GDT: Free Agent Frenzy 2022

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Not without bringing in another Muzzin to replace him.

He's the best matchup D when healthy. Huge loss if he isn't replaced.

I'm pretty torn between the point you made, and on the other hand moving on from an aging injured player on a high cap and being perhaps a little too loyal

 

[Americanadian]

Leafs development camp starts Saturday. I don't think so.

Late July to mid-august is typically GM vacation time, between development camps and arbitration hearings.

I thought it started Monday. That is good to hear - so far we've had at least 1 transaction per day since FA opened so I'm looking forward to that continuing.

 

[kb]

I'm pretty torn between the point you made, and on the other hand moving on from an aging injured player on a high cap and being perhaps a little too loyal

Yeah, I mean, if they bring in someone like Oleksiak to replace, I say sure.

Muzzin still has value that far exceeds future considerations as he's one injury plagued season away from being one of the top shutdown D in the league. The Leafs don't really need to be giving away players for cap space at this point when they can trade others to make room and net a positive return.

Trading away Holl and Kerfoot for picks has pretty much the same effect as moving out Muzzin

 

[rocketman588]

Cap wise I think this is how it looks right now since we have so many league min dudes it's relatively easy at least

Engvall at 1.4 leaves our cap at 0 1.4-700k
Holl adds 2
Kerfoot adds 3.5
Sandin takes away between 700-1.3

So 5.5 mil with no resign of sandin

So we have between 4.8-4.2 if we resign sandin to upgrade both rhd and 2LW

If we choose to run roberston on the second

We'd have 4-3.2 to replace holl

 

[deprw]

I'm pretty torn between the point you made, and on the other hand moving on from an aging injured player on a high cap and being perhaps a little too loyal

We need his player type and he has full NMC, if there is one or two injuries next season he might retire. Last year he has NTC, so If he plays solid season we might be able to trade him for futures. I think if we want to get rid of him we might have to dump him somewhere.

 

[Amadeus]

Had we saved a bit on Marner, JT and after trading Kerfoot and Holl we could have enough for Kadri or Trochek.

 

[rocketman588]

Had we saved a bit on Marner, JT and after trading Kerfoot and Holl we could have enough for Kadri or Trochek.

1 mil off each of the 4 plus kerfoot for jarnkrok = a pretty solid LW

1 off each and move holl is a nice partner for Reilly

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Had we saved a bit on Marner, JT and after trading Kerfoot and Holl we could have enough for Kadri or Trochek.

Easy to say in hindsight. No one could have predicted covid or the NHL having a flat cap when those contracts were signed. If covid never happened we'd be around 90-92M cap.

 

[Mickey Marner]

We basically have 2.4 to sign Engvall and Sandin and that's with a 21-man roster. I think a trade is imminent. Sandin is no longer waiver eligible and keeping him as a #7 doesn't make sense.

 

[rocketman588]

Easy to say in hindsight. No one could have predicted covid or the NHL having a flat cap when those contracts were signed. If covid never happened we'd be around 90-92M cap.

We were cap dumping dudes even before covid.

When you're trying to reset the market then hope that the cap goes up that's your issue. By that note it also couldn't be predicted the NHL would get a great tv contract because espn plus wasn't a thing and it's the sole reason why they paid as much as they did

We gambled on that much like we're gambling on our bottom 6/ goalie situation and possibly Robertson as 2nd line LW

Not every gamble pays off thats why it's a gamble

 

[Amadeus]

I think salaries would have gone up too though with the cap.

 

[Buds17]

If a team was willing to take Muzzin's full contract in return for future considerations, do we do it?

Cap space is all well and good (and probably necessary at this point). However, Muzzin still seems important enough to not offload for such a return. Tough to know what kind of a market exists for Muzzin though considering his full trade veto.

 

[Americanadian]

Easy to say in hindsight. No one could have predicted covid or the NHL having a flat cap when those contracts were signed. If covid never happened we'd be around 90-92M cap.

Sakic must have predicted it when he signed Rantanen to 1.7M less per year than Marner over the same term in the same off season. Yzerman also knew it was coming when he bridged Point at >4M less for 3 less years.

