting for help down the middle with out any real options available.

I'd be looking to add either a stud winger not yet in the NHL + something else or a young top 4 RHD prospect who will make the jump either this season or next+.

I don't think thats an unreasonable ask, but maybe thats just me.
 
Originally posted 6/26...

UFA Players who interest me...

Jay Beagle -- leadership, great usefulness
Patrick Maroon -- hard worker
JVR (only with a Shattenkirk like contract, which I believe is possible)
David Perron -- maybe
Riley Nash (likely to be gone before a Hayes trade develops)
Derek Ryan
Ian Cole -- solid defenseman and locker room leader
Michael Grabner
Toby Reider -- He is a real useful 3rd/4th line player as long as he is paid accordingly
Michel Kempny -- showed me a lot in the playoffs
And one of -- Antoine Roussel, Ryan Reaves or Leo Komarov (need sandpaper) Reaves also a real good locker room guy

Afterwards, I added Blake Comeau to the list​

Roussel, Reaves and Komarov all got BAD contracts.
 
Soooo...

Sign De Haan

Then trade Skjei? Maybe to Toronto?

I don’t see the point in having them both on long term deals here unless we can jettison Staal.
 
Originally posted 6/26...

UFA Players who interest me...

Jay Beagle -- leadership, great usefulness
Patrick Maroon -- hard worker
JVR (only with a Shattenkirk like contract, which I believe is possible)
David Perron -- maybe
Riley Nash (likely to be gone before a Hayes trade develops)
Derek Ryan
Ian Cole -- solid defenseman and locker room leader
Michael Grabner
Toby Reider -- He is a real useful 3rd/4th line player as long as he is paid accordingly
Michel Kempny -- showed me a lot in the playoffs
And one of -- Antoine Roussel, Ryan Reaves or Leo Komarov (need sandpaper) Reaves also a real good locker room guy

Afterwards, I added Blake Comeau to the list​


Beagle was massively overpaid.
Maroon is still out there, Don't think we're an option.
JVR didn't take a Shattenkirk Deal.
Perron got 4X4, which was likely too rich for our blood.
Riley Nash got 3 years.
Ian Cole got 3 years. Slight overpay for him too.
Grabner got 3 years.
Reider I'm with you, apparently we were on him (depending on who you listen to). It's also possible that he had an offer from the Rangers and didn't choose us.
Kempny signed before the 1st.

Roussel and Komarov got horrendous deals. Those were guys I would have loved on a 1 or 2 year commitment. Reeves chose to stay in Vegas.

I'd rather play Beleskey (Yes, he sucks, but so do some of those guys listed above) and/or add a few bad contracts like Martin or Brower than pay out the ass for a UFA.

I wish they showed this type of restraint more often. Hopefully a sign of things to come where they'll only shell out money when its a no brainier. That option didn't exist this season.
 
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