GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[The Podium]

If you can turn Nylander into Tkachuk signed long term, you absolutely do it.

 

[Amadeus]

If you can turn Nylander into Tkachuk signed long term, you absolutely do it.

Signed and long term is key here.

 

[Mckay]

If you can turn Nylander into Tkachuk signed long term, you absolutely do it.

As has already been said. People already complain that we have too much tied up in 4 players. And now many want MORE cap tied up into 4 players.

 

[Apex Predator]

As has already been said. People already complain that we have too much tied up in 4 players. And now many want MORE cap tied up into 4 players.

If you want to turn Nylander into a defenseman i’m good with that but turning it into 4 forwards with more of a cap hit is not a good idea.

 

[Mad hatter]

I understand that Nylander is a good player but if Calgary was stupid enough to offer Tkachuk one for one you take it ever day. No way it would ever happen because Calgary would have to do something for the future not 2 years.

I think our target should be TJ Miller, the type of player we need and cost less much than Tkachuk. Kerfoot/Sandin/pick for Miller with retention would be awesome. Too many years of first round exits for me to worry about next season, I only care about this coming season.

Go Leafs Go

 

[Menzinger]

Yes, I could see him looking for a different opportunity.

Nylander likely 8-8.8ish mil over 7/8 years. He seems like he likes playing in Toronto and is good at keeping out the external noise that often gets to players. But the Hardest part for the Leafs if they want to extend him is to convince him it's worth staying despite not being the teams go to winger for the prime opportunities.

I don't see a way for Marner and Tkachuk to be on the same team long term unless that team intends on spending almost nothing on it's 2-4Cs. You can't spend 30-36ish mil on three forwards and have only one of them be a centre....

 

[ULF_55]

As has already been said. People already complain that we have too much tied up in 4 players. And now many want MORE cap tied up into 4 players.

Coyotes:
marner, Kerfoot, Holl, +/-
Leafs:
Schmaltz, Chychrun, Crouse, +/-



Bunting-Matthews-Schmaltz
Crouse-Tavares-Nylander
...

Rielly-Chychrun
Muzzin-Liljegren
Giordano-Brodie
Sandin

 

[andora]

Nylander and Brodie to Nashville
Tomasino, Granlund, Carrier to here

 

[The Podium]

As has already been said. People already complain that we have too much tied up in 4 players. And now many want MORE cap tied up into 4 players.

Well the big problem is a lot of the same elements in the current 4. Tkachuk would solve a huge issue of physicality in the top 6, and wouldn’t be making much more than what Nylander is going to get in a couple seasons.

The idea would be to somewhat tank the next couple seasons until Tavares is off the books anyway.

 

[Sweetpotato]

If you can turn Nylander into Tkachuk signed long term, you absolutely do it.

No because you'd be paying 10mil per year or close to for Tkachuk or lose him in a year. No interest what so ever.

TO doesn't need Tkachuk for 10/year, they need 2 5 mill players. Would you rather have Tkachuk or Hyman+Copp, Girard+Danault, Kane+Hanifin etc, etc.

At this point any big move isn't happening. If Dubas moves one of the big 4 now there are very few suitors because everyone has used their cap space. They aren't doing it at this point they're moving one of Kerfoot or Holl to get under the cap and moving forward just signing players willing to play for league min.

 

[Americanadian]

Nylander and Brodie to Nashville
Tomasino, Granlund, Carrier to here

Nylander+Holl for Tomasino+Fabbro would be a better version of this in my opinion. I think Nashville is more likely to part with Fabbro over Carrier because Carrier has been playing top pair minutes for them and Fabbro is projected as 3rd pair with McDonagh coming in. Getting rid of Brodie who signed in Toronto as a FA would also be bad business and it would look bad for other FA's coming in. The deal I'm proposing would clear roughly 5.7M for the Leafs and allow them to keep Kerfoot and take a run at Niederreiter. They could run:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Niederreiter-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Kerfoot-Tomasino-X
Engvall-Kampf-NAK

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Fabbro
Gio-Lily

Where X is a forward acquired for Sandin (Hayton or McMichael). With Nino at 4.5M (Saad deal) this roster would have 2M left over to allow the Leafs to run a 22 man roster.

 

[Fogelhund]

No because you'd be paying 10mil per year or close to for Tkachuk or lose him in a year. No interest what so ever.

TO doesn't need Tkachuk for 10/year, they need 2 5 mill players. Would you rather have Tkachuk or Hyman+Copp, Girard+Danault, Kane+Hanifin etc, etc.

