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I think we were involved as a facilitator. Maybe we would have taken on Ryan's contract, but Gorton decided the return wasn't worth it. I don't believe for a second that Gorton had any serious thought to acquiring EK.
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I think we were involved as a facilitator. Maybe we would have taken on Ryan's contract, but Gorton decided the return wasn't worth it. I don't believe for a second that Gorton had any serious thought to acquiring EK.
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I do not see the Rangers trading any of their guys in the pipeline away - it is completely counterproductive. Especially some of these names you guys are dropping, Howden, HAJEK? Come on guys.
Ottawa has to look at it this way, where can they dump their extremely high cap hit ($7,200,000 per season) while also getting SOMETHING for Karlsson. I can see Spooner being involved, or maybe a 2nd round pick at best. No chance Ottawa sees a 1st, or a major pipeline product while their asset has already displayed public outrage and wants out.
This is key. Bobby Ryan is VERY LARGE negative trade value. Attaching him to Karlsson allows them to move that negative value along with an asset that has positive value, which gets them out from the financial commitment (which is the primary issue right now).
Karlsson is not staying with Ottawa, value down
Teams were never trading a boatload of assets for a rental Karlsson to begin with, value down
Only a handful of teams can even consider taking Karlsson with an extension, let alone adding Bobby Ryan to the deal, value down
Karlsson being extended doesn't necessarily up the trade value, because the entire Karlsson deal is contingent on Ryan being taken as well, value down
Melnyk just refinanced debt and needs to get out from this contract--ala he's trying to get the valuation of the team up, and needs to move on the $30M commitment to a player that will most likely never produce what he's worth, value down since Melnyk is bent over a barrel right now
Ryan + Karlsson is $13.75M in cap space, OTT is at $60.89M against the salary cap, but they'll be down to $47.14M after trading Karlsson and Ryan. The cap floor is $58.8M, Ottawa needs to add $11.66M in salary at minimum to reach the cap floor.
The trade that somebody noted where the rangers a) sign Spooner, b) pay the signing bonus, and then c) trade the player is perfect for this. Rangers have a glut of picks they can trade. You can also move Zuccarello for another package and then take some of those picks and move them.
For reference, the Bobby Ryan buyout isn't bad if we wait one more year. I don't know if it's possible, but I'd love for the Rangers to not honor the NTC/NMC attaching to the contract
Bobby Ryan Buyout Details
Cost Calculations
| BUYOUT DATE | BASE SALARY REMAINING | S.BONUS REMAINING | YEARS REMAINING | BUYOUT LENGTH | AGE | BUYOUT RATIO | TOTAL COST | TOTAL SAVINGS | ANNUAL COST |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jun 15, 2019 | $16,500,000 | $6,000,000 | 3 | 6 | 32 | 2/3 | $11,000,000 | $5,500,000 | $1,833,333 |
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| SEASON | BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | ACTUAL COST | SAVINGS | FINAL CAP HIT |
| 2019-20 | $5,500,000 | $7,250,000 | $1,833,333 | $3,666,667 | $3,583,333 |
| 2020-21 | $5,500,000 | $7,250,000 | $1,833,333 | $3,666,667 | $3,583,333 |
| 2021-22 | $5,500,000 | $7,250,000 | $1,833,333 | $3,666,667 | $3,583,333 |
| 2022-23 | $0 | $0 | $1,833,333 | -$1,833,333 | $1,833,333 |
| 2023-24 | $0 | $0 | $1,833,333 | -$1,833,333 | $1,833,333 |
| 2024-25 | $0 | $0 | $1,833,333 | -$1,833,333 | $1,833,333 |
| TOTAL | $16,500,000 | $21,750,000 | $11,000,000 | $5,500,000 | $16,250,000 |
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Edge
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Are you willing to bet 8 years at $11 million and a boatload of prospects on that belief?
That's going to be the question for the Rangers.
62 (in 71), on a horrible gong show of a team after having no training camp following surgery on a foot where we knew that wouldn't be 100% until the year after (this upcoming season.)
TheTakedown
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Again, Ryan on his own is worth a bag of pucks. The guy is basically Rick Nash with 4 years at $7.25M left on his deal. That's a cap dump if I ever saw one
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He's allowed to be wrong.
He provided the best coverage into the whole Tavares thing of all the guys out there. He's been on top of almost everything that has happened with that franchise since he took that job and frequently communicates with the fan base (including hosting periodic Q and A's).
Yeah, I wish we had a guy like him covering the team. Brooks his hit or miss, Carp seems like a great guy to get a beer with and listen to tell stories from before most of us were born but they're not on that level.
Cerny, despite the creep factor, was the closest thing we had to that. If anything, the Athletic should hire him.
Kakko
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I think the Rangers should be willing to trade for Karlsson, but I can see why people wouldn't. However, don't kid yourself into thinking that any of our prospects or future picks will be on his level. You think you need elite talent to win a cupt? This is your best shot.
Edge
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I think that's the assumption and rationalization we and a lot of teams use before plunging into deals they regret within a few years.
No one goes into a contract thinking the wheels are going to fall off. It's always assumed that things will get better. Afterall, looks at [Exhibit A], [Exhibit B] and [Exhibit C].
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How can that even be? They were number #2 on Forbes list with a value of 1.4 Billion.
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The buyout of Ryan isn't that bad. Give him a year to see where he is. See how next off-season goes. If the money is needed, buy him out. If not, give him another year.
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I would trade all our beat writers for a guy like Mike Russo but frankly Brooks is better than most other team’s beat guys.
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I really don't think the expectation is or should be that anyone is on Karlsson's level.
But I also think there's a reason why teams who think they are close to capturing a Cup are the ones primarily in on the EK talks.
If nothing else, we feel like the "one of these things" part of the "One of these things is not like the other" song.
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Canadian teams rarely spend all the way up to the cap. The financial aspect of the game hits them hard with the uncertainty of the CAD. The thing is:
Their revenue is in CAD, but their expenses are in USD. If the CAD drops ever so slightly, it has major implications for all Canadian teams. And with the global situation regarding oil, which is Canada's biggest export product accounting for nearly 30% of all their export, it's difficult to plan ahead. A few years ago it was much worse, and it has stabilized a bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if the teams are cautious with this in mind.
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Again, shaping it up for EK65 to be the bad guy for turning down $80M. Bush league by Ottawa.
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I'm reasonably certain no one has made that argument. That isn't the reason not to trade for Karlsson. The primary reason is because we are in a rebuild and trading for a player who is in his prime now would be a waste of assets. Yeah, Karlsson might buck the trend and be great for the next 8 years, but I'm not willing to give up valuable assets, waste 2-4 of those years, and hope that he will still be the same player after that.
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I don't think you understand what the "full value" of Karlsson is via trade.
You'd be talking, Chytil, Andersson, 2019 1st, 2020 2nd, 2019 3rd, and a replacement roster player
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Well, it also depends how that contract is written up. Looking at Tavares and Price, with ~90% being signing bonuses (i.e. guaranteed money in case of a lockout or buy out), I can understand Karlsson rejecting it if it's a big base salary and a smaller signing bonus.
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That would be fantastic asset management. De Haan is probably what Skjei becomes. Why not accelerate that AND upgrade the RD position?
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