GDT: Free Agent Frenzy #2

[NYR Viper]

From the look of it, either buying out Staal or not, this team would have room to add Kruger. He'd be a nice depth center for AV to use in that Boyle/Moore role.

 

[nyr2k2]

Thornton signed yesterday with SJ to a one yet deal I believe.

Yeah for like $6M or something I thought.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Buying out Staal seems like a good idea for this season but the length of the buyout is horrendous. I'm on my phone but can someone calculate the collective dead cap space both Girardi and Staal would hit the team with if both were bought out this offseason?

Hair under $5MM.

 

[darko]

Would love to add a C that can play on 3rd line. Also another 4th line C that is a good PKer. Our PK could be in trouble without Stepan.

 

[darko]

Hair under $5MM.

For this season?

 

[BBKers]

Rangerboy - were you by any chance here visiting in the Vodka Temple last night. Seem to have the same problems with numbers that I have been experiencing today... White Lightening strikes twice?

 

[Vitto79]

Who is a overpriced C that a team would move at 50 like Plekanec?

Not worth 6 but descend bounce back at 3 type

 

[eco's bones]

If Staal is bought out we have almost 15 million.
One million to operate the team
7,5 million max to Fast and Zib
6,5 M to spend

Watch us do this:
4,5 M to Jumbo Joe
2 M to Grigorenko
Max 1,5 M to Tkechov if he impresses in camp (he can replace Fast on LTIR)
Sign Klingberg

Thornton's re-signed with the Sharks and it was for $6.5. Klingberg--I have no interest.

Grigorenko would be a good project. Tkachyov (sp?)--would very much like to see us sign him. Looking at what's left on the free agent market if it's short term/low cost I wouldn't mind adding a gritty guy who can play like Ryan White. Vande Velde comes to mind--he's a center and kills penalties--scores a little and would be cheap. Alex Chiasson?

 

[darko]

Yeah for like $6M or something I thought.

Yeah. It's Marleau that's still a free agent.

 

[BBKers]

Thornton's re-signed with the Sharks and it was for $6.5. Klingberg--I have no interest.

Grigorenko would be a good project. Tkachyov (sp?)--would very much like to see us sign him. Looking at what's left on the free agent market if it's short term/low cost I wouldn't mind adding a gritty guy who can play like Ryan White. Vande Velde comes to mind--he's a center and kills penalties--scores a little and would be cheap. Alex Chiasson?

Missed that

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

For this season?

Yes if Staal is bought out too the combined amount of "dead" cap space is a bit under $5MM. Girardi is $2.6 and Staal is $2.1MM.

 

[BBKers]

Yes if Staal is bought out too the combined amount of "dead" cap space is a bit under $5MM. Girardi is $2.6 and Staal is $2.1MM.

If Beargloves and DeAngelo slot in they will cost around $1,8 M combined the next two years. The buyout costs 4,7 M. Actual savings amount to $4,7 M per year the next two seasons.

 

[darko]

Yes if Staal is bought out too the combined amount of "dead" cap space is a bit under $5MM. Girardi is $2.6 and Staal is $2.1MM.

What about 2018 and so on?

If you can be bothered calculating.

 

[TheKing30]

Whats everyones thoughts on desharnais? Feel like he can be a decent fit if the price is right. Really hope Zbad and Hayes can take their games to the next level so we dont have to worry about getting a high end center at the deadline

 

[eco's bones]

Going by Cap Friendly if we bought out Staal now:

17-18 G (2611) + S (2133) = 4744
18-19 G (3611) + S (2133) = 5744
19-20 G (3611) + S (3133) = 6744
20-21 G (1111) + S (3933) = 5044
21-22 G (1111) + S (1433) = 2544
22-23 G (1111) + S (1433) = 2544
23-24 S (1433)
24-25 S (1433)

If we buy Staal out next summer between Staal and Girardi:

17-18 2611
18-19 5667
19-20 6667
20-21 4967
21-22 2467
22-23 2467
23-24 1356

The loss of cap space from buying out Staal this year to next year is almost negligible in the worst years 18-19, 19-20 and 20-21.

 

[NYR Viper]

What about 2018 and so on?

If you can be bothered calculating.

I'm less concerned with this seasons dead cap number as I am the future. When some of these young players need their 2nd and 3rd deals.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If Beargloves and DeAngelo slot in they will cost around $1,8 M combined the next two years. The buyout costs 4,7 M. Actual savings amount to $4,7 M per year the next two seasons.

Yes dead cap space is a bad word because in this scenario the buyout cost plus the replacement player cost is much lower then keeping the player on the roster.

