GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[rocketman588]

That’s why leafs don’t win sh.t

Doesn't really help us. Not like we ever get people to waive NTCs and aren't able to keep a lot of dudes in FA because they're not willing to take big discounts.

As a side note we're way to liberal with trade protection.

Why does Holl have a m-ntc for example was he not going to sign the over pay we gave him without it?

Same with mrazek

 

[Duke16]

For a team that will be rising the fine line of cap compliancy, I think TOR may be downplaying what an Engvall arbitration ruling could look like.

His 2021-22 season actually slots in pretty closely to some players that were gladly handed $3M from their teams.

 

[ULF_55]

For a team that will be rising the fine line of cap compliancy, I think TOR may be downplaying what an Engvall arbitration ruling could look like.

His 2021-22 season actually slots in pretty closely to some players that were gladly handed $3M from their teams.

Without Kerfoot they can do 2.2 on both Sandin and Engvall.

 

[rocketman588]

Without Kerfoot they can do 2.2 on both Sandin and Engvall.

Then you have to get a number 2 LW

Robertson may work but I'd rather not have multiple gambles in one year

You can't gamble on

You're entire bottom 3
Second line LW
Both goalies
1 RHD ( most likely)

And have all those gambles pay off.

If we go 50% that's a good success rate

Last year we did the same

Mrazek
Ritchie

Bad gambles ( we were lucky jack could eat mins even when he wasn't 100%)

Kase
Kampf
Bunting

Great gambles

60% good ratio but you're never going 100%

 

[SprDaVE]

That Marino trade is unfortunate, great get for the Devils. I hope the Leafs were interested.

 

[ULF_55]

Then you have to get a number 2 LW

Robertson may work but I'd rather not have multiple gambles in one year

You can't gamble on

You're entire bottom 3
Second line LW
Both goalies
1 RHD ( most likely)

And have all those gambles pay off.

If we go 50% that's a good success rate

They have enough space, they just have to put a prospect or two into the line up.

If they cannot put a couple prospects, who aren't kids (they are 23-26 years old) then it is too late for this team.

Time to tear it down.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Ignore the other 6 games? You think he had a better game 6... 3 shots, 0 points, 0 hits and attempted the high risk pass/turnover that led to the goal against in OT?

So what is it that you care about, shots on goal or points? Because you seem to be changing the criteria by the post lol.

End of the day all I see is a guy that played around 23 minutes a night in every situation and produced over a point a game.

I point the finger a lot of places before it lands on Marner.

 

[rocketman588]

They have enough space, they just have to put a prospect or two into the line up.

If they cannot put a couple prospect, who aren't kids (they are 23-26 years old) then it is too late for this team.

Time to tear it down.

They have enough space to get the two ufas but I'd argue considering their needs we can't just pay our 7D 2 mil. Mete is a good 7D for example at the cost. We either need to find a place for Rasmus or get rid of him for value. If engvall gets paid in his arbitration this becomes even more of an issue

And yeah that's been my point. I don't think Robertson is good enough and we really have no one else who fits the 2nd line roll unless we really want to burn the bottom 6.

There's a reason we just snagged 8 dudes at league min and it's because a lot of the league didn't have faith in them. We don't seem to really either as the play seems to be to throw em all out and see which ones survive

I think jarnkrok was good business but it's ruined if you have to play him on line two because of how versitile he can be

 

[ULF_55]

So what is it that you care about, shots on goal or points? Because you seem to be changing the criteria by the post lol.

End of the day all I see is a guy that played around 23 minutes a night in every situation and produced over a point a game.

I point the finger a lot of places before it lands on Marner.

Yeah, top 6 did their job.

Needed something other than a couple empty net goals from the rest of the line-up.

Like Tampa did.

 

[Duke16]

Without Kerfoot they can do 2.2 on both Sandin and Engvall.

Every similar aged player in Engvall's production tier makes $3.25 to $4.5M. I think TOR is downplaying this tbh and getting him at closer to 2 goes against what comparables dictate

 

[Antropovsky]

So what is it that you care about, shots on goal or points? Because you seem to be changing the criteria by the post lol.

End of the day all I see is a guy that played around 23 minutes a night in every situation and produced over a point a game.

I point the finger a lot of places before it lands on Marner.

Your just throwing stuff out and hoping it sticks. Explain how I've changed the criteria please.

 

[ULF_55]

They have enough space to get the two ufas but I'd argue considering their needs we can't just pay our 7D 2 mil. Mete is a good 7D for example at the cost. We either need to find a place for Rasmus or get rid of him for value. If engvall gets paid in his arbitration this becomes even more of an issue

And yeah that's been my point. I don't think Robertson is good enough and we really have no one else who fits the 2nd line roll unless we really want to burn the bottom 6.

There's a reason we just snagged 8 dudes at league min and it's because a lot of the league didn't have faith in them. We don't seem to really either as the play seems to be to throw em all out and see which ones survive

I think jarnkrok was good business but it's ruined if you have to play him on line two because of how versitile he can be

That isn't completely true.

For the same money some of them probably had options but how many teams do you get to play with the league's MVP? Or see an opportunity on a line with Tavares and Nylander?

Toronto is a good landing spot for someone signing a 1 year deal hoping to parlay that into a Lyubushkin scenario.

 

[Kurtz]

Then you have to get a number 2 LW

Robertson may work but I'd rather not have multiple gambles in one year

You can't gamble on

You're entire bottom 3
Second line LW
Both goalies
1 RHD ( most likely)

And have all those gambles pay off.

