Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

[bernmeister]

Forget about trading for EK, that Ryan contract alone should be a deterrent.

1. Chris Kreider to Boston for Ryan Donato and Jake DeBrusk.

2. Zucc to Dallas for Spezza, Janmark and a 1st.

3. Hayes to Car for Justin Faulk

4. Spezza @50%, Hajak and Howden to Winnipeg for Jacob Trouba and Nic Petan

5. Justin Faulk, Brendan Smith and Jake DeBrusk to EDM for Jesse Puljujarvi, Milan Lucic @4m per (33% retained) and 19’ first

Long-term lineup:
Jarnmark-Ziba-Pulju
Petan-Chytil-Kravtsov
Donato-Lias-Namestnikov
Lucic-Petan-Fast
Skjei-Trouba
Miller-Pionk
Lindgren-TDA

Plus 3 first in 19’ again.

Deal Shatty for another 1st, in 20’?

Kreider doesn't want to go to Boston IMO, and they won't give up those guys.
Hayes for Faulk is very bad, we are taking risk we get stuck w/him or Oil pay less.

We follow the overall plan and if EK is an exceptional opportunity at the right price, ok.

 

[SA16]

I don't think anyone is trading for the UFA, which is why they're being given a window to negotiate.

That's not really Ottawa's concern though. From Ottawa's standpoint he is a UFA. If they don't trade him he will leave after the season. What other teams decide to do with his contract should have absolutely no bearing on the trade from the Senators standpoint.

 

[Edge]

I'm not arguing for or against that.

But I'd imagine if this team pushes to trade for EK, they won't be done trying to make the team better. You don't blow up essential parts that you've gained through rebuilding on a 28 year old d-man, as elite as he is, to hope to start competing again when he's 31-33, and set your current rebuild back years.

You make that move if you're ready to say '**** it' and go.

And that's why I really have a hard time seeing the Rangers going down that path.

If they can get him on their terms, and by some weird chance, those terms include a package of Hayes, Pionk, Day and a 2020 first. Yeah, they might bite.

But I don't think it will come that easy.

So for as much as everyone keeps waiting for the other shoe to drop, and for the Rangers to dive into a big deal and speed up the rebuild, I think they're going to take their time. Through at least the 2019-20 season.

After that, I feel like things are a bit more up in the air. But I don't think summer 2018 is when they're looking to go down that path.

 

[bobbop]

At this point, Ottawa pretty much has to take the best offer, don't they?

 

[silverfish]

That's not really Ottawa's concern though. From Ottawa's standpoint he is a UFA. If they don't trade him he will leave after the season. What other teams decide to do with his contract should have absolutely no bearing on the trade from the Senators standpoint.

Unless it's a sign and trade. Ottawa maybe gets more value if the team trading for him wants him on that 8 year deal and not a 7 year deal.

 

[Trxjw]

Logically, yes. I think what people are responding most to is the chance to get Karlsson for dimes on the dollar.

I agree. I also think there is some general unrest due to the lack of moves Gorton has made.

 

[Gardner McKay]

What a ****ing failure. That's gotta be one of the biggest busts in the history of the league... 1st overall!

You had just joined but... You may remember the #FailForNail theme that was reverberating through our boards. Sell the farm. Tank for Nail. Game changing prospect. Guaranteed star.

 

[darko]

At this point, Ottawa pretty much has to take the best offer, don't they?

Yes.

 

[Gardner McKay]

If the Rangers are going to trade for a RHD, I'd put money on Trouba long before Karlsson.

Karlsson at 10-11 million >>>>>>>> injury prone Trouba at 8 million.

 

[Edge]

That's not really Ottawa's concern though. From Ottawa's standpoint he is a UFA. If they don't trade him he will leave after the season. What other teams decide to do with his contract should have absolutely no bearing on the trade from the Senators standpoint.

Ottawa's concern is getting the highest return possible and that means trading him to a team that has a contract in place.

There are teams out there who will be willing to pay the price with a contract in place.

Ottawa knows that and is pursuing that option.

So, no, his contract does have a bearing on the Sens because it will result in a higher return for them.

They could care less about the terms. They just know that the teams looking at him as a long-term investment will pay more. That's where they will likely focus.

 

[Edge]

At this point, Ottawa pretty much has to take the best offer, don't they?

Within reason, I think them allowing teams to negotiate with EK increases the value to those teams and thus increases the trade return for them.

So while they have to take the best offer at some point, I don't think the best offer is yet on the table.

 

[Nickmo82]

Karlsson has almost nothing left of his ankles.

Wouldn't want to trade away our diligently collected futures for a star that has a chance at completely melting down, especially given the current position of the team. They aren't going to compete for a while... so you'd be wasting the rest of Karlsson's prime on rebuilding.

It'd be so Rangers to do it though.

 

[darko]

Are you willing to bet 8 years at $11 million and a boatload of prospects on that belief?

That's going to be the question for the Rangers.

I think he gets more than 11 per.

 

[Lundy HOF]

I think the package would be Hayes, Skjei, Spooner, Hajek/Howden, and a 1st.

