GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[HSF]

If you want to move a 2023 1st, Greig + another high quality asset for Chychrun you could get him. I think that’s a massive overpayment myself.

Depends on whats out there and what has been out there. If Marino wasn't obtained cause of his contract length then that is a swing and miss by Dorion

 

[Ice-Tray]

our defense is the same as last season except for Sanderson who is still recovering from injury lmao

We don't really know what the other holes are on the roster. A partner for Chabot has been a need for the past 4 years and every year dorion has cycled through different guys. This isn't a one year problem. It needs to be fixed.

No, our defence is the same as what we ended up with, which was much better from goaltending out than what we started with.

Big difference.

Zub is a good partner for Chabby, he plays on a different line to spread out the talent in D. Now we have 3 top 4 (Sanderson) which allows Zub to play with Chabby, while Either Hamonic or Holden can steady the rookie.

Then we have Branstrom and either Hamonic or Holden. That’s all without either Lassi or JBD outplaying a vet for a spot, or any other additions we may make.

No, our D is a LOT better than what we started the season with, you know, the actual part where our D was really bad last year. Our goaltending has also been upgraded.

 

[Golden_Jet]

our defense is the same as last season except for Sanderson who is still recovering from injury lmao

We don't really know what the other holes are on the roster. A partner for Chabot has been a need for the past 4 years and every year dorion has cycled through different guys. This isn't a one year problem. It needs to be fixed.

We just had the best off season, better than most imagined, no need to overpay. Keep taking steps.

 

[SlapJack]

Depends on whats out there and what has been out there. If Marino wasn't obtained cause of his contract length then that is a swing and miss by Dorion

Or maybe they just didn't want Marino at all.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Depends on whats out there and what has been out there. If Marino wasn't obtained cause of his contract length then that is a swing and miss by Dorion

Only in your mind is it a swing and a miss.

It’s understandable that we may not want to commit to a guy that long at that price for that game. Is he much better than Lassi is right now for example?

Some of you are so used to a budget team that you no longer consider cap implications going forward. We really don’t want guys like Marino that could end up like Zaitsev, and now that we have added Cat, Talbot and G, we really can afford to be a bit patient.

Let camp play out and let’s see what we have in our two young RD. I’m comfortable now to do that given our offseason moves.

 

[HSF]

Or maybe they just didn't want Marino at all.

Its almost sept and Dorion is in a corner with Chychrun

they made their own bed. Lots of good defensemen have moved in the last 3 years. Saying you won't pay a big price for Chychrun is fine but we made our bed by getting to this point

Only in your mind is it a swing and a miss.

It’s understandable that we may not want to commit to a guy that long at that price for that game. Is he much better than Lassi is right now for example?

Some of you are so used to a budget team that you no longer consider cap implications going forward. We really don’t want guys like Marino that could end up like Zaitsev, and now that we have added Cat, Talbot and G, we really can afford to be a bit patient.

Let camp play out and let’s see what we have in our two young RD. I’m comfortable now to do that given our offseason moves.

is Marino much better than Lassi right now? Absolutely.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I don't see why it's contentious to say that the team has been significantly improved at the front-end but not the back-end. If the offence succeeds and is lights-out, that's on Dorion and he deserves the praise. But if the back-end fizzles and is a liability, that's also on Dorion for not addressing it enough.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Its almost sept and Dorion is in a corner with Chychrun

they made their own bed. Lots of good defensemen have moved in the last 3 years. Saying you won't pay a big price for Chychrun is fine but we made our bed by getting to this point


is Marino much better than Lassi right now? Absolutely.

You have such a negative perspective on things lol!

Dorion isn’t in a corner, that’s such a weird take. Being in a corner would indicate that he’s out of options with Arizona. From what we’ve heard, no one likes the ask from Arizona, us included, and the current rumour is that we have simply walked away. You know, the same thing you do in a store when you don’t want to pay the price for an item.

