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I just dont see a trade market for holl with somw rhd ufas still there that will likely do a million or less

Probably isnt enough value to trade him in dubas mind to justify cap savings

I could see him moreso a dump in a multi player trade than a single trade
 
hockeywiz542 said:
That list begins with Chicago superstar Patrick Kane. It also includes his teammate Jonathan Toews.
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This was interesting from the Cox article (I can't believe I am saying that). Thanks for posting.

Lots of talk about some team adding Kane, but I haven't really thought about Toews. Could he be a good sleeper deadline target for us? If Chicago retained 50% of what is left on the pro-rated amount for the season I imagine we could fit him in if we accrue some space throughout the year or have someone injured down stretch again.

Obviously it depends on Teow's health and performance this year, but he could be the perfect third line centre for a contender. He is strong on FO, he PKs and PPs and brings that cup winning leadership you want to add for a cup run.

It's a long way away and has a bunch of IFs, it also could have a Foligno type outcome, but I think it is worth filing this away for consideration later.
 
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showtime8 said:
IF you can get a full season out of Muzzin, there's no chance that you trade him. You see his level of importance when it comes to stabilizing play. That's the biggest question mark though. You don't know if you can get a full season out of him. They'll obviously keep in touch with him and have all is medicals. But they need to make a smart decision.

Otherwise, you need an entire new 2nd pair.

I don't think you keep Holl as the 7th dman. I think that you keep Jordie Benn as the 7th dman.
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If you have the cap space keep both Benn and Holl. Injuries happen.
 
justashadowof said:
Slightly off topic but I can't come up with a single reason why a team and a player shouldn't be allowed to sign an extension 2, 3, 4 years ahead of the expiration of the current deal.
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Not sure if anybody else responded to you or not, but I think it's to prevent cap circumvention.

Hey Giroux, we'll sign you to a 3yr deal for 1m/yr and an extension for yr 4 at 15m with the majority of it bonus paid out July 1st.

Would give us a top 6 player for 3 years and then Giroux either retires or we trade his contract to Arizona where they get Giroux for 750k in real money.


Just an example how the Leafs could abuse it. Maybe a better example would've been signing JT to a 1 year deal for max $ (16ish mil) and then a bit more team friendly extension for the other 6 years which would've given us more cap to work with currently.
 
A1LeafNation said:
If you have the cap space keep both Benn and Holl. Injuries happen.
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You're right, injuries do happen, but I think the Leafs need to focus on upgrading their blueline in general.

As it stands right now, the 2nd pairing is likely going to be Muzzin & Holl. The way Keefe likes to deploy his defense is to have 1 "shutdown" pair. And as we've seen for the past 3 years, the Leafs can't count on consistent play from Holl and Muzzin's health.
 
Community said:
Not sure if anybody else responded to you or not, but I think it's to prevent cap circumvention.

Hey Giroux, we'll sign you to a 3yr deal for 1m/yr and an extension for yr 4 at 15m with the majority of it bonus paid out July 1st.

Would give us a top 6 player for 3 years and then Giroux either retires or we trade his contract to Arizona where they get Giroux for 750k in real money.


Just an example how the Leafs could abuse it. Maybe a better example would've been signing JT to a 1 year deal for max $ (16ish mil) and then a bit more team friendly extension for the other 6 years which would've given us more cap to work with currently.
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But the Leafs 100% could have done that within the rules. The problem with that scenario will always be, in 99% of cases, that the player wouldn’t want to assume that risk of delaying their long term payday by a year and potentially getting hurt or hard slumping, costing them significant amounts of money
 
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andora said:
I just dont see a trade market for holl with somw rhd ufas still there that will likely do a million or less

Probably isnt enough value to trade him in dubas mind to justify cap savings

I could see him moreso a dump in a multi player trade than a single trade
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There are 4 UFA RHD's worth talking about: Klingberg, Subban, Stralman, and Stone.

Klingberg is in an entirely different tier and market than Holl. A team may look at Holl if they lose out on Klingberg, but they fill entirely different roles and it would make more sense for losing teams to look at Stralman or Subban instead.