 

[kb]

Yes please, if he's available.....

 

[ULF_55]

Kerfoot:
Player submits a 10 team no trade list.

Holl:
Player submits a 10 team no trade list.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'd be open to signing Subban. He is only 33 (6 years younger than Gio) and seemed to thrive (some would say too much) in a Canadian market. I think he learned his lesson a bit though and isn't quite so over the top anymore. If he came in cheap enough.... he's a right hand shot and plays with a chip on his shoulder. Something the D and Murray needs. He might be motivated to win a cup before his career is over too. Makes our D a bit old... would like to find a way to keep Sandin and get him minutes (Muzzins good for 20-30 games of injury).

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Subban
Giordano liljegren
Sandin

 

[Antropovsky]

Sakic must have predicted it when he signed Rantanen to 1.7M less per year than Marner over the same term in the same off season. Yzerman also knew it was coming when he bridged Point at >4M less for 3 less years.

I truly think Marner thought he was comparable to Matthews and McDavid. He is actually much more comparable to Rantanen and Point than he is McDavid or Matthews.

 

[Brobust]

Had we saved a bit on Marner, JT and after trading Kerfoot and Holl we could have enough for Kadri or Trochek.

If they paid him league min, they could have signed Gaudreau and Forsberg.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If they paid him league min, they could have signed Gaudreau and Forsberg.

If he got 9.5M similar to Kucherov (as a UFA) or more than Leon....it does help and isn't the giant leap to league minimum.

It's a valid point but the discussion has been beaten to death.

 

[Gabriel426]

I truly think Marner thought he was comparable to Matthews and McDavid. He is actually much more comparable to Rantanen and Point than he is McDavid or Matthews.

That’s the thing, it doesn’t matter who the players think they are comparable with, the GM should have come in and said, here is the reasonable amount bc player X is your comparable.

 

[deprw]

Sakic must have predicted it when he signed Rantanen to 1.7M less per year than Marner over the same term in the same off season. Yzerman also knew it was coming when he bridged Point at >4M less for 3 less years.

There isn't single person in a world that could have predicted covid-19. Flat salary cap is one of the least important problem that it brought, if someone knew we could have done so much better job handling all the consequences. In overall there have been more and more money generated by the NHL each year and that means salary cap is raising year by year. Only thing that stalled it was covid and after it went away you can see that same trend continues.

 

[Antropovsky]

If he got 9.5M similar to Kucherov (as a UFA) or more than Leon....it does help and isn't the giant leap to league minimum.

It's a valid point but the discussion has been beaten to death.

The other side of the coin being if he played like an 11 million dollar player in any of the last three series... we win them.

 

[Brobust]

If he got 9.5M similar to Kucherov (as a UFA) or more than Leon....it does help and isn't the giant leap to league minimum.

It's a valid point but the discussion has been beaten to death.

The guy has been 1st team all star two years in a row. He's one of maybe 3 elite 2-way wingers in the NHL and we still bitch about the $1M more he got over Rantanen.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The other side of the coin being if he played like an 11 million dollar player in any of the last three series... we win them.

I thought he was good against Tampa. I blame the lack of help from our bottom 6 the most. Tampa got way more out of theirs.

The guy has been 1st team all star two years in a row. He's one of maybe 3 elite 2-way wingers in the NHL and we still bitch about the $1M more he got over Rantanen.'

A million here and a million there and all of a sudden you're hoping Adam Gaudette is an NHL player for you

 

[deprw]

If he got 9.5M similar to Kucherov (as a UFA) or more than Leon....it does help and isn't the giant leap to league minimum.

It's a valid point but the discussion has been beaten to death.

Yeah, it have been. Kucherov though would have been RFA, but signed long term year early after 100p season and peaked right after that. He didn't have same kind of outburst that Marner had from start of the ELC. First season was 18p and then next two 65p and 66p. Have to also factor in that Tampa discount, which they have lost now, but it was active when they signed Kucherov.

I hope Marner gives at least some leeway to us with his next contract. He got nice deal, if we look this flat cap era. He earned more than he should have had.