That’s about the exact opposite of being in a corner.

I do understand that you have created an off-season circumstance whereby if PD doesn’t get a top 4 D, it will be a huge disappointment. So in the end the only ‘corner’ PD is in is with you. But then again, PD is always in the corner with you so nothing new really.

You’re right that we have patently built our team or ‘made our bed’ over the last 3 years, and it looks great. The only hole we have right now is a #4 RD, and we have two kids ready to push before we need to make a move. We can afford to be patient right now, which is why we aren’t in a corner, and we don’t have to over pay.

It’s a sweet comfy bed dude.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Steve Lloyd basicat said forget about chychrun. Things can obviously change but as of now, he ain’t coming

Unsurprising.

It sounds like Arizona is trying to get a king's ransom for him and while he is a good dman he isn't that good that he should get a Karlsson-like return even if he is currently under contract for another three (?) seasons.

The pressure is on Arizona: Chychrun has an NTC that kicks in next summer and Arizona are the ones who desperately need to get better fast. We really need help on D but our roster should already be quite a bit better than last season. It makes much more sense to see if JBD/Thomson can make the jump to permanent NHL players than to overpay in a big way for a LD when we need a RD.

Odds are good that if we can land Chychrun, the right time for us to make such a deal is right before his NTC kicks in, not now. Let Arizona continue to suck in an empty university arena, they are more likely to blink than we are.

Unless we get off to another awful start, all bets are off if that happens again...

 

[Ice-Tray]

Its almost sept and Dorion is in a corner with Chychrun

they made their own bed. Lots of good defensemen have moved in the last 3 years. Saying you won't pay a big price for Chychrun is fine but we made our bed by getting to this point


is Marino much better than Lassi right now? Absolutely.

Come back after camp, you don’t know what Lassi is right now, or JBD for that matter. You’re jumping the gun here. All of your current criticisms all hinge on something bad happening in the future.

We’re adding Sanderson and Talbot to the back end, that’s significant.

 

[GCK]

Depends on whats out there and what has been out there. If Marino wasn't obtained cause of his contract length then that is a swing and miss by Dorion

How is that a swing and miss. We don’t know why Dorion didn’t get in on Marino but it sure seems we are targeting a D with more offensive upside.

 

[Silencio]

I think this is Dorion learning his lesson from the Duchene trade and being willing to walk away from a deal even when it's for a player he's been coveting for a while.

Gut feeling, but I think calling Arizona's bluff ends up working, they'll circle back with a more reasonable ask, and the Chchyrun trade gets done just before camp opens.

 

[Micklebot]

finding a defensemen mid season is hard and pricey

lets stop making excuses. If the defense fails again without any change its on Dorion

Did the defense really fail? We had a brutal start to the year, but in the final 60 after we got everyone back from the Covid outbreak, the team was 15th in 5v5 GA/60 and 15th in all strength raw GA. There is certainly room for improvement, I don't discount that, but those first 20 games are what tanked the season, and we had Mete, MDZ, and J.Brown playing. We've already imo significantly upgraded that D with Brannstrom (he only played 2 games in the opening 20) Hamonic and Sanderson.

So if we look at the final 62 games as a more accurate representation of last year's Team, and consider that we've upgraded the D with the addition of Sanderson, and a full season of Hamonic (Brannstrom played most of the final 62 so he isn't being considered as an upgrade over that stretch), I'm pretty confident we can get by with what we have. If JBD or Thomson are good enough to bump Zaitsev out of the lineup, even better.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

We were told Marino's term was too long for the team. I'm not sure why that may be but I don't have a lot of experience doing budgetary forecasts for NHL teams.

We are going to be increasing our spending for the next few years, it doesn't sound that ridiculous that we didn't feel comfortable with Marino's term; Pittsburgh didn't want him and they are in win-now mode, he probably isn't that good (even if he probably was an improvement on what we have).

 

[HSF]

You have such a negative perspective on things lol!

