GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G

[GCK]

If Weegar won't re-sign, there's no real point in going after him.

If Colorado is truly getting rid of Girard, what would you guys give up for him? We could obviously send them Holden in the deal to free up room and open cap space for them which is what they'll need.

Chabot Zub
Girard Hamonic
Sanderson Zaitsev
Brannstrom - Thomson

We'd still be under budget. It would open up the necessity of dumping Zaitsev next season (of this season hopefully) and could make re-signing Zub challenging. That said, Girard has experience on the right side, so it wouldn't necessarily cripple us if we lose Zub.

Thoughts?

Zero interest in Girard.

 

[Sens Vader]

Chychrun or Klingberg at this point

both have pros and cons

 

[Wondercarrot]

delete

 

[cudi]

what does Randy Timmins think tho?

 

[HSF]

Girard would be a no brainer since he wouldnt be as expensive as he should be to acquire

 

[Laphroaig]

Maybe I'm just being impatient but I think we may all have to come to grips with another season of Nikita Zaitsev in Ottawa. There are many more teams than just the Sens trying to move contracts and not finding any takers. It's starting to look like the cost of moving him out would be more painful than keeping him. Is it too late to buy him out?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Just play brannstrom if you're in to that sorta thing

Brannstrom is tiers below Girard. Not even in the same stratosphere in quality.

It's like saying just play Zaitsev instead of Zub because both are 6'2 Russian defensive RDs.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Girard would be a no brainer since he wouldnt be as expensive as he should be to acquire

Colorado usually wants a kings ransom

 

[HSF]

Colorado usually wants a kings ransom

if they have to clear cap to get Kadri then probably won't be

 

[Bevans]

Brannstrom is tiers below Girard. Not even in the same stratosphere in quality.

It's like saying just play Zaitsev instead of Zub because both are 6'2 Russian defensive RDs.

They're the same style, shot, and build.

Girard costs way more in terms of both assets and salary.

It makes way more sense to let brannstrom sink or swim than spend all the capital on Girard.

As for your zub vs zaitsev example. Zub was free and it wasn't either or. There was room for both.

If we can't factor in size, shot, style, salary, or asset cost, what's left? Can we only consider who is goodest?

 

[Golden_Jet]

if they have to clear cap to get Kadri then probably won't be

Partially agree, but also need to sign MacKinnon, that’s their bigger worry.

 

[guyzeur]

Burrowsaurus said a thing and I said I can confirm the thing.

I don't understand how this can be confusing.

Weegar doesn't want to re-sign in Ottawa.


Being an insider is thankless work!

Good thing I only went to high-school with one NHLer.

I think most of us did. I went to school with Claude Verret to name one and probably a couple more Claude Verret - Wikipedia

 

[Hale The Villain]

Partially agree, but also need to sign MacKinnon, that’s their bigger worry.

Johnson and Compher come off the books next year and that'll free up 9.5M.

Should be enough to give MacKinnon a raise and bridge Byram and Newhook.

 

[Qward]

Chychrun gives us an opportunity to unload Zaitsev at the same time.
Cant do that with Girard.

 

[guyzeur]

Chychrun gives us an opportunity to unload Zaitsev at the same time.
Cant do that with Girard.

is giving Zat, a 1st, a 2nd, a top and a B prospects worth 3 years of JC?

I have no opinion, I'm just curious

 

[Hale The Villain]

Chychrun gives us an opportunity to unload Zaitsev at the same time.
Cant do that with Girard.

Not sure why that would need to be done in a single deal.

If Girard costs a lot less just trade for him and then package a couple 2nds to dump Zaitsev to a 3rd team.

 

[singabba kowatix]

Three way trade, OTT-TOR-CHI:

OTT-TOR: Future Considerations for Holl, Kerfoot and '23 first
OTT-CHI: Zaitsev and '23 first (TOR) for Future Considerations

Net for Ottawa is Zaitsev for Holl and Kerfoot (2.5M salary this season vs. 2.75M for the ex-Leafs)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Could totally random Twitter profiles saying they “heard” we were close on klingberg. Total bs but it’s off season and I will report anything I see

 

[Tuna99]

Leafs fans are so nervous of the Sens right now, they have seen this team understaffed but they see the fight in the core player, and they are nervous. They know their core isn’t up for a fight versus Brady and his team; they know their window is closing and they know they dont have the heart to do it.

What a time to be a Sens fan: divisional playoff format and Leafs nation is all psychological vulnerable and the team is there ready for the biggest insult it can’t comprehend - playoff defeat at the hands of the Senators, Leafs nation not recognizing Sens nation has been through hell and emerged with a skin so thick even Phil Kessel couldn’t bite through it on his hungriest day.

