GDT: Free Agent Frenzy #2

[BBKers]

Ecos bones beat me to it I see. But mine was purtier ...

 

[darko]

Yes but what I was trying to say is that the Rangers would be in the same spot or worse if they still had both Staal and Girardi on the roster.

The way I broke it down even at the worst year (2019-20) it's not that bad compared to the alternative.

Not necessarily.

If we keep Staal this year and next it'd get bit more manageable (i believe).

 

[kovazub94]

Problem will be in the 2019-20 season when the replacement players (presumed to be DeAngelo and Bear Gloves) will be coming off their ELCs.

Remember though Girardi and Staals combined cap hit that year is something like $11.2MM. Buyout cost would be the $6.7MM and unless they both become superstars their second contracts should still be less or at the worst about the same as to what the combined Staal/Girardi contracts sold be if they were still playing.

Rangers are still better off buying them both out, even with the worst case season in 2019-20.

FO just gave $11m to Shattenkirk and Smith. Skjei and McD will need new contracts. IMHO the Rangers need to keep trading for lesser term bad contracts. G got signed. Staal has some hockey value. Eventually someone should bite.

 

[darko]

Ecos bones beat me to it I see. But mine was purtier ...

Thanks to both.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Agreed at this point that you just bite the bullet and do it now if you do decide to buyout Staal.

I do think, however, that they must have some hope of moving him in a deal, otherwise why not buy him out at the same time they did Girardi?

I mean, I honestly can't see them keeping him to play the 3rd pair at $5.7MM, especially since the buyout doesn't really change next summer. (And if that was the plan, better to keep G, who actually looked decent in the playoffs and had the less onerous contract, and instead cut Staal up front.)

 

[NYR Viper]

Someone on the main boards brought up Stephane Da Costa. Anyone remember him from his time in Ottawa? Went to Merrimack in the NCAA. 27 year old RH center who has played in the KHL the past few seasons. Apparently he has interest in coming back to the NHL. Maybe an option as a depth center here?

Someone mentioned Klingberg. He would be a decent option as well on a cheap contract. 4C.

John Mitchell is still a UFA.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yes but what I was trying to say is that the Rangers would be in the same spot or worse if they still had both Staal and Girardi on the roster.

The way I broke it down even at the worst year (2019-20) it's not that bad compared to the alternative.

I definitely can't argue that keeping the players is better. However would paying someone to take them be better?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

FO just gave $11m to Shattenkirk and Smith. Skjei and McD will need new contracts. IMHO the Rangers need to keep trading for lesser term bad contracts. G got signed. Staal has some hockey value. Eventually someone should bite.

G got signed for only 2 years. No one was taking Girardi for 4 years even with money retained. Same is likely the case with Staal if they have to buy him out.

 

[BBKers]

I definitely can't argue that keeping the players is better. However would paying someone to take them be better?

If we find a taker for Staal we need to consider:

What - if anything - do we retain?
What do we need to add?
What are we getting back (robbing Peter to pay Paul?)?

 

[Black Tank]

Buyout Staal. Let's take the pain and move on with a lesson learned. More of Callahan and less of Girardi and Staal from now on.

 

[Savant]

Rangers need to fill out their rosters with penalty killers at this stage. Besides the obvious top six center, that is what they are missing.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I definitely can't argue that keeping the players is better. However would paying someone to take them be better?

I think the problem with trying to trade them is that no one wants them for 4 years even with retained money or an asset going back with them. Think that was the case with Girardi and could likely be the case with Staal.

Also with the Rangers prospect depth issues I don't think paying a team with an asset that would be required is in the cards.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

G got signed for only 2 years. No one was taking Girardi for 4 years even with money retained. Same is likely the case with Staal if they have to buy him out.

Would've been only 3 years for G. It was close. My guess is that the cost to move him wasn't worth saving the $1MM per year in the last three years since the penalty during the first three is roughly equivalent to retaining 50% of his salary.

 

[BBKers]

I think the problem with trying to trade them is that no one wants them for 4 years even with retained money or an asset going back with them. Think that was the case with Girardi and could likely be the case with Staal.

Also with the Rangers prospect depth issues I don't think paying a team with an asset that would be required is in the cards.