Dorion isn’t in a corner, that’s such a weird take. Being in a corner would indicate that he’s out of options with Arizona. From what we’ve heard, no one likes the ask from Arizona, us included, and the current rumour is that we have simply walked away. You know, the same thing you do in a store when you don’t want to pay the price for an item.

That’s about the exact opposite of being in a corner.

I do understand that you have created an off-season circumstance whereby if PD doesn’t get a top 4 D, it will be a huge disappointment. So in the end the only ‘corner’ PD is in is with you. But then again, PD is always in the corner with you so nothing new really.

You’re right that we have patently built our team or ‘made our bed’ over the last 3 years, and it looks great. The only hole we have right now is a #4 RD, and we have two kids ready to push before we need to make a move. We can afford to be patient right now, which is why we aren’t in a corner, and we don’t have to over pay.

It’s a sweet comfy bed dude.

Negative Positive it doesn't matter. This team has had a poor defense for a while and it needs to be fixed

 

[GCK]

Negative Positive it doesn't matter. This team has had a poor defense for a while and it needs to be fixed

The D is much improved over the start of last season. Adding another top 4 D would be great but let’s not pretend we are still rolling out Mete, Brown, Del Zotto

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[HSF]

The D is much improved over the start of last season. Adding another top 4 D would be great but let’s not pretend we are still rolling out Mete, Brown, Del Zotto

Pretty low bar for improvement when you list 3 bottom pairing guys who got moved out. The Sens need talent in the top 4.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Negative Positive it doesn't matter. This team has had a poor defense for a while and it needs to be fixed

Sure, but much of the fixing has already happened. Mete and Brown gone, Zaitsev playing the fewest minutes, Murray gone.

We have one spot open right now as a #4 guy, and we have two kids and potentially some PTO’s and whatever the waiver wire throws out.

I agree that we need that spot filled properly, but we’re pretty far from the start of last season in terms of quality on the back end.

 

[Ice-Tray]

We were told Marino's term was too long for the team. I'm not sure why that may be but I don't have a lot of experience doing budgetary forecasts for NHL teams.

We are going to be increasing our spending for the next few years, it doesn't sound that ridiculous that we didn't feel comfortable with Marino's term; Pittsburgh didn't want him and they are in win-now mode, he probably isn't that good (even if he probably was an improvement on what we have).

It should be remembered that we have a much higher level of insight into the Pens roster at the moment than most.

Perhaps our new AGM was less than enthused about banking on him.

 

[Micklebot]

Pretty low bar for improvement when you list 3 bottom pairing guys who got moved out. The Sens need talent in the top 4.

Sanderson is that talent. Look at historical comparables, they pretty much all jump in as top 4 d.

 

[HSF]

Sanderson is that talent. Look at historical comparables, they pretty much all jump in as top 4 d.

maybe. He's also missed a lot of time and has only just started training for the season due to injury

Makes a lot more sense to get a top 4 D and if Sanderson works out then we are set for a run

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Sens fans probably just have PTSD from all those Karlsson years penciling in bust after bust like Cowen, Rundblad & Wiercioch.

I would love an upgrade like JC, but not if we're being ripped off. Will be a shame if the D ends up being an issue, but there's enough options to be optimistic someone will grab the opportunity.

 

[HSF]

Sens fans probably just have PTSD from all those Karlsson years penciling in bust after bust like Cowen, Rundblad & Wiercioch.

I would love an upgrade like JC, but not if we're being ripped off. Will be a shame if the D ends up being an issue, but there's enough options to be optimistic someone will grab the opportunity.

yup and there have been decent defensemen moved for a good price the last few years. Ottawa just keeps putting crap beside Chabot outside of Zub who is used to anchor the 2nd pair

 

[JD1]

Depends on whats out there and what has been out there. If Marino wasn't obtained cause of his contract length then that is a swing and miss by Dorion

I don't think so at all

I think that's an evaluation that Marino isn't what we need