Subban is worse than Holl and probably does not take less than one mill to go most places. He might do it here because he is from here and we are a Cup Contender, but that is about it. Like Klingberg, he kind of fills a different role than a Holl would too.

Stone is a #7 at best. Not comparable to Holl at all, and he only makes sense as a Holl replacement here because if we do use Sandin as Holl's replacement, we actually only need a #7.

Stralman is the only one who can maybe still compare to Holl, but he is old and has had a couple of rough years... And he too is not at the point where he is taking league minimum deals from anyone either.

People need to realize that the Leafs, themselves, see a lot of value in Holl and they do not need to trade him. You do not get guys like him at 2 mill very often, considering he would have easily received a contract north of 3 mill (and possibly even touching 4 mill) if he was on the open market this year.
 
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First Gaudreau, now Tkachuk? Another star is poised to leave Flames

Less than a week after losing Johnny Gaudreau, the Calgary Flames now very much appear on the brink of having to part with Matthew Tkachuk. That’s the most reasonable way to interpret news late Monday that the Flames have filed to take Tkachuk to salary arbitration.
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There was some good news for Flames fans Monday afternoon.

Andrew Mangiapane’s agent, Ritch Winter, said on the Eric Francis Show that the 35-goal scorer is keen to sign for longer than the one year that would walk him to the open market.

“I don’t want to get into the negotiations -- I share Brad (Treliving’s) view that it’s never really healthy for the process -- but I think ultimately to admit that Andrew has submitted a proposal on a multi-year deal tells you he’s quite interested in staying here despite the uncertainty that surrounds Matthew Tkachuk,” said Winter, somewhat ironically.

“Regardless of what happens, Matthew Tkachuk will be replaced by someone in a trade. You may not get a Matthew Tkachuk-type, but you might get an Alex DeBrincat. If Tkachuk is moved, you don’t go from Tkachuk to nobody."

Interesting that he cited DeBrincat, as his arrival in Calgary would mean Tkachuk is Ottawa-bound, to play with brother Brady.

Don't hold your breath.

“Certainly Andrew feels very comfortable with the coaching staff, he likes the management team here, he likes the city, he’s had a good experience," said Winter.

"He said to them he’s quite willing to stay on a longer-term deal.”

Oliver Kylington, Matthew Phillips and Mangiapane have already filed for salary arbitration.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
There are 4 UFA RHD's worth talking about: Klingberg, Subban, Stralman, and Stone.

Klingberg is in an entirely different tier and market than Holl. A team may look at Holl if they lose out on Klingberg, but they fill entirely different roles and it would make more sense for losing teams to look at Stralman or Subban instead.

Subban is worse than Holl and probably does not take less than one mill to go most places. He might do it here because he is from here and we are a Cup Contender, but that is about it. Like Klingberg, he kind of fills a different role than a Holl would too.

Stone is a #7 at best. Not comparable to Holl at all, and he only makes sense as a Holl replacement here because if we do use Sandin as Holl's replacement, we actually only need a #7.

Stralman is the only one who can maybe still compare to Holl, but he is old and has had a couple of rough years... And he too is not at the point where he is taking league minimum deals from anyone either.

People need to realize that the Leafs, themselves, see a lot of value in Holl and they do not need to trade him. You do not get guys like him at 2 mill very often, considering he would have easily received a contract north of 3 mill (and possibly even touching 4 mill) if he was on the open market this year.
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I dont see that much separation between holl and those other three (not even thinking about klingberg)

I have been meaning to look at the other three fancy stats out of curiousity.. but again i dont know what the clear defining aspect separates holl so much

So then if he is potentially a 4 million dollar dman as a free agent he will have trade value then at half the money even if he only has 1 year left

That would be good news
 
TMLeafer said:
What the heck happened in Calgary? Seems sudden after a great regular season...Sutter?
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They have been having issues forever. Remember the Covid season ther didn’t even make the playoffs

There we’re locker room fights after the muzzin puck flip
 
hockeywiz542 said:
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First Gaudreau, now Tkachuk? Another star is poised to leave Flames

Less than a week after losing Johnny Gaudreau, the Calgary Flames now very much appear on the brink of having to part with Matthew Tkachuk. That’s the most reasonable way to interpret news late Monday that the Flames have filed to take Tkachuk to salary arbitration.
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There was some good news for Flames fans Monday afternoon.

