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Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part II - Who is left?

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Go Away Staal said:
Sounds like EK wants 11.

But yeah they'd need to shed a few bodies. Zucc coming off the books helps, but they're going to be up against it when the next wave of youngin's are RFA's.
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That's an extremely reasonable figure. I think he could get more on the open market.

I think NYR would have to find a way to lose either Smith or Staal. Ideally both. Of course, this depends on who they would hypothetically have to trade.
 
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Leetch3 said:
Gorton signed him as a free agent. He didn’t trade a bunch of assets for him
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And for 5 years, no? Not next year plus 8.

Dorion is opening up the negotiations because the offers must be frighteningly low. He needs an extended EK to get the desired return. I just don't see how we steal him while so many teams are in the running. I mean, Karlsson could refuse to come to terms with teams except the ones he sees a future with but you can't count on him moving heaven and earth to make a NYR deal work.

I know a lot of posters disagree but I'm very bullish to the trade. Just stay the course. It's a 9 year commitment and we will drop prospects, do an about face and go all in yet again. Henrik will ride out the contract. Igor might balk if he doesn't get the net.

The one thing that makes me optimistic is dorion needs salary coming back. It might be a deal based around Hayes and Spooner. Other pieces, yes, but maybe not too much.

Personally, I'm fascinated to see the current course play out. Lurk on the fringes and strike when a team is desperate. Take advantage instead of being at everyone's mercy.
 
Go Away Staal said:
To me if they can't get it done with some combo of Skjei/Pionk and Buchnevich/Hayes/Zucc+ a pick or 2 they need to walk away.
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Some of those pieces are too much imo, I think we sometimes undersell just how toxic Ryan’s contract is. It’s an albatross.

Spooner + ADA/Poink + Lindgren + 2 2nds (‘19/‘20)

I would shy away from the bigger pieces unless they would eat a fat portion of that contract (or include Staal or something to offset)

It’s a very mediocre package but with Ryan included it’s hard to gauge I guess.
 
kovazub94 said:
Losing Skjei or Hayes and take on a very expensive bad contract to only get Glass? Not worth it IMHO.
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It wouldn't be just for Glass. Glass alone isn't getting Karlsson.

There were rumors that the package to Ottawa discussed names like Tuch and Theodore. Glass was the final piece Ottawa wanted but Vegas wouldn't give him up.
 
DutchShamrock said:
And for 5 years, no? Not next year plus 8.

Dorion is opening up the negotiations because the offers must be frighteningly low. He needs an extended EK to get the desired return. I just don't see how we steal him while so many teams are in the running. I mean, Karlsson could refuse to come to terms with teams except the ones he sees a future with but you can't count on him moving heaven and earth to make a NYR deal work.

I know a lot of posters disagree but I'm very bullish to the trade. Just stay the course. It's a 9 year commitment and we will drop prospects, do an about face and go all in yet again. Henrik will ride out the contract. Igor might balk if he doesn't get the net.

The one thing that makes me optimistic is dorion needs salary coming back. It might be a deal based around Hayes and Spooner. Other pieces, yes, but maybe not too much.

Personally, I'm fascinated to see the current course play out. Lurk on the fringes and strike when a team is desperate. Take advantage instead of being at everyone's mercy.
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It was a 5 year deal, but its worth noting that Chara has been there for 13 years now.

Yes I know he is the freak of all freaks and certainly an outlier, but elite players usually age well.

If there is a deal to be made it will have to come at the expense of roster players. I don't think JG amassed all of this prospect depth just to trade it away before they have a chance to even see what they have. They've been rumored to have a center available for a top 4 RHD so maybe this is where it happens.
 
Another interesting bit would be if Lou offer shorted Nylander and we got a bounty from Toronto for helping with their cap. Taking on Horton and Martin, a 1st and Kapinen for Beleskey or O'Gara. Stick it back to Lou and keep your star.
 
DutchShamrock said:
Another interesting bit would be if Lou offer shorted Nylander and we got a bounty from Toronto for helping with their cap. Taking on Horton and Martin, a 1st and Kapinen for Beleskey or O'Gara. Stick it back to Lou and keep your star.
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Again, if that happened, the Isles would be searching for a new GM because Shanny would end him.
 
Go Away Staal said:
It was a 5 year deal, but its worth noting that Chara has been there for 13 years now.

Yes I know he is the freak of all freaks and certainly an outlier, but elite players usually age well.

If there is a deal to be made it will have to come at the expense of roster players. I don't think JG amassed all of this prospect depth just to trade it away before they have a chance to even see what they have. They've been rumored to have a center available for a top 4 RHD so maybe this is where it happens.
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No doubt, and I won't say that EK can't pull it off too. But that's twice as long of an initial commitment plus the trade instead of just a series of contracts.
 
kovazub94 said:
Losing Skjei or Hayes and take on a very expensive bad contract to only get Glass? Not worth it IMHO.
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Think of how the front office may view it - taking on a bad contract for an extra, developed top ten pick. That must be tempting.
 
I've obviously missed a tweet/rumour, but is there serious talk we may be trading for EK?
9 years is a long time, I guess it comes down to whether they think they can be competitive (should be challenging fore ECF) in over half those years, ideally at least 6 of the 9. If they believe that's realistic then roll the dice; otherwise just walk away now
 
I called this at the deadline. Gorts was gonna rebuild like the bruins of 05 06 when they traded Thornton signed chara and savard and traded for raask. Then build around the 2 big signings.

Going by that alone I thought Karlsson would be a target.

I just hope that our pipeline can match the Bergeron Marchand krejci lucic pipeline that led the bruins to the cup on 11.
 
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mike14 said:
I've obviously missed a tweet/rumour, but is there serious talk we may be trading for EK?
9 years is a long time, I guess it comes down to whether they think they can be competitive (should be challenging fore ECF) in over half those years, ideally at least 6 of the 9. If they believe that's realistic then roll the dice; otherwise just walk away now
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The Tweet was that Ottawa has given interested teams permission to negotiate with EK.
 
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mike14 said:
I've obviously missed a tweet/rumour, but is there serious talk we may be trading for EK?
9 years is a long time, I guess it comes down to whether they think they can be competitive (should be challenging fore ECF) in over half those years, ideally at least 6 of the 9. If they believe that's realistic then roll the dice; otherwise just walk away now
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Brooks said Ottawa has given teams permission to talk with EK, Pagnotta said Rangers and some other teams could be involved.
 
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I'm in the same boat, I'd love to have him, but I'd also be fine with a real rebuild.

still not sure how you do that with ALL of Staal, Henrik, Shattenkirk, Zucc (even though he's up for FA) on the books, as well as a decision needing to be made on Hayes.
 
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