Valid point. Try with McPhee though. Seems gullible

 

[darko]

Rangers need to fill out their rosters with penalty killers at this stage. Besides the obvious top six center, that is what they are missing.

We aren't getting a top-6 C. Not this season anyways IMO. Hayes followed by Miller will be given every opportunity to establish themselves.

 

[darko]

Buyout Staal. Let's take the pain and move on with a lesson learned. More of Callahan and less of Girardi and Staal from now on.

It's a pricey lesson.

 

[NYR Viper]

I keep coming back to Dustin Brown.

The Rangers seem to have a newfound glut of NHL ready defense prospects. The spot created by moving Staal is actually the larger reasons for me right now to want him to be moved or bought out.

I know Brown has an extra year on his contract, would LA hold say $500k per year? They just lost McNabb. Defensive LD.

Brown would actually fill a role on this team even though he is overpaid. Play him for a few years and then look to see if a buyout makes sense.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

It's a pricey lesson.

I think Gorton learned it already with the deals he's been giving out, but has to pay for Sather's mistakes unfortunately.

 

[eco's bones]

Holden put up 34 points last year--playing most of it on the wrong side. He's a better player and much cheaper option than Staal and I'm not entirely against moving him either but I wouldn't do it just so a lesser and much more expensive player has a spot.

Smith or Holden (if he stays) can go back to playing on the left side. At least two natural righties (Shattenkirk and DeAngelo) slot in on the right side. It's more manageable not just cap wise but ice surface wise--younger player wise and skill wise.

Gorton must know all this and that when he signed Shattenkirk that Staal was going to have to go.

 

[Savant]

We aren't getting a top-6 C. Not this season anyways IMO. Hayes followed by Miller will be given every opportunity to establish themselves.

Risky move to make, and better to be proactive than to have to chase one later. With the rest of the team settled now is a very good time to make a move even if it costs Miller or Buchnevich. The rest of the team screams win now especially with McDonagh's looming extension and the buy out hits of Girardi and possibly Staal moving forward.

 

[NYR Viper]

Holden put up 34 points last year--playing most of it on the wrong side. He's a better player and much cheaper option than Staal and I'm not entirely against moving him either but I wouldn't do it just so a lesser and much more expensive player has a spot.

Smith or Holden (if he stays) can go back to playing on the left side. At least two natural righties (Shattenkirk and DeAngelo) slot in on the right side. It's more manageable not just cap wise but ice surface wise--younger player wise and skill wise.

Gorton must know all this and that when he signed Shattenkirk that Staal was going to have to go.

I think the only problem with this is that if Bereglazov has made it clear that it's NHL or KHL then what? Not sure the Rangers want DeAngelo in the AHL. And then there's Pionk.

 

[Savant]

I keep coming back to Dustin Brown.

The Rangers seem to have a newfound glut of NHL ready defense prospects. The spot created by moving Staal is actually the larger reasons for me right now to want him to be moved or bought out.

I know Brown has an extra year on his contract, would LA hold say $500k per year? They just lost McNabb. Defensive LD.

Brown would actually fill a role on this team even though he is overpaid. Play him for a few years and then look to see if a buyout makes sense.

Too much term. Can't eat that. Would rather hope Staal returns to form.

 

[Savant]

I think the only problem with this is that if Bereglazov has made it clear that it's NHL or KHL then what? Not sure the Rangers want DeAngelo in the AHL. And then there's Pionk.

Bereglazov makes roster as 7 D with Staal and DeAngelonboth having short leashes. Pionk can wait.

 

[Siddi]

I keep coming back to Dustin Brown.

The Rangers seem to have a newfound glut of NHL ready defense prospects. The spot created by moving Staal is actually the larger reasons for me right now to want him to be moved or bought out.

I know Brown has an extra year on his contract, would LA hold say $500k per year? They just lost McNabb. Defensive LD.

Brown would actually fill a role on this team even though he is overpaid. Play him for a few years and then look to see if a buyout makes sense.

With all due respect, but **** Brown! I dont want that whiny dirty POS on my team.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It's a pricey lesson.

It's more costly to stunt the development of the young Dmen Gorton has amassed because of the short-sided tendencies this coach has reagarding Staal. The buyout is mitigated by having ELCs during the time of the highest hits, as well as having one of you top 4 Dmen probably on a bridge contract.