GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G

[SpezDispenser]

Oh yeah....nick paul. Seems like a lifetime ago.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

Tierney for 750k/450k two way is a nice low risk low reward pickup for Florida.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Lol, Tierney and the word reward in the same sentence... does not compute.

 

[SENStastic]

Ugh this seems so dumb, he is still very young at a reasonable price. If you don't like the term, you could always flip him back a couple years down the road to recoup assets. Term is no way a good excuse not to go for him if he is the last missing piece we desperately need now to be a legit playoff team. Jeez.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Ugh this seems so dumb, he is still very young at a reasonable price. If you don't like the term, you could always flip him back a couple years down the road to recoup assets. Term is no way a good excuse not to go for him if he is the last missing piece we desperately need now to be a legit playoff team. Jeez.

Not so dumb if you think JBD can be close as good for a fraction of the price.

Defensive specialists are tough to give top assets for.

 

[GWNR]

Not so dumb if you think JBD can be close as good for a fraction of the price.

Defensive specialists are tough to give top assets for.

Gotta think they have a guy/guys they believe in within the org.

Klngberg on a 2 year deal would be a really nice stopgap.

 

[Tuna99]

Cody Ceci since leaving the Sens

+7 (Leafs)
+18 (Pitt)
+8 (Oil)

 

[JD1]

Ugh this seems so dumb, he is still very young at a reasonable price. If you don't like the term, you could always flip him back a couple years down the road to recoup assets. Term is no way a good excuse not to go for him if he is the last missing piece we desperately need now to be a legit playoff team. Jeez.

So why were the Penguins actively trying to move him then? If the term and AAV on a RD defenceman were that attractive, why are they moving him? Idk much about the player, but I have to think that Marino signed to that term/AAV wasn't attractive to Pittsburgh. Why would it be attractive to us? We've got 3 guys signed and 2 in the oven nearly baked.

 

[Blotto71]

Seattle Kraken have Larsson, Oleksiak, Dunn, Soucy are guys I would take from them. They would probably take Zaitsev back also. They need prospect and picks and we may be able to get one of them without giving up some of our top prospects.

Larsson would be great in the top 4 - 3yrs at $4m, RD. He would provide a good comparable for Zub's next contract. Hamonic would be gone next year, making room for one of JBD/Thomson (with the other likely going back in the deal). Dorion has done his job making the Sens a desirable team to be with, I hope he'll flex and not let NTC's deter him from chasing guys like Larsson (or Oleksiak).

 

[JD1]

Been thinking about our chances of making the playoffs and the big three in the Atlantic

Florida now has White and Tierney
Toronto has Murray

The teams above us have our castoffs. Hmmm. Are we really that far away from playing with the big boys?

 

[SENStastic]

Not so dumb if you think JBD can be close as good for a fraction of the price.

Defensive specialists are tough to give top assets for.

I'm thinking along the same lines. My big concern however is that Zub might not resign, and neither of Lassi or JBD might not be good enough to fill in as dependable top 4 D-men by end of next season. That would be a night mare scenario. That's why having someone like Marino with term good to shield us from that real possibility.

However, I think the team seems to be higher on Lassi going forward, not sure where JBD stands as of now, but I don't think either will become solid top 4 Dman next season, and may not be ready the following either.

If we go this year with:
Chabot-Zub
Sand-Ham
Bran-holden
Lassi

and then the following year:
Chabot- Zub (if resigned)
Sand-Lassi
Bran-Holden/Ham/UFA
JBD

It might workout, but way too many question marks for me, and given our forward group coming into its own as soon as this season, I'd rather the defence corp be much more solidified and less shaky in order to compete. Too many question marks on the back end for my liking giving how much we've improved all our other deficiencies. Marino would be a good addition even if he is viewed as a stop gap until one of our own prospects can handle the role, you can always flip him, a top 4 RD is always coveted, especially under terms and reasonable cost. I don't see much downside but a lot of benefits to acquiring him. It made a lot of sense.

So why were the Penguins actively trying to move him then? If the term and AAV on a RD defenceman were that attractive, why are they moving him? Idk much about the player, but I have to think that Marino signed to that term/AAV wasn't attractive to Pittsburgh. Why would it be attractive to us? We've got 3 guys signed and 2 in the oven nearly baked.

Cause they decided to upgrade on him with Petry it seems.

 

[JD1]

I'm thinking along the same lines. My big concern however is that Zub might not resign, and neither of Lassi or JBD might not be good enough to fill in as dependable top 4 D-men by end of next season. That would be a night mare scenario. That's why having someone like Marino with term good to shield us from that real possibility.

However, I think the team seems to be higher on Lassi going forward, not sure where JBD stands as of now, but I don't think either will become solid top 4 Dman next season, and may not be ready the following either.

If we go this year with:
Chabot-Zub
Sand-Ham
Bran-holden
Lassi

and then the following year:
Chabot- Zub (if resigned)
Sand-Lassi
Bran-Holden/Ham/UFA
JBD

It might workout, but way too many question marks for me, and given our forward group coming into its own as soon as this season, I'd rather the defence corp be much more solidified and less shaky in order to compete. Too many question marks on the back end for my liking giving how much we've improved all our other deficiencies. Marino would be a good addition even if he is viewed as a stop gap until one of our own prospects can handle the role, you can always flip him, a top 4 RD is always coveted, especially under terms and reasonable cost. I don't see much downside but a lot of benefits to acquiring him. It made a lot of sense.