At this point any big move isn't happening. If Dubas moves one of the big 4 now there are very few suitors because everyone has used their cap space. They aren't doing it at this point they're moving one of Kerfoot or Holl to get under the cap and moving forward just signing players willing to play for league min.

More like $11-13 mil.

 

[Sweetpotato]

More like $11-13 mil.

That's a fair point I guess so should've said "double digits" or something along those lines.

 

[andora]

Nylander+Holl for Tomasino+Fabbro would be a better version of this in my opinion. I think Nashville is more likely to part with Fabbro over Carrier because Carrier has been playing top pair minutes for them and Fabbro is projected as 3rd pair with McDonagh coming in. Getting rid of Brodie who signed in Toronto as a FA would also be bad business and it would look bad for other FA's coming in. The deal I'm proposing would clear roughly 5.7M for the Leafs and allow them to keep Kerfoot and take a run at Niederreiter. They could run:

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Niederreiter-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Kerfoot-Tomasino-X
Engvall-Kampf-NAK

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Fabbro
Gio-Lily

Where X is a forward acquired for Sandin (Hayton or McMichael). With Nino at 4.5M (Saad deal) this roster would have 2M left over to allow the Leafs to run a 22 man roster.

Disagree on the bad business part affecting other ufas.. i think that is more of a wives tale than actual

Brodie is good enough to run a vet 4 like they did on their run to the final.. holl is not

Carrier i feel bringa a bit more edge than fabbro

 

[cipher]

If you can turn Nylander into Tkachuk signed long term, you absolutely do it.

Agreed. Being able to sign/trade for a 24 year old player like Tkachuk is usually impossible in today's NHL so this is one of those rare circumstances. Especially given the history Tkachuk has with Marner and Matthews. If, and it's a big if, the Leafs could do Nylander/Kerfoot/1st or Nylander/Holl/1st for Tkachuk and get him to sign a 10M deal for 7-8 years then you do it. Tavares is coming off the books in 3 years and the cap will be going up again so having Matthews/Marner/Tkachuk as the core going forward is pretty special.

 

[andora]

This tkachuk dream is just like the tavares signing.. bad timing

Tavares 3 years left
Matthews 2 years left
Not having matthews on dotted line before committing to another winger is arrogant in my opinion

And this magical cap rise everyone is stating.. with matthews raise plus tkachuks salary what raise in the cap is necessary to even make it viable

Isnt it only projected to be a million the next two years?

 

[Americanadian]

Disagree on the bad business part affecting other ufas.. i think that is more of a wives tale than actual

Brodie is good enough to run a vet 4 like they did on their run to the final.. holl is not

Carrier i feel bringa a bit more edge than fabbro

1. How would you feel if you signed with your hometown team and played the 2nd most amount of minutes among d-men from the minute you arrived and they turned around and shipped you out with a full no trade clause?

2. They have 5 top 4D as it stands with Josi, Ekholm, Carrier, Fabbro, McDonagh. Holl would slide in as 3RD with Lauzon/Boro playing 3LD.

3. This feels subjective. When I look at "edge" or "grit" from a defenseman I look at how often they block shots and dish out hits. Carrier has a combined 8.1 hits+blocked shots per 60 minutes whereas Fabbro has a combined 8.3. I think the difference is negligible although Carrier does take double the amount of PIMs. Again - I don't think Nashville would part with Carrier.

 

[Sypher04]

This tkachuk dream is just like the tavares signing.. bad timing

Tavares 3 years left
Matthews 2 years left
Not having matthews on dotted line before committing to another winger is arrogant in my opinion

And this magical cap rise everyone is stating.. with matthews raise plus tkachuks salary what raise in the cap is necessary to even make it viable

Isnt it only projected to be a million the next two years?

It’s not magical. The cap is being artificially held down to make the owners whole for all the money the players owe them. Once that is paid back, scheduled to be so in about 2 years, all expectations are we will see a dramatic rise of the cap ceiling, likely to somewhere approaching the mid 90s.

That said, I don’t disagree with your point of your post. Tkachuk is a pipe dream as far as I see it

 

[Mickey Marner]

I like Tkachuk, but he's going to want stupid money. Like, highest paid winger in the league money. Keith fought for every dollar and his sons do too. We don't need more of that in our locker room.

 

[trellaine201]

I didn’t realize Willie has only 2 years left on his contract. I would definitely trade him plus to get Matthew for one. I think Nylander bolts for another team in two years.

