GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[ER89]

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. No matter what number you look at Nino is a better play driver than Nylander. It's literally not close.

uh like what exactly? How can a guy be a better play driver when his career high is 25 goals and pts is 57.

You can say fundamentally all you want, but that is simply not true. And literally not close? I don't think either of those terms apply here. We're talking about a guy who was for the first half of the season before marner and matthews got going was our best forward. Ridiculous that you think nino is the better play driver. It doesn't even make sense.

A guy who who has 34 goals and 80 pts is THE better play driver no matter what mental gymnastics you want to do around it.

 

[Mad hatter]

I'd laugh.

When you've followed this team for 60+ years, you don't take minor stuff like franchise level players leaving too seriously.

It’s been 48 years for me and Matts was probably the closest to a franchise player in my time. Matthews is by far the best player I’ve seen as a leaf and it would suck if he left for me.

Cheering for the leafs definitely teaches you not to take stuff too seriously though and how to deal disappointment

Go leafs Go

 

[zeke]

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. No matter what number you look at Nino is a better play driver than Nylander. It's literally not close.

This is where the danger of trusting GAR literally rears its head.

According to GAR, Niederreiter was the best forward on the Canes, and DeAngelo the 2nd best dman. They were the 2nd and 3rd best Canes behind only Slavin.

On a per60 basis, Niederreiter was the best player on the Canes, and DeAngelo again the 3rd best.

Both far far better than Pacioretty or Burns, who themselves were barely better than Trochek.

So according to GAR, the Canes just had a disastrous offseason, and losing their BEST player Niederreiter just to see him sign for $4mx2yrs is an epic, epic blunder.

 

[OVO16]

Atleast sign ZAR, Larsson or Motte.

Our 4th line still isn't tenacious enough

 

[123offtheglass]

Atleast sign ZAR, Larsson or Motte.

Our 4th line still isn't tenacious enough

Of the 3, Larsson would be my pick.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Missing out on Neiderreiter at that price is a massive blunder

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Missing out on Neiderreiter at that price is a massive blunder

The player also has to want to come here. I'm sure we would have been in at that price.

If the Blues get Tkachuk and they need to clear space would they move Tarasenko or O'Reilly with one year left on their deals? Thomas extension kicks in next summer.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Missing out on Neiderreiter at that price is a massive blunder

he would have asked for more to sign in Toronto. 4M price tag is for Nashville due to a lack of state tax. Don't want him on the Leafs for 5M+

 

[SprDaVE]

I wonder if it might be worth it for the Leafs to extend Bunting right now? There's no rush I suppose and it's risky but I think he's been a great fit on and off the ice.

I'd take the chance on giving him a ~4M cap hit for 4-5 years kind of thing. Get him before he potentially explodes even more and is in the 5M+ territory.

 

[stickty111]

The point of running it back isn’t too improve. This was the 4th overall team in the league last year, there is only marginal room for improvement.

Not to mention there is a very real possibility of an improvement, possibly a sizable one, in net.

I like to think the goalies won't be bottom 5 again so there should be improvement. People can hate the trade and I still do but the goalies are fine. We'll have a playable 4th line so that should be good. I'd like a middle 6 addition but to think this off season is a disaster isn't reality. I can name one or two trades he's been rinsed so thats not true either

 

[kb]

I'm surprised that there are people that actually see it as a realistic possibility.

Just looking for more perceived Ammo against.......well......

 

[BertCorbeau]

I wonder if it might be worth it for the Leafs to extend Bunting right now? There's no rush I suppose and it's risky but I think he's been a great fit on and off the ice.

I'd take the chance on giving him a ~4M cap hit for 4-5 years kind of thing. Get him before he potentially explodes even more and is in the 5M+ territory.

It would be the pragmatic thing to do but since when in this regime have we extended someone a year before their contract period?

 

[SprDaVE]

It would be the pragmatic thing to do but since when in this regime have we extended someone a year before their contract period?

They did for Rielly, although it was in late October when they did. But Rielly and Bunting are on different tiers of importance for sure.

I'd just hate to lose Bunting to free agency.

 

[Burnie97]

It would be the pragmatic thing to do but since when in this regime have we extended someone a year before their contract period?

It could be many times the GM tries but the player is banking on themself in a contract year.

 

[kb]

The amount of intentional lying to make 'ego boosting' arguments (fail points) is really making this site sickening.

