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saskriders said:
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If Tkachuck becomes available and the cap goes up enough do you do this (in 2024-25). Sanderson and Pinto would need bridges. Formenton and Joseph trades.
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No. This would be a cap nightmare for next season, don’t think you can make it work with a limit of 83.5. I also don’t think that defense is good enough, there’s a grand total of zero playoff games in there and not enough size or physicality. And we’re already over the cap without our depth forwards and defence. You would also have a hard time keeping anyone after their ELCs at that rate.

This would hurt us more than it helps us. As fun as it would be to have two Tkachuks, we already acquired our winger in DeBrincat, and honestly family ties aside I think he’s the better fit.
 
Qward said:
Chychrun gives us an opportunity to unload Zaitsev at the same time.
Cant do that with Girard.
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Is there recent info from the Coyotes that this is the case? It seems like many teams have the same thing in mind, but Arizona will not have the capacity to keep taking cap dumps at some point. They already have a boatload of picks in the next drafts.
 
saskriders said:
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If Tkachuck becomes available and the cap goes up enough do you do this (in 2024-25). Sanderson and Pinto would need bridges. Formenton and Joseph trades.
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The only way Matthew becomes a Senator at this point is if DeBrincat won't sign an extension and is traded next off-season and Matthew makes it to UFA and agrees to sign here.

Zero chance they can fit both guys and Giroux in.
 
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PlayOn said:
No. This would be a cap nightmare for next season, don’t think you can make it work with a limit of 83.5. I also don’t think that defense is good enough, there’s a grand total of zero playoff games in there and not enough size or physicality. And we’re already over the cap without our depth forwards and defence. You would also have a hard time keeping anyone after their ELCs at that rate.

This would hurt us more than it helps us. As fun as it would be to have two Tkachuks, we already acquired our winger in DeBrincat, and honestly family ties aside I think he’s the better fit.
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I agree the cap is tight, and that there is a gamble that one of Thompson/JBD/Bränström can become a top 4 guy and Soogard is NHL ready. One thing to keep in mind though is that the cap wouldn't be 83.5 in two years. We don't know what it will be. I think that this would be more of a trade deadline deal or free agency signing though. I think you'd need to have Stützle and DeBrincat extended so you are more in the know of how much space you have to play.
 
Next year we move Cat and get MTkachuk and we win the cup. Brady and Matthew will raise the cup together. Just my gut feeling

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Hale The Villain said:
If we actually manage to acquire a top 4 D and then have to dump cap to fit him in, it would be far smarter to deal Hamonic away if a team is willing to take him on for free or at little cost instead of trading multiple quality assets to dump Zaitsev.

Hamonic is better but in the 6th D role it shouldn't matter a whole lot. Especially since we could just scratch Zaitsev and play Brannstrom/Thomson/JBD (whoever performs best) if Zaitsev continues to suck.
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I was thinking along the same line. Harmonic is actually owed more real dollars this year.

I know for a fact Dorion was determined to move Zaitsev this off-season and upgrade the position so I’m wondering if we are trying to wait out Arizona to get a better price on Chykrun.
 
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PD needs to call Seattle ASAP and try to get one of Larsson or Oleksiak.

Both would likely cost less than Chychrun to acquire.
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I think PD is solely focused on Chykrun and may just wait out Arizona even if it drags well into the season.
 
I'm wondering if teams and players are in a bit of a "Mexican standoff" right now. Also, not totally sure that term is still politically correct.

1. Klingberg and Kadri are waiting for teams they WANT to sign with to clear cap space.
2. Teams with cap issues are waiting on deals to sign Klingberg/Kadri
3. Teams with cap space are HOPING to sign Klingberg and Kadri when teams can't clear cap
4. Teams with roster holes are trying to get good deals on trades

Basically everyone is staring at everyone else waiting for someone to pull a trigger
 
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JackieDaytona said:
I'm starting to come around on the idea that we shouldn't do anything to shore up D this offseason. If we're going to spend assets to upgrade D (short term) let's do it when we're poised for playoff picture, and have a solid understanding of what we have right now (so like earliest at the TDL or next offseason).

It's going to be tough keeping all the current pieces, so adding more means something will have to be shipped out.

I'd rather shore up our coaching staff, bring in someone who is strong at instilling defensive structure, and think more about defense as a whole team (or expect our high flying top 6 to have the puck all the time to avoid playing as much in our own end - both DeBrincat and Giroux are great forechecking players) and run with what we have on D. Zaitsev can serve as resrves for injuries, and we can see where JBD and Thomson are throughout the year, along with giving Brannstrom a shot to show how he's come along (I'm a supporter, I know not everyone is). Maybe our D is not as far off as we think, especially with a lot of improvements up front? Maybe I'm just overly optimistic after the past couple of weeks.
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Agreed.