 

[Ciao]

I know this is a pipe dream, but is Matthew Tkachuk not exactly what this team needs? A top line player with some backbone and snarl - a guy who can play with our stars but still get dirty in the alley.

Is this a bad overpay?

Nylander, Sandin, & 2023 1st
for
Tkachuk

Would need them to take back some salary (i.e. Kerfoot, Holl, etc) and/or make subsequent moves to offload salary for picks.

Roast away!

I'm good with this as a hockey trade, but with Matthews, Tavares and Marner already clocking in with such big numbers I don't think the Leafs could commit to one more mega-contract. If anything, thay have one too many already.

The Leafs need to pick and choose better as to where to spend their $10-dollar-bills. At present, they're fully committed and don't have room for another one of those contracts.

This is where the opportunity cost of the Tavares contract really hurts.

 

[PromisedLand]

seems like Calgary might be blowing it the F up.

I'd trade
Marner for 8.5M x 7 for Tkachuck
Muzzin + 1st for Hanifin
Kerfoot + Holl + 2nd/Robertson for Toffoli

Bunting-Matthews-Nylander
Tkachuck-Tavares-Toffoli
Engvall-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Knies - Center-Kubel
ExtraForward

Rielly Brodie
Sandin Hanifin
Gio Liljegren
Benn/7th D

Total Cap OUT: Marner (11M) + Muzzin (5.6M) + Kefoot (3.5) + Holl (2) = 22.1M

Total Cap IN: Tkachuck (8.5) + Hanifin (5M) + Toffoli (4.25M) = 17.8M

Save: 4.3M (use this to bolster bottom 6 add depth/ sign 7th D-man (less than Holl for a 1 yr deal) or make other use of it at the TDL

 

[andora]

1. How would you feel if you signed with your hometown team and played the 2nd most amount of minutes among d-men from the minute you arrived and they turned around and shipped you out with a full no trade clause?

2. They have 5 top 4D as it stands with Josi, Ekholm, Carrier, Fabbro, McDonagh. Holl would slide in as 3RD with Lauzon/Boro playing 3LD.

3. This feels subjective. When I look at "edge" or "grit" from a defenseman I look at how often they block shots and dish out hits. Carrier has a combined 8.1 hits+blocked shots per 60 minutes whereas Fabbro has a combined 8.3. I think the difference is negligible although Carrier does take double the amount of PIMs. Again - I don't think Nashville would part with Carrier.

1. it would suck but it's the business of it .. right? personally it would suck BUT.. it is what it is. personally i have experienced a fair share of hard things, most of them from when i was 25 and younger - and i came out fine. tough things happen.

2. i don't see Holl sliding onto the 3rd pairing as a selling point one way or another for one deal making more sense than another. brodie could give them 3 pairs, all with a guy that handles shutdown minutes (ekholm/brodie/mcdonagh) - and give them the option of helping mcdonagh after all his mileage and put brodie with him. standout pair in my opinion (mcdonagh had a NTC too but it was business) and i don't think it will deter people signing in tampa

3. i would believe nashville would part with fabbro before carrier as well (perhaps simply based on money) - carrier is personal preference anyhow plus we would get him fresh to negotiated a mid range long term deal. fabbro could end up pricey very fast with a year here. i would probably still do the deal with fabbro instead of carrier

Nylander & Brodie
vs
Tomasino, Fabbro & Granlund

 

[Brobust]

Coyotes:
marner, Kerfoot, Holl, +/-
Leafs:
Schmaltz, Chychrun, Crouse, +/-



Bunting-Matthews-Schmaltz
Crouse-Tavares-Nylander
...

Rielly-Chychrun
Muzzin-Liljegren
Giordano-Brodie
Sandin

We sure love to lose trades over here.

 

[Fogelhund]

I like Tkachuk, but he's going to want stupid money. Like, highest paid winger in the league money. Keith fought for every dollar and his sons do too. We don't need more of that in our locker room.

This is the problem with Tkachuk. There are no signs that anyone in his family is going to take anything but the maximum that they can, and that is their right.

We can barely sign him at $9 mil, and honestly, he's going to be asking for more than $11 million. Even at $9 mil, you've compromised the team quite a bit, or you've moved out a ton of bodies...like Muzzin, Kerfoot and Nylander.

It's really kind of into fantasy land... but if we are going to go all fantasy land...

Nylander, Kerfoot, Holl, Murray, 1st 2023, 1st 2024 for Tkachuk, Markstrom @ 50% and Tanev.

Still have room to sign Stastny at $2.5 mil.