 

[Knies iT]

I like to think the goalies won't be bottom 5 again so there should be improvement. People can hate the trade and I still do but the goalies are fine. We'll have a playable 4th line so that should be good. I'd like a middle 6 addition but to think this off season is a disaster isn't reality. I can name one or two trades he's been rinsed so thats not true either

Murray, Foligno, Marchment, Kadri.

Most other trades are draft related (trade downs, pick swaps), dumping contracts (Zaitsev, Marleau, Ritchie, Mrazek), future considerations, etc.

The Muzzin trade was fine but is aging poorly. Campbell trade could amount to a 1B for a 50pt+ forward if Moore keeps this up. Kapanen and Giordano are his wins.

I'm not confident when this guy trades anymore whatsoever.

 

[LeafChief]

Tomasino is a fine prospect but someone mentioned he's a top 10 defensive centre in the league a few pages back and I almost choked.

He's played 76 NHL games and most (if not all) against 3rd line competition. Some of you are losing your minds this offseason.

 

[Legion34]

This is the same guy (Serravalli) that said Gaudreau was getting 7x12m

Did he say he was staying in Calgary?

Every actual insider cj. Dreger. Friedman seravalli all have said that they have every belief Matty will re sign

The idea that he would leave like 50-70 goals from the all time record of the most famous team worldwide in hockey is silly.

Personally I think he signs a 3 year deal. Gets the all time goal record and can make his decision from there when the cap jumps.

But if he wants to sign 8. Great. I would just let him secure the bag.front load it and if he wants to go south promise to trade him wherever he wants to go.

He owes us nothing. If he wants to go home. Let him. Work out a trade like tkachuk. If he won’t sign and we keep him. Well that’s the leafs mistake not his

 

[GrizzGreen]

he would have asked for more to sign in Toronto. 4M price tag is for Nashville due to a lack of state tax. Don't want him on the Leafs for 5M+

Larger factors than state tax imo... he loved Portland in junior, struggled a bit in NY, did well in MN and Carolina

Some guys like smaller markets (feel like Minny is an outlier, huge hockey fandom, smaller city)

 

[stickty111]

Murray, Foligno, Marchment, Kadri.

Most other trades are draft related (trade downs, pick swaps), dumping contracts (Zaitsev, Marleau, Ritchie, Mrazek), future considerations, etc.

The Muzzin trade was fine but is aging poorly. Campbell trade could amount to a 1B for a 50pt+ forward if Moore keeps this up. Kapanen and Giordano are his wins.

I'm not confident when this guy trades anymore whatsoever.

Murray and Foligno I'll give you. Marchment trade I still don't see a problem. Marchment wasn't doing well in the AHL so hard to fault Dubas that progressed like he did when he got traded. Kadri one maybe based on what he did but the reasoning behind it was fine, and the return was fine but fit wasn't good with Barrie.
I find Dubas to be average on trades which is still an improvement on the previous guy.

 

[ULF_55]

I wonder if it might be worth it for the Leafs to extend Bunting right now? There's no rush I suppose and it's risky but I think he's been a great fit on and off the ice.

I'd take the chance on giving him a ~4M cap hit for 4-5 years kind of thing. Get him before he potentially explodes even more and is in the 5M+ territory.

Why not try something like 6/7y * 3mm.
That's a gamble for both, but also a guarantee for both.
Nashville did something similar for Arvidsson in 2017 when he was 24 coming off a 61 point season.
Small signing bonus, increasing in year 3 after the escrow returns to CBA.

 

[Stephen]

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. No matter what number you look at Nino is a better play driver than Nylander. It's literally not close.

Nino Niederrieter is someone you happily play on a line with or behind Nylander's line, not someone as a Nylander substitute. Nylander outscored Nino by 36 points this past season and was closer to Jarnkrok's 30 points, if we're looking at any random number.

 

[Zero1]

Obviously at the time Kappy and Johnsson looked promising but Seth Jarvis making < 900k would have been nice.

That Marleau cap dump was terrible.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Why not try something like 6/7y * 3mm.
That's a gamble for both, but also a guarantee for both.
Nashville did something similar for Arvidsson in 2017 when he was 24 coming off a 61 point season.

The Arvidsson contract would be 4.7m x 7 years.

 

[Stephen]

I wonder if it might be worth it for the Leafs to extend Bunting right now? There's no rush I suppose and it's risky but I think he's been a great fit on and off the ice.

I'd take the chance on giving him a ~4M cap hit for 4-5 years kind of thing. Get him before he potentially explodes even more and is in the 5M+ territory.

Is it a two horse race between re-signing Bunting or a yet to emerge Ilya Samsonov?