Andrew Mangiapane’s agent, Ritch Winter, said on the Eric Francis Show that the 35-goal scorer is keen to sign for longer than the one year that would walk him to the open market.

“I don’t want to get into the negotiations -- I share Brad (Treliving’s) view that it’s never really healthy for the process -- but I think ultimately to admit that Andrew has submitted a proposal on a multi-year deal tells you he’s quite interested in staying here despite the uncertainty that surrounds Matthew Tkachuk,” said Winter, somewhat ironically.

“Regardless of what happens, Matthew Tkachuk will be replaced by someone in a trade. You may not get a Matthew Tkachuk-type, but you might get an Alex DeBrincat. If Tkachuk is moved, you don’t go from Tkachuk to nobody."

Interesting that he cited DeBrincat, as his arrival in Calgary would mean Tkachuk is Ottawa-bound, to play with brother Brady.

Don't hold your breath.

“Certainly Andrew feels very comfortable with the coaching staff, he likes the management team here, he likes the city, he’s had a good experience," said Winter.

"He said to them he’s quite willing to stay on a longer-term deal.”

Oliver Kylington, Matthew Phillips and Mangiapane have already filed for salary arbitration.
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Calgary looks like a team in crisis management mode right now after losing Gaudreau.

Losing Tkachuk would mean a tear down and full rebuild.

Voodoo Child said:
If he takes 9 or less then done.
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Sure. Lets devote $45M to the top 4 forwards! awesome plan.
 
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Its honestly crazy how quiet it is. The lack of movement after 1st day of free agency is surprising.

Barely any trades overall too
 
Voodoo Child said:
If he takes 9 or less then done.
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He will take $9 mil for the one year, then walk to UFA.

He will be seeking $11 mil plus as a UFA.

OVO16 said:
Its honestly crazy how quiet it is. The lack of movement after 1st day of free agency is surprising.

Barely any trades overall too
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It feels like Kadri is holding things up for some reason. Teams otherwise just aren't a rush to do anything.
 
justashadowof said:
Slightly off topic but I can't come up with a single reason why a team and a player shouldn't be allowed to sign an extension 2, 3, 4 years ahead of the expiration of the current deal.
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That's not a legally recognized contract under the CBA, so signing anything before the final year is meaningless.
Amadeus said:
I wonder what's going through Nazem's head right now.
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He's probably still imagining people kissing his ass.
 
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andora said:
I dont see that much separation between holl and those other three (not even thinking about klingberg)

I have been meaning to look at the other three fancy stats out of curiousity.. but again i dont know what the clear defining aspect separates holl so much

So then if he is potentially a 4 million dollar dman as a free agent he will have trade value then at half the money even if he only has 1 year left

That would be good news
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Well Stone hasn't been trusted as more than a #7 for like 4 years now while Holl has been getting top 4 defenseman minutes and has generally been effective as a shutdown guy since Keefe has taken over. I'd say that alone shows there is a pretty big difference between the two.

Subban has seen his minutes cut heavily, and has struggled even with the ones he has been given as a bottom pairing guy in lower leverage situations. Holl may need a strong partner to handle tough situations, but he is at least capable.

Stralman is the one interesting one because he did have big minutes on a really bad team, and predictably he didn't do all that well on that really bad team, but he may still be a solid bottom pairing guy on a good team. That being said, he is 35 and he has shown signs of slowing down to the point where Florida paid a lot to dump him last year despite playing almost 20 minutes a night for them.

Holl is not old. He has handle large minutes. Sure he has had some inconsistency this past year, but a large, 2 mill RHD who is a strong PKer and has shown more often than not that he can handle top 4 minutes is something that we have seen other teams pay premiums to bring in... And people are even clamouring to bring in guys like Scott Mayfield for like first round picks when, in terms of effectiveness, he hasn't been any better than Holl (and for long stretches has even been worse). He is just more physical.
 
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