I desperately want a legit top 4 RD, but if there isn't a good trade to be made, then it's better to stand pat.

It's not the end of the world to let a couple kids battle it out and see where they're at. But...it is a bit of a worry considering Cat isn't signed for very long. Then again, we don't even know what the long-term plans are in the organization with him, either.
 
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My only worry about waiting is that the RHD market could get worse, not better:

1. As a season progresses, players get injured.
2. Some teams will fall off the playoff pace, if the wrong teams do, it limits options, not improves them.
3. Losing a season if we start poorly could be very detrimental to keeping Debrincat and finally making some progress on the rebuild.
 
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Big Muddy said:
Is there recent info from the Coyotes that this is the case? It seems like many teams have the same thing in mind, but Arizona will not have the capacity to keep taking cap dumps at some point. They already have a boatload of picks in the next drafts.
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gotta reach the floor somehow
 
Getting a guy with no term leaves us in the same spot next summer when they go UFA...and we lose Zub too, with less assets that we sold off for that "Weegar" type of guy.

Wouldn't mind selling futures to Seatle for Larsson like Brannstrom + JBD/Thomson + 2nd.

Probably doesn't affect our future much, as Team doesn't see either of those guys they're trading as a contributing piece, and a 2nd's a 2nd.

Ultimately will hold my breath for a 3-way with Arizona, either with Florida or even with Seattle for Weegar or Chychrun.

To Arizona: Brannstrom + C. Fleury + OTT '24 2nd + SEA '23 2nd; for Chychrun
To Ottawa: Larsson; for Brannstrom + '24 2nd
To Seattle: Chychrun; for Larsson + '23 2nd + Cale Fleury

Going to say no to M. Tkachuk, and definitely not to him being more paid than Brady.
 
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League wide there is currently about 190M in cap space available. This does not include LTIR, nor does it include QOs which haven’t been signed.

Almost half the space belongs to Anaheim, Arizona, Buffalo and Calgary. About 92M of the 190M.

EDIT: approximately 90M is tied up in unsigned QOs. So 100M in cap space league wide before LTIR. Cap space is a huge asset.
 
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IranCondraAffair said:
I'm wondering if teams and players are in a bit of a "Mexican standoff" right now. Also, not totally sure that term is still politically correct.

1. Klingberg and Kadri are waiting for teams they WANT to sign with to clear cap space.
2. Teams with cap issues are waiting on deals to sign Klingberg/Kadri
3. Teams with cap space are HOPING to sign Klingberg and Kadri when teams can't clear cap
4. Teams with roster holes are trying to get good deals on trades

Basically everyone is staring at everyone else waiting for someone to pull a trigger
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Probably.
 
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playasRus said:
Getting a guy with no term leaves us in the same spot next summer when they go UFA...and we lose Zub too, with less assets that we sold off for that "Weegar" type of guy.

Wouldn't mind selling futures to Seatle for Larsson like Brannstrom + JBD/Thomson + 2nd.

Probably doesn't affect our future much, as Team doesn't see either of those guys they're trading as a contributing piece, and a 2nd's a 2nd.

Ultimately will hold my breath for a 3-way with Arizona, either with Florida or even with Seattle for Weegar or Chychrun.

To Arizona: Brannstrom + C. Fleury + OTT '24 2nd + SEA '23 2nd; for Chychrun
To Ottawa: Larsson; for Brannstrom + '24 2nd
To Seattle: Chychrun; for Larsson + '23 2nd + Cale Fleury

Going to say no to M. Tkachuk, and definitely not to him being more paid than Brady.
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i would do a basis for this if seattle takes zaistev as well. Would suck losing Bran and one of JBD/Thomson but would solidify our defense

Chabot-Zub/Larsson
Sanderson-Larsson/Zub
Holden-Hamonic

Could make heatherington our #7 dman at the nhl level or sign someone if we have the room in our budget
 
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I want nothing to do with Klingberg.

+/- is not a good indicator of things but the parity between him and other good defensive d's is too notable to ignore.

We need a pillar alongside Sanderson or Chabot, nothing like Klingberg.
 
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I truly believe we can get Chychrun without including Greig or Pinto.

2024 1st
Boucher/Ostapchuk
Thomson/JBD
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Zaitsev

Or we can use the assets above to pry a solid defender from another team in a cap crunch or needing cap flexibility.
 
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The question isn’t is Tavares a good player - he is.

The question is do you want John Tavares and his $11 million Cap hit and his 14 total playoff points and his two seasons at -7 and -8 (on a 115 point team) on your roster - NO THANKS

Who needs a playoff choker that bad?
 
Cosmix said:
I hope not. We need an upgrade on Zaitsev, Hamonic, & Holden, plus we need to jettison the $3-$4M salary to afford a better D'man.
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We don't need to upgrade on H guys, just to need to have them slotted correctly.

Big YES to salary dump
 
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