If we go 50% that's a good success rate

Last year we did the same

Mrazek
Ritchie

Bad gambles ( we were lucky jack could eat mins even when he wasn't 100%)

Kase
Kampf
Bunting

Great gambles

60% good ratio but you're never going 100%

Well, if we can't get a bargain on Nino or Kessel, I guess we try Robertson there, then Knies. If that's a no-go, we spend some prospect/pick capital at the deadline.

So several options tbh.

 

[ULF_55]

Every similar aged player in Engvall's production tier makes $3.25 to $4.5M. I think TOR is downplaying this tbh and getting him at closer to 2 goes against what comparables dictate

We will find out.

There are quite a few posters here who would be fine if he walked. Over the season you must have read all the negative comments about him?

They wouldn't be the ones now claiming he is a must keep I hope.

 

[rocketman588]

We have to make some tough decisions regarding Holl sandin and kerfoot

The big thing about those 3 is it's

Guy who won a Calder for dubas( considering his Soo fetish this isn't a small thing)
Last piece of the Naz dea

These types of moves have been the ones he's been able to avoid so far I think he's boxed himself into making at least one

 

[WTFMAN99]

Yeah, top 6 did their job.

Needed something other than a couple empty net goals from the rest of the line-up.

Like Tampa did.

Kampf and Blackwell gave us 3 goals.

Their bottom 6 seemed to have an identity, our bottom 6, specifically the 4th line looked like something duct taped together at the last second.

Your just throwing stuff out and hoping it sticks. Explain how I've changed the criteria please.

He had a point in game 7 but you roasted him for having zero shots

He had 0 points in game 6 but 3 shots on goal...

Maybe you just don't like Marner?

 

[rocketman588]

Well, if we can't get a bargain on Nino or Kessel, I guess we try Robertson there, then Knies. If that's a no-go, we spend some prospect/pick capital at the deadline.

So several options tbh.

Nino is still going to cost 3/4

Kessel will never come back

Knies will he here after the deadline anyways so we have to buy the time until then

The issue isn't availability it's the cost #2 LWs aren't usually cheap

That isn't completely true.

For the same money some of them probably had options but how many teams do you get to play with the league's MVP? Or see an opportunity on a line with Tavares and Nylander?

Toronto is a good landing spot for someone signing a 1 year deal hoping to parlay that into a Lyubushkin scenario.

Yeah I'd agree as well the only issue is what's left that you can reasonably get for like 2 mil

Maybe Milano? Bunting was the perfect combo of cheap and a home run gamble ( he did have good numbers as well and was a better idea at the time then even I gave credit for)

Rodriguez is possibly a similar type of move but I don't think nino for example is possible

 

[Duke16]

We will find out.

There are quite a few posters here who would be fine if he walked. Over the season you must have read all the negative comments about him?

They wouldn't be the ones now claiming he is a must keep I hope.

I would say that trading has rights and then signing Aston-Reese for close to the NAK contract might just be the better move after looking into it.

Lehkonen, Iaffalo, Wennberg, Suter, Johnsson, Pearson, Beauvillier, Dvorak, Compher were the Engvall production tier names and Suter/Pearson are cheapest at $3.25M.

 

[Kurtz]

Nino is still going to cost 3/4

Kessel will never come back

Knies will he here after the deadline anyways so we have to buy the time until then

The issue isn't availability it's the cost #2 LWs aren't usually cheap



Yeah I'd agree as well the only issue is what's left that you can reasonably get for like 2 mil

Maybe Milano? Bunting was the perfect combo of cheap and a home run gamble ( he did have good numbers as well and was a better idea at the time then even I gave credit for)

Rodriguez is possibly a similar type of move but I don't think nino for example is possible

Why wouldn't Kessel come back? He liked it here, and there's no bad blood as far as I know. I doubt he holds a grudge over us trading him to a contender where he went on to win 2 cups.

 

[ULF_55]

I would say that trading has rights and then signing Aston-Reese for close to the NAK contract might just be the better move after looking into it.

Lehkonen, Iaffalo, Wennberg, Suter, Johnsson, Pearson, Beauvillier, Dvorak, Compher were the Engvall production tier names and Suter/Pearson are cheapest at $3.25M.

How many were RFA?

I'd like to keep Engvall, but if they can't fit him in then he's gone.

 

[Dreakmur]

We will find out.

There are quite a few posters here who would be fine if he walked. Over the season you must have read all the negative comments about him?

They wouldn't be the ones now claiming he is a must keep I hope.

He’s a decent player, but I would much rather have an equal player of different style. He serves a purpose, but doesn’t fill a need, so I’d be willing to sign him for at most 2.5.

 

[Burnie97]

That Marino trade is unfortunate, great get for the Devils. I hope the Leafs were interested.

Damn. That sucks.

Good for jersey.

Seems like not much for him.

 

[nuck]

Every similar aged player in Engvall's production tier makes $3.25 to $4.5M. I think TOR is downplaying this tbh and getting him at closer to 2 goes against what comparables dictate

Trade him.

 

[Burnie97]

Trade him.

If Engvall wants anywhere above a 3 ... launch him out of a cannon.

 

[showtime8]

If Engvall wants anywhere above a 3 ... launch him out of a cannon.

We'll need to trade Engvall for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, so they can use it at the deadline to trade for a 35+ year old player. Options this deadline are: Andrew Ladd, Joe Pavelski, Nick Bonino or Jeff Petry lol