Cause they decided to upgrade on him with Petry it seems.

Upgrading by acquiring a 34 year old guy with an AAV that is 2+m higher seems risky if you're comfortable with Marino in the first place.

My point was why are they moving out a 25 year old signed RD. The only thing I can come up with is they are not comfortable with him in that role

 

[GCK]

Not that I necessarily agree with passing on Marino, but by year 3 of Marino’s contract, one of our 3 D prospects, I’m including Brannstrom, will likely be just as good or better than Marino at a far lower AAV which will be critical for our cap. Marino is a nice player and would be a definite upgrade but he’s not Weeger or Chykrun.

 

[JD1]

Not that I necessarily agree with passing on Marino, but by year 3 of Marino’s contract, one of our 3 D prospects, I’m including Brannstrom, will likely be just as good or better than Marino at a far lower AAV which will be critical for our cap. Marino is a nice player and would be a definite upgrade but he’s not Weeger or Chykrun.

He also has a limited NTC in two years that limits the return. We can't pay top dollar for that knowing he might be a two year stop gap and we'll get a compromised return in two years. Compromised by our own cap issues and by his NTC.

 

[SENStastic]

Upgrading by acquiring a 34 year old guy with an AAV that is 2+m higher seems risky if you're comfortable with Marino in the first place.

My point was why are they moving out a 25 year old signed RD. The only thing I can come up with is they are not comfortable with him in that role

Pens are going for it now. They know their window is closing in the next couple years. Aside from the bad season Petry had last year, where he was allegedly disgruntled and wanted out of Montreal, he's still a top pairing Dman, and yes, a decent upgrade on Marino, who had to be moved to bring Petry in. Having top 2RDs in Letang and Petry for the next couple years makes them more competitive now.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

live footage of Dorion

 

[Silencio]

Might sound like sour grapes, but out of the "big 3" defensemen that Ottawa has been linked to in trade talks, Marino was the one I wanted least. I have a lot more confidence in Dorion to find a good solution to the missing RD piece than I did 2 weeks ago, thats for sure.

 

[GCK]

If we resign Zub this summer to any kind of term then I’m good going with another stop gap for this season. Take the year to see how Sanderson JBD Thomson and Brannstrom.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Not so dumb if you think JBD can be close as good for a fraction of the price.

Defensive specialists are tough to give top assets for.

Yeah but they want someone with 3 year term. Does that mean they think jbd will be ready in 3 years? These good right shot d will still be tradeable in 3 years.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think a lot depends on the evaluation of Thomson & JBD. If their development is nearly complete, and could be ready for regular roster duty before the end of the year, that's one thing. If they are not sure whether Thomson/JBD can graduate, or if they think it will take another 2 (or 2+) years, that's a completely different situation.

If its the latter, I don't think the term of the contract for the defender we would acquire is such a big deal if its a decent RD that doesn't have a horrible contract. RDs like that are tough to acquire, and it's taken teams years to acquire them and to address that need in the past. So, I think there's going to be a market and it wouldn't be hard to move them in a trade when the time comes for that. And, what is also both very interesting and relevant is that in this buyers' market, prices seem to be quite low.

What I think complicates matters even more would be the departure of Zub. The issue magnifies considerably if he was to leave.

 

[aragorn]

Yeah but they want someone with 3 year term. Does that mean they think jbd will be ready in 3 years? These good right shot d will still be tradeable in 3 years.

Holden LD is 35 yrs old & a UFA who I doubt they re-sign after this yr & could likely retire. Hamonic RD is 31 yrs old & also a UFA who may or may not get re-signed depending on how he plays this season. Zaitsev RD is 30 yrs old with two more yrs who they are trying to move out. That's two RD & one LD who could all be moved out by the end of the yr.

Sanderson LD should at some point this yr be playing in Ottawa & Brannstrom LD is already here. They have two RDs in Bellevile with Thomson & JBD who are almost NHL ready & several other good young defencemen coming within the next few yrs. Kleven LD will likely leave school after this season, Roger RD will likely be going back to junior for another yr & signing Hamara so quickly is interesting, they must think has good potential too. They will soon have a lot of options on defence after this yr.

 

[Cosmix]

Thought this was interesting: The #FlaPanthers signed 28 y/o F Chris Tierney to 1 year deal NHL 750K Minors 450K.

Quite consistent with most evaluations of Tierney's level of play the last couple of seasons.

Gotta think they have a guy/guys they believe in within the org.

Klngberg on a 2 year deal would be a really nice stopgap.

I doubt that Klingberg would sign for 2 years.

 

[Pancakes Pancakes]

Thought this was interesting: The #FlaPanthers signed 28 y/o F Chris Tierney to 1 year deal NHL 750K Minors 450K.

Quite consistent with most evaluations of Tierney's level of play the last couple of seasons.


I doubt that Klingberg would sign for 2 years.

Probably a reason he hasn't signed yet, he's not getting offered anything much better. Or maybe he has, but from the Buffaloes or Arizona's and he isn't interested in playing for a bottom feeder. (it's fun to say that and know the Sens aren't one of them anymore. )

 

[Cosmix]

Hopefully Dorion can dump Zaitsev with one or more low value draft picks in order to free up salary to sign Klingberg. That might be better than giving up some of our better prospects and #1 future picks to get Chychrun.

 

[GWNR]

I doubt that Klingberg would sign for 2 years.

Ya I agree. Wishful thinking