Bring on the Leafs - they will be our first course of the season

 

[IranCondraAffair]

If we do get to the playoffs, I want the Leafs in the first round.

I feel like, if you punch them in the face Game 1, they'll fold. Even if you're down 3-1, I feel like you can come back against the Leafs more than most teams. Maybe it is wrong, but it feels like they're lost so many times that it doesn't matter how behind you get, their previous incompetence gives you the faith that you'll pull through.

They are building their team using math and spreadsheets to fill the holes around the roster. Which is fine, but it seems like they have nowhere on their excel spreadsheet for grit. It is virtually impossible to acquire it. As someone who watched the Sens in the 1990's and 2000's can tell you. You either build it or trade for it.

The Leafs are mentally weak, as a team. Until that core changes, I give them Zero chance of winning anything. There is something rotten there.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If we do get to the playoffs, I want the Leafs in the first round.

I feel like, if you punch them in the face Game 1, they'll fold. Even if you're down 3-1, I feel like you can come back against the Leafs more than most teams. Maybe it is wrong, but it feels like they're lost so many times that it doesn't matter how behind you get, their previous incompetence gives you the faith that you'll pull through.

They are building their team using math and spreadsheets to fill the holes around the roster. Which is fine, but it seems like they have nowhere on their excel spreadsheet for grit. It is virtually impossible to acquire it. As someone who watched the Sens in the 1990's and 2000's can tell you. You either build it or trade for it.

The Leafs are mentally weak, as a team. Until that core changes, I give them Zero chance of winning anything. There is something rotten there.

They’re not as analytic heavy as you are making them out to be. They tied their money up in a few guys

They brought in foligno for a first which the analytics guys hated.

Basically been their only big move because of the money issue

 

[IranCondraAffair]

They’re not as analytic heavy as you are making them out to be. They tied their money up in a few guys

They brought in foligno for a first which the analytics guys hated.

Basically been their only big move because of the money issue

I meant more on the player development end. You can't just trade for Nick at the deadline to give your team some jam. They need to be on the team for years. They need to bring along guys through leadership. It isn't even about skill, it is about dressing room stuff.

You need to trade guys like Marner for someone who isn't as good, but has more jam. They also never should have signed Pajama boy, but that's a whole other issue. Matthews, Nylander, Reily, and Marner was soft enough. Adding more softness to it was even worse.

 

[GCK]

Three way trade, OTT-TOR-CHI:

OTT-TOR: Future Considerations for Holl, Kerfoot and '23 first
OTT-CHI: Zaitsev and '23 first (TOR) for Future Considerations

Net for Ottawa is Zaitsev for Holl and Kerfoot (2.5M salary this season vs. 2.75M for the ex-Leafs)

Holl and Kerfoot are easily moveable. Both have no term left past this year which is a plus, Kerfoot is only owed 750K. I would expect they good probably easily get a 2nd + for him. To put Kerfoot in context compare him to Brown

Cap hit 3.6 Brown - 3.5 Kerfoot so it’s a wash.

Dollars 750K Kerfoot - 4M Brown so big advantage over Brown

They are both responsible players, both kill penalties and both have some offence.

Now Holl could be waived and someone would likely claim him. Depth RD with size making 2M with a 2M cap hit

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Ottawa was out-scored 15-10 with Brannstrom on ice, Chabot not dressed last season. (Zaitsev was +13/-13 with Chabot out for ref.)

Puts him at +15/-21 in games where both dressed.

See, nerd stats.

No one is saying he's a #1 or 2 dman, but if you actually watched the games you would have seen he was the best dman we had on the ice regularly. Saying his season was "grim" or however you described it is proof you weren't indeed watching the games. The kid is improving and can certainly become a good 2nd pairing guy playing on a decent team.

 

[Senscore]

If we do get to the playoffs, I want the Leafs in the first round.

I feel like, if you punch them in the face Game 1, they'll fold. Even if you're down 3-1, I feel like you can come back against the Leafs more than most teams. Maybe it is wrong, but it feels like they're lost so many times that it doesn't matter how behind you get, their previous incompetence gives you the faith that you'll pull through.

They are building their team using math and spreadsheets to fill the holes around the roster. Which is fine, but it seems like they have nowhere on their excel spreadsheet for grit. It is virtually impossible to acquire it. As someone who watched the Sens in the 1990's and 2000's can tell you. You either build it or trade for it.

The Leafs are mentally weak, as a team. Until that core changes, I give them Zero chance of winning anything. There is something rotten there.

Glove high boys, glove high.


Realistically they're probably more worried about that goaltending tandem. Going from Andersen, to Campbell, and now the last two years of the Matthews deal on Murray and Samsonsov.

They just keep downgrading out of panic, not to mention losing the other pieces they have. And now they'll lose someone like Kerfoot or Muzzin. Window isn't as big as it once was.