I’d do that for EK. Don’t see Andersson or Chytil going back; Vegas wouldn’t move Glass with a chance to win the cup, and he’s a comparable level prospect.

I don’t see a team beating that offer. I don’t know what the Rangers thoughts on moving Skjei is, though.

If we sign De Haan, I am ok with moving Skjei.

I would do the above deal if we changed the 1st to a 2nd. Maybe even squeeze in ADA (seems redundant with EK) and reduce the pick further?

Also I can’t decide who I want to lose less - Howden or Hajek lol

 

[bernmeister]

I'm reasonably certain no one has made that argument. That isn't the reason not to trade for Karlsson. The primary reason is because we are in a rebuild and trading for a player who is in his prime now would be a waste of assets. Yeah, Karlsson might buck the trend and be great for the next 8 years, but I'm not willing to give up valuable assets, waste 2-4 of those years, and hope that he will still be the same player after that.

Hence my call 4 years max even if we gotta go as high as 13.25 per, tho I'm optimistic it could be 12.5.

And I reiterate, EK in a $ generated deal only, makes no sense otherwise, just take our chances w/UFA.
We do not want an extended EK upping the price.

It's not written in stone but gotta figure Ryan is key and it's a package or a deal would have been done perhaps as early as last year.

It then becomes a matter of how many competitive bids can swallow any or all of Ryan.

That then informs as to whether it is Ryan at full pop, or if any of his cap is eaten, which me thinks Melnyk strongly prefers not. The less cap Ott eats, the less prospects NY has to offer.

Ott is on the clock.
If EK gets injured, they're effed.
Faster this is done, faster they move on.

 

[darko]

That would be fantastic asset management. De Haan is probably what Skjei becomes. Why not accelerate that AND upgrade the RD position?

You know what would be even better asset management. Getting De Haan, keeping Skjei and then going after EK as a free agent.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I don't think that gets it done for Ottawa.

We keep throwing out the guys we are okay with trading and assuming that if we give quantity, it will mask the fact that we aren't giving up one of our "prized possessions."

Any deal for EK is going to make you swallow...hard.

If it doesn't, it probably isn't going to get it done.

If that doesn’t get it done for Karlsson, then he doesn’t get traded IMO. Do you see Colorado giving up Makar/OTT 1st, Tampa giving up Sergachev, Vegas giving up Glass? I don’t, and those are the only pieces that would beat the hypothetical package I proposed, IMO.

That said, maybe the Rangers wouldn’t even offer that much.

 

[Inferno]

Here's some thoughts....

Why is Larry Brooks breaking all this senators stuff? Rangers or isles must be VERY involved for that to be the case.

Why are the rangers seemingly loading up on the left side but not so much on the right side?

I'm not sure if he ends up here...smart money is on Vegas....but I do know that these things are...interesting to at least ponder.


Like I said...my offer is Ryan plus ek65 for Hayes Ada spooner and a 2nd.

Firsts are off limits high end prospects are off limits.

Then u play the kids.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Here's some thoughts....

Why is Larry Brooks breaking all this senators stuff? Rangers or isles must be VERY involved for that to be the case.

Why are the rangers seemingly loading up on the left side but not so much on the right side?

I'm not sure if he ends up here...smart money is on Vegas....but I do know that these things are...interesting to at least ponder.


Like I said...my offer is Ryan plus ek65 for Hayes Ada spooner and a 2nd.

Firsts are off limits high end prospects are off limits.

Then u play the kids.

Also MOST IMPORTANTLY we signed Claesson his bff!!!!

 

[Rangers in 7]

I’m just hoping we are going to be the middle man, keep Ryan and get assets for facilitating the trade

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I agree. I also think there is some general unrest due to the lack of moves Gorton has made.

For years there have been calls to rebuild Guess some people need to be careful what they wish for—they might just get it......

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here's some thoughts....

Why is Larry Brooks breaking all this senators stuff? Rangers or isles must be VERY involved for that to be the case.

Why are the rangers seemingly loading up on the left side but not so much on the right side?

I'm not sure if he ends up here...smart money is on Vegas....but I do know that these things are...interesting to at least ponder.


Like I said...my offer is Ryan plus ek65 for Hayes Ada spooner and a 2nd.

Firsts are off limits high end prospects are off limits.

Then u play the kids.

Larry may have gotten the info from EK's Agent.

 

[TheTakedown]

You had just joined but... You may remember the #FailForNail theme that was reverberating through our boards. Sell the farm. Tank for Nail. Game changing prospect. Guaranteed star.

LMAO yes I joined like 1 day after the 2012 ECF loss to the devils.

Fail for nail? jesus christmas, the guy sucked ass here

 

[Edge]

For years there have been calls to rebuild Guess some people need to be careful what they wish for—they might just get it......

For years I scoffed at the idea that Ranger fans couldn't handle a rebuild and thought it was a crutch used by ownership.

Now I find myself in a world where ownership seems more capable of handling a rebuild than Rangers fans.

Talk about one of life's surprises.

 

[Edge]

Larry may have gotten the info from EK's Agent.

Or Larry knows the assumption is that the Rangers were going to go hard for EK, and with no other news to report, here we are.