 

[NYR Viper]

Going by Cap Friendly if we bought out Staal now:

17-18 G (2611) + S (2133) = 4744
18-19 G (3611) + S (2133) = 5744
19-20 G (3611) + S (3133) = 6744
20-21 G (1111) + S (3933) = 5044
21-22 G (1111) + S (1433) = 2544
22-23 G (1111) + S (1433) = 2544
23-24 S (1433)
24-25 S (1433)

If we buy Staal out next summer between Staal and Girardi:

17-18 2611
18-19 5667
19-20 6667
20-21 4967
21-22 2467
22-23 2467
23-24 1356

The loss of cap space from buying out Staal this year to next year is almost negligible in the worst years 18-19, 19-20 and 20-21.

Thanks for doing this. This is exactly what I was looking for.

2018-2021 is going to be difficult for this team.

 

[eco's bones]

Thanks for doing this. This is exactly what I was looking for.

2018-2021 is going to be difficult for this team.

There's no way the Rangers can keep carrying Staal--not if they believe they have more than two NHL players out of DeAngelo, Bereglazov, Graves and Pionk--and I'm thinking they might have 4. Might as well bite the bullet and get it over with IMO.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm less concerned with this seasons dead cap number as I am the future. When some of these young players need their 2nd and 3rd deals.

Problem will be in the 2019-20 season when the replacement players (presumed to be DeAngelo and Bear Gloves) will be coming off their ELCs.

Remember though Girardi and Staals combined cap hit that year is something like $11.2MM. Buyout cost would be the $6.7MM and unless they both become superstars their second contracts should still be less or at the worst about the same as to what the combined Staal/Girardi contracts sold be if they were still playing.

Rangers are still better off buying them both out, even with the worst case season in 2019-20.

 

[NYR Viper]

There's no way the Rangers can keep carrying Staal--not if they believe they have more than two NHL players out of DeAngelo, Bereglazov, Graves and Pionk--and I'm thinking they might have 4. Might as well bite the bullet and get it over with IMO.

I'm not against it, but it's a scary thought down the road.

 

[NYR Viper]

Problem will be in the 2019-20 season when the replacement players (presumed to be DeAngelo and Bear Gloves) will be coming off their ELCs.

Remember though Girardi and Staals combined cap hit that year is something like $11.2MM. Buyout cost would be the $6.7MM and unless they both become superstars their second contracts should still be less or at the worst about the same as to what the combined Staal/Girardi contracts sold be if they were still playing.

Rangers are still better off buying them both out, even with the worst case season in 2019-20.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Buch is that year as well I believe?

 

[darko]

Going by Cap Friendly if we bought out Staal now:

17-18 G (2611) + S (2133) = 4744
18-19 G (3611) + S (2133) = 5744
19-20 G (3611) + S (3133) = 6744
20-21 G (1111) + S (3933) = 5044
21-22 G (1111) + S (1433) = 2544
22-23 G (1111) + S (1433) = 2544
23-24 S (1433)
24-25 S (1433)

If we buy Staal out next summer between Staal and Girardi:

17-18 2611
18-19 5667
19-20 6667
20-21 4967
21-22 2467
22-23 2467
23-24 1356

The loss of cap space from buying out Staal this year to next year is almost negligible in the worst years 18-19, 19-20 and 20-21.

18-19, 19-20, 20-21 is a hard pill to swallow.

Thanks for doing that.

 

[BBKers]

What about 2018 and so on?

If you can be bothered calculating.

Here you are, Sir...

[table="head;width=4200]SEASON | PENALTY CAP M STAAL | PENALTY CAP D GIRARDI |TOTAL CAP PENALTY | CONTRACTS| SAVINGS/COST
2017-18 | $2,133,333 | $2,611,111 |$4,744,444 |$11,200,000 | $6,455,556
2018-19 | $2,133,333 | $3,611,111 | $5,744,444 | $11,200,000 | $5,455,556
2019-20 | $3,133,333 | $3,611,111 | $6,744,444 | $11,200,000 | $4,455,556
2020-21 | $3,933,333 | $1,111,111 | $5,044,444 | $5,700,000 | $655,556
2021-22 | $1,433,333 | $1,111,111 | $2,544,444 | 0 | -$2,544,444
2022-23 | $1,433,333 | $1,111,111 | $2,544,444 | 0 | -$2,544,444
2023-24 | $1,433,333 | 0 | $1,433,333 | 0 | -$1,433,333
2024-25 | $1,433,333 | 0 | $1,433,333 | 0 | -$1,433,333[/table]

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Exactly my thoughts as well. Buch is that year as well I believe?

Yes but what I was trying to say is that the Rangers would be in the same spot or worse if they still had both Staal and Girardi on the roster.

The way I broke it down even at the worst year (2019-20) it's not